How important Trainings are?

by **gx_slim** on Wed Nov 19, 2003 11:40 am

In all my experience so far with training camp, all it does is lower most of the stats for a player. It's the most ridiculous thing I've seen in my life. The best thing to do is to skip training camp and never train anyone. Apparently this was just a random excuse to include more fancy graphics that they can sell to the laymen for money. Kudos on another fine point, EA!

by **Seonadancing** on Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:46 am

I read from one of the topics that if you don't trian your players they will not improve the next season, unlike previous Lives when it was automatic every season.

by **Cudacke** on Fri Nov 21, 2003 10:30 am

Seonadancing wrote:I read from one of the topics that if you don't trian your players they will not improve the next season, unlike previous Lives when it was automatic every season.

that's not true. From my 18 simed season experience, a player such as Y. Ming can develop into a 99 for couple of seasons without any training.

by **Seonadancing** on Tue Nov 25, 2003 11:41 pm

That's great news then.

by **R-Tistic** on Sat Nov 29, 2003 2:22 pm

yeah it sucks, it lowers most players stats instead of making them better. They just used it to make the game sound better but its terrrrrrrrrrrible.

by **no.47** on Sat Nov 29, 2003 2:57 pm

what seems to work for me is to distribute 55 on the area you want to improve on then 15 on the rest so that they would maintain rather than losing points on those areas

by **fgrep15** on Sat Nov 29, 2003 4:32 pm

the training camp isn't meant to drastically improve players just basically to get them back in playing shape

by **R-Tistic** on Sun Nov 30, 2003 7:58 am

fgrep15 wrote:the training camp isn't meant to drastically improve players just basically to get them back in playing shape

But does it even do that? Makin field goals go from 59-60 is not even a lil bit noticeable.

by **FanOfAll** on Sun Nov 30, 2003 2:55 pm

no.47 wrote:what seems to work for me is to distribute 55 on the area you want to improve on then 15 on the rest so that they would maintain rather than losing points on those areas

I've found that to work as well

. EA needs to fix its algortihm! (sp)

by **flixotide** on Tue Dec 02, 2003 6:15 am

total waste of space in the game..

If that function cost me 50 cents of the 39.95, I want those 50 cents back.. NOW!

WTF were they thinking when they developed it... even total holes in the ground lose ability during the camp....

EA, eat my facial for that one!

by **flixotide** on Tue Dec 02, 2003 6:21 am

anyway.. seriously..

if I were them I'd raise the price to 5000 DP, and then make a plus only algorithm.

At least then it'd be harder to develop the player stats, but give the training session a meaning.

Flix

by **Mark.** on Tue Dec 02, 2003 9:26 am

There is actually a way to fix it you just have to edit some dbf's

by **no.47** on Tue Dec 02, 2003 10:56 pm

match_66 wrote:There is actually a way to fix it you just have to edit some dbf's

what's a dbf? is that for pc players only?

by **flixotide** on Wed Dec 03, 2003 2:56 am

match_66 wrote:There is actually a way to fix it you just have to edit some dbf's

thats a very helpful post my friend..

Would you care to elaborate on that?

Thanks

Flix

by **The Duke** on Wed Dec 03, 2003 4:47 am

on the pc you can jus edit the training files and WHAM your training will be very improved

by **Mikelaker** on Thu Dec 04, 2003 12:08 am

I'd like to have a slight different opinion...
It is annoying to have some parameters MINUS after doing training, yet the filed I am intended to train does improve a bit.
To take an example, I give 3 times of training to Lebrown James, weighing 60-70% each time in shooting category.
It's sad seeing minimal improvement in shooting each of the first 2 times (only 1 point and even 0) and -1 from defence things.
To my surprise, if I invest on one particular player several times, things more pleasant appear....on my 4th training on Lebrown, 3 point shooting is up by 3 points!
It may sound unrealistic or still sucks to many gamers here, and I also love seeing a more signif improvement in ratings each time I spend those precious pointss, yet I live with it happily since it always brings surprises after each training investment! (including PLUS and MINUS items)
And to me, training the whole team with 'REBOUNDING FOR ONE WHOLE SEASON' does have significant impact on improving rebounding in my game!
Try saving 7200 and invest this item; see if my case can be repeated in your game?

by **celticslegend33** on Thu Dec 04, 2003 6:00 pm

no.47 wrote:what seems to work for me is to distribute 55 on the area you want to improve on then 15 on the rest so that they would maintain rather than losing points on those areas

I tried this last night. A couple of members like no.47 says this would work but to me, it didn't.

