Fixing the broken bridge...

[wicked waway]

Jae's stated in the past several times that he doesn't hate Filipinos in general. So have the majority of the NLSC population for that matter. They know that not all Filipinos are crazy spammers as seen with the general liking for shadowgrin and me. Which is how we've managed to ignore the thousand of Pinoy insults.

[shadowgrin]

Which is how we've managed to ignore the thousand of Pinoy insults.

"Managed" to ignore? It hurts me deep inside Null, everytime I read a post like that. It still hurts.

wicked waway, it's good that you made a thread to address this sort of thing, unlike some Pinoys like Null and me.
Maybe because we've been to disillusioned to address this, because the type of Pinoys that everybody despises just keeps coming in droves in the past to make our point reach across the members, so we just lost hope I guess.
This thread of yours is a good start.

[Null17]

Actually, a while ago I would've made a thread like this but then opted not to as everytime I try to be a liaison between warring parties I end up the one being attacked. And of course, as mentioned, there are Pinoy spammers that lurk up that end up going against your cause. But yeah I've given up a long time ago and just post from time to time and ignore the racist comments. Anyway, I've had enough seriousness for now. This is thread is a good start. Hopefully, this won't be the end.

[Indy]

NLSC forum is the only one of the big forums that I know (I'm not familiar with all that many,10-15) where harsh language, rude remarks and obviously racist posts are something that happens on regular basis... i was very surprised that mods sometimes encourage such behavior or even participate on their own

You're such a pussy.

[BadWolf]

and the biggest motherfucker in the world

[air gordon]

hey man- i'm filipino

even if a lot of those guys were idiots, i think it's natural for a filipino to be bothered about the perception of "pinoys"

[benji]

American Psycho is an amazing black comedy. Try "Ravenous" it's another.

And my entire reason for posting in this thread:

NLSC forum is the only one of the big forums that I know (I'm not familiar with all that many,10-15) where harsh language, rude remarks and obviously racist posts are something that happens on regular basis... i was very surprised that mods sometimes encourage such behavior or even participate on their own

Therefore the NLSC is closest to being the most democratic forum, which I know of.

I'm sorry, but my anal-ness (and the fact that I'm reading so much on political theory and systems right now, it's all I can think about) requires me to quibble. That's not democratic and there's nothing democratic about the NLSC.

At first, I just left that, and I realized that some people are going to take it the wrong way and think I'm attacking them.

Democracy is a system of government, not a political theory. Democracy is where majority of all rules and everyone has a vote. One could argue that the NLSC is a Republic, that the moderators and administrators "represent" the people, but that's also untrue as the people don't get to choose them directly. The best description is that it's an Oligarchy (on the forum) or a Monarchy (overall) in practice.

I think what you're trying to get at is the liberalism of the forum, in that the allowance of users to practice their free speech freedoms, illustrates how liberal it is and not how democratic. Although, someone would make an argument that it's liberalism is actually low when it has restrictions on that speech:

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So it's not really very liberal in law, although as you pointed out, the practice is fairly moderate.

[shadowgrin]

benji, you made me more of an idiot than I already am.

it's not really very liberal in law, although as you pointed out, the practice is fairly moderate.

Yeah, I was trying to say something along that line.

The best description is that it's an Oligarchy (on the forum) or a Monarchy (overall) in practice.

Interesting. Never thought of it that way.

Refreshen my ignorant mind. Communism is an economic theory, right? (I just need to know if I'm right, to repress my idiocy ).

[benji]

Yeah, though when people refer to "Communism" they usually mean the oppressive dictatorial systems of Stalin or say Kim Jong Il. In reality, those are Monarchial governments (one person holds all power) and most Communist states were more Oligarchies, where The Party ruled, even if one person was the leader.

There are three axis, social, economic and political. The social one would range from an anarchy or libertarianism social structure (no state social laws...in true anarchy it's whatever you decide to be social/personal freedoms, in libertarianism it's the society's agreement) to technically, "real" fascism, where the state controls all the social/cultural/personal aspects. Economics would obviously stretch from absolute capitalism (no state involvement) to communism (absolute state control of the economy) and Political from Monarchy (all power in one person) to Democracy (power in all people).

Obviously these individual extremes never exist and most political systems have been mixes. You can't control the economy (Communism) or personal/social aspects (Fascism) without also controlling the other or your hold on whichever you control would break down. So in practice Communists destroyed social/personal freedoms in order to maintain their power, and Fascists seized control of the economies. And you can't control anything if you're letting everyone have a say so totalitarian governments lean to one side of the political axis, and you can't have a state without some kind of government so you can't really move to the absolute other side of the political axis in practice.

Where the practical social and economic axis meet are authoritarian/totalitarian (state controls everything) and liberalism (state only ensures the structure by protecting freedoms). The NLSC is generally moderate with a slight lean to the authoritarian side in the actual law, but in practice is fairly laissez-faire unless one crosses the state.

[cyanide]

There has never been a true communist state... Correct me if I'm wrong, but because people are naturally selfish, Marx's theory could never be put into practice despite attempts? Or is it because there's a restriction on creative freedom, even though individuals are given occupation that best fits their wants?

Sorry if this thread turns into a economics/politics discussion.

[benji]

Too off-topic...should discuss this elsewhere...

[shadowgrin]

Elsewhere where Riot can't find it!

[killer_cr0ss0ver]

^^^ there goes a pinoy hater

good site even better without those pinoy haters.

FUCK YOU PINOY!

lol


Seriously, being a pinoy that i am, im also hurt when i see a pinoy hate in a post. For me is, just hate the guy not his nationality.

[J@3]

Um... he is from the Philippines.

[killer_cr0ss0ver]

Um... he is from the Philippines.

yeah man, im aware. its just a joke on the "theres goes a pinoy hater" part.

[air gordon]

American Psycho is an amazing black comedy. Try "Ravenous" it's another.

woohoo someone got the Patrick Bateman reference. great book/good movie. yeh i heard about 'Ravenous'.. just never get around to renting it

[The X]

American Psycho was a brilliant movie....nice sig btw

[air gordon]

thanks, Mr Parker

the book was better but Bale's portrayal was awesome.

[wicked waway]

American Psycho is an amazing black comedy. Try "Ravenous" it's another.

And my entire reason for posting in this thread:

NLSC forum is the only one of the big forums that I know (I'm not familiar with all that many,10-15) where harsh language, rude remarks and obviously racist posts are something that happens on regular basis... i was very surprised that mods sometimes encourage such behavior or even participate on their own

Therefore the NLSC is closest to being the most democratic forum, which I know of.

I'm sorry, but my anal-ness (and the fact that I'm reading so much on political theory and systems right now, it's all I can think about) requires me to quibble. That's not democratic and there's nothing democratic about the NLSC.

At first, I just left that, and I realized that some people are going to take it the wrong way and think I'm attacking them.

Democracy is a system of government, not a political theory. Democracy is where majority of all rules and everyone has a vote. One could argue that the NLSC is a Republic, that the moderators and administrators "represent" the people, but that's also untrue as the people don't get to choose them directly. The best description is that it's an Oligarchy (on the forum) or a Monarchy (overall) in practice.

I think what you're trying to get at is the liberalism of the forum, in that the allowance of users to practice their free speech freedoms, illustrates how liberal it is and not how democratic. Although, someone would make an argument that it's liberalism is actually low when it has restrictions on that speech:

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So it's not really very liberal in law, although as you pointed out, the practice is fairly moderate.