Thugster wrote:Wow..im actually impressed ben. Glad to see you're not trying to pin whatever problems on the nlsc..and treating it as a global thing. However, elitist ideals were here when i joined this site..and this is how it has always been...i dont think its a problem. The NLSC seems just about as active now as it has ever been.
That's the problem. No one sees a problem. The fact is we are held back by this and other issues. Look at the NHL, look at FIFA. They sell less than Live but are leagues ahead of us. Even Madden who should be ahead, is farther ahead. It's not that things aren't good, it's that they aren't as good as they could be. I see the elitist ideals as holding us back, because we are often thinking only we know what's best. I mean, look at what you said in this very thread again: "how people are dealt with here at the NLSC is the business of the community leaders...and them only"
Thugster wrote:Also, i may not have the right to speak for Andrew..but mabe...just mabe if you didn't make snide dictatorship remarks he might consider unblocking you?
Hey, hey, hey, not dictatorship. Communist State. And he blocked me before I started making these comparisons, that was only in the last month or so.
Thugster wrote:I'll re-iterate, while it may be a nice idea to let the community vote on who should be mod..and who should be deleted..its just not how things are done. I can't name one website community that does that
Last I checked, Apolyton did it. Elitehackers used to do it under the old webmaster.
Thugster wrote:As im sure with your website...you being the "editor in cheif"..you make the final decisions. I doubt you get the whole community involved in every decision you make there.
I try to get them involved in the majority of the decisions. The rest I put to the staff, which is a dozen or so people. Me and Kq often disagree, me and David, me and Tony, me and Dmit. The final decision legally rests with me, Dmit and Dr. Seth. I usually talk it over with all of them and if they have qualms with something I either accomidate or don't do it. We tried our representatives and it worked. Unfortunately they have had time constraints so we've been in recess on decisions. We will probably have to vote to remake the members of that group, especially with user expansion. I want to give everything over to the community, they aren't there yet, and most of them are here on NLSC so that can present a problem. Yes, I have final say but if it's overwhelmingly supported then I will approve it even if I don't like it. So far that hasn't happened too much. The way it is isn't how I want it to be though, I want it to change. Especially since I'm not a good decision maker because I doubt everything too much.
Thugster wrote:I'm human..which is obvious...and im prone to mistakes as a mod. I might make partial comments and decisions...i admit all of this.
I'm not saying that's wrong, what I wanted to know is what was being done regarding a few issues. I don't think moderators shouldn't be unbiased, they can be biased, I didn't even make that a provision in the Constitution of nbalive.org Forum. I stressed that favoritism exists and does not get punishment. I did that because I want the moderators to be subject to the users, so if they're doing things people don't like, they will lose their job because of the majority, not a minority.
Thugster wrote:None the less, i've been around this community long enough to know that being too strict, cocky etc...only brings you down in the eyes of the entire community.
I hope enforcement of the rules doesn't bring you down in our eyes. That's a problem if it does.
Thugster wrote:but i just fail to see why this needs to be put vote or why the community has to get involved.
Thug, read what you write. You say I'm implying a "dictatorship", but you are when you say stuff like that. I know what you mean, but the ay you say it is just...gah...it gets under my skin. I mean "the affairs of the state are of no concern to the proletariat" sounds very similar to that to me and probably others.
David wrote:But that is beside the point.. I don't know why Benji is bothering with all of this.. I tried a while ago but it fell on deaf ears... now I don't care... I guess Benji still cares ... good luck Ben...
Well. I need something to care about anymore, and this is something that I can actually influence so it's worthwhile, IMO, to spend a little time on this Grand Experiment.
More Thugster wrote:people dont usually take anyone seriously who come at them with hostility.
Tell that to Howard Dean.
Thugster still wrote:Also, I post on live.org but only in the announcement forum where patches are announced..so excuse my igorance about the constitution and what not.
Excused.
Psycho Jackal wrote:Constitution post?? Is it a country you people are running or a simple Internet Forum
Most organizations have a Constitution of some form under some name. Unions have them. Countries have them, States have them, local governments have them, cities have them. The NLSC has one, but it's called simply "The Rules." The reason I changed the name from Rules to Constitution was because I had expanded it beyond just the rules and into some semblance of a governmental body for the Forum. A document that describes how things are run, that isn't just rules. I chose Constitution because it's a word all Americans and most people in the world recognize as the most important document that exists. Excluding religious texts of course.
Is it a country you people are running or a simple Internet Forum