Let me get this straight, I put 55points on my conditioning and then the rest will be given 15points each - no minus in shooting, offense, and defence?

It wouldn't work! Or do I have to keep trying until it works?

by **no.47** on Thu Dec 04, 2003 7:29 pm

celticslegend33 wrote:
no.47 wrote:what seems to work for me is to distribute 55 on the area you want to improve on then 15 on the rest so that they would maintain rather than losing points on those areas

I tried this last night. A couple of members like no.47 says this would work but to me, it didn't.

Let me get this straight, I put 55points on my conditioning and then the rest will be given 15points each - no minus in shooting, offense, and defence?

It wouldn't work! Or do I have to keep trying until it works?

from my experience, conditioning is an area that hardly improves any. don't know why. I guess its just for the off season.

by **flixotide** on Fri Dec 05, 2003 4:01 am

If I sum things up, I will go pay 800 for a solo session.. say, three times with a game or so in between.

So, I give 2400, my player loses a total of 12-17 points in other categories and gains 3-5 in the category I train him..

Whats wrong with the picture?

I can do this with pros, with rookies, with young players, old players.. the thing sucks yellow snow!

The whole locker-room, training etc. thing is better, but those values are not permanent..

Flix

by **celticslegend33** on Sat Dec 06, 2003 12:01 pm

no.47,

I've tried the others as well. I still couldn't get them to train their offense, defense, shooting without losing points in other areas.

Are you sure about the 55-15-15-15 point distribution? I've tried it for about 10 times, randomly, with no luck whatsoever.

Has anybody had any luck with this trainings? Personally, I don't think it's worth the Dynasty Points. I'd rather have the Plane and Locker Room benefit rather than train them only to lose more ratings.

On the other hand, I would understand if EA will try to 'lower' a player's ratings if he's aging (or injured in practice). That'd be reasonable, not while he's a rookie or reaching his peak.

by **no.47** on Mon Dec 08, 2003 2:31 pm

it works for me. It won't get their over all ranking up right away, but it'll increase atleast one point on a certain area with out losiong points on others. this is on the ps2, i don't know if that's how it is on pc. buying a plane or a locker is a also a good idea but it's only forone season.

by **celticslegend33** on Tue Dec 09, 2003 7:05 pm

I'm playing the PC version. Maybe they've fixed it before releasing it for the PC version.

Dang!

by **Metsis** on Thu Dec 11, 2003 10:20 pm

Fitness numbers have always been very rigid in NBA Live games... And it has always sucked, cause you can't make a good player out a guy who is slow and unathletic, cause there simply is no way to improve his athleticism.

I don't know why they haven't fixed it here. I would think if you lock your underpowered power forward into the weight room, he would atleast gain a little strength. There are things that can be done in real life.

I see the reasoning here, that the players are already athletic etc. when they come to the league, which is again true in real life. But when you get a rookie guard with speed 35 you don't have anything you can do with that. Why aren't the created rookies athletically gifted when they come out of the random generator just like real rookies? I've always said that the rookies have too low scores in their athletic abilities, and the fact that these abilities do not change too much over time really makes it even more apparent, that the rookie athletic abilities need to be higher. So that with time and training you can make a basketball player out of a rookie. It it just frustrating seeing a super-star guy who is slow like molasses! There has never been such a player in the history of basket ball. All the best guys in the league have been at least mediocre in athleticism, but usually they have been the tops of their time... Larry Bird wasn't too athletic, but I can't think of anyone else who has been the one of the top dogs in the league... Bird was phenominal in almost all the other areas though...

Take Shaq for example... There is no other center in the league that would compare even close to him. He is easily the biggest, baddest and surprisingly fastest center in the league! And no one can argue with that.

In general the stat increases need to be more generous toward all the stats or the basis for improvement (rookies) need to be better.

I don't think I ever kept a second round pick in Live 2003... I hope it is not the same with 2004...

by **Filipino_Kid** on Mon Dec 22, 2003 5:42 pm

The Duke wrote:on the pc you can jus edit the training files and WHAM your training will be very improved

can you pls tell me how and where is that file located? i know ive read it here in the forum but i cant find it anymore.

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