Bush Letting Aliens into US

[Riot]

So it is infact something that you should blame the employers, not the employees for?

Both parties are at fault, and those companies that are caught get punished, but it's much easier to punish the people who are here illegally than it is to punish a company that hired illegally. You know what I mean?

[Mentally Hilarious]

So it is infact something that you should blame the employers, not the employees for?

Both parties are at fault, and those companies that are caught get punished, but it's much easier to punish the people who are here illegally than it is to punish a company that hired illegally. You know what I mean?

No, I would say that I don't.

Why not attack the problem at it's roots. What people would call "evil capitalism". Through controlling the ones that employ rather then the ones that get employed you would attack it at it's roots.

These people are doing what they can to get by, yes? So why demonising them when they're not doing anything wrong by American standards? All that they can be called at fault for is crossing the border illegally. What they do on this side of the border is up to the goverment to control. Most effictive by controlling companies to a higher degree.

If there were no jobs to take at below federal minimum wage, it would not be a problem.

Demand harsher control of the employers, and the problem would be much smaller.

[shadowgrin]

as crazy as it sounds, hows about you guys attack the issue he is presenting rather than attacking him as a person.

instead of calling shaun a moron and stuff, why not defend your stand on the issue, and if you've got a really good point, then he'll have nothing to say, it really doesn't help to flame the person.

They did give their opinions about the issue, maybe even twice, but Shaun keeps coming up with nothing and unable to back-up and prove his opinions other than calling Bush a dumbass. Shaun doesn't even respond or give a sensible counterpoint to the opinions that have been raised against him.

[Riot]

No, I would say that I don't.

Why not attack the problem at it's roots. What people would call "evil capitalism". Through controlling the ones that employ rather then the ones that get employed you would attack it at it's roots.

These people are doing what they can to get by, yes? So why demonising them when they're not doing anything wrong by American standards? All that they can be called at fault for is crossing the border illegally. What they do on this side of the border is up to the goverment to control. Most effictive by controlling companies to a higher degree.

If there were no jobs to take at below federal minimum wage, it would not be a problem.

Demand harsher control of the employers, and the problem would be much smaller.

Is it easier to take out the "little people" who are here illegaly and have no money or the companies that have a lot of money and know a lot of loopholes? I'm not saying it is right, but that's how it is. I still think you can't excuse the actions of the illegal immigrants because the company is hiring them illegally. It's good for buisness, too bad it's illegal.

[J@3]

I'm surprised Shaun didn't flip out I was expecting some incoherent, all-caps profanity filled rant by the end of the thread.

[shadowgrin]

I'm surprised Shaun didn't flip out I was expecting some incoherent, all-caps profanity filled rant

First post, even edited it to put his rant in...

EDIT:

Also, did you hear the illegal imagrants chanting "We Are America! We Are America!" Are YOU F*CKING Serious???? WOW thats F*CKING RIDICULOUS thats embarrasing!

... or his head exploded because he was trying to comprehend what was posted by the others.

[GloveGuy]

George W. Bush does indeed suck.

But not for the reasons stated in this thread.

[ShAuN]

I agree with Riot no matter what. hes the only one (besides me of course...jp) that makes any sence

[shadowgrin]

You just insulted Riot by grouping yourself with him.

[Its_asdf]

I agree with Riot no matter what.

I think you're going a bit overboard there. That brings to memory that time when that guy followed Riot around saying he loved him or something.

I think it was Dog, was it not?

[dada]

So what if immigrants take American jobs, its not like Americans dont go elsewhere and steal jobs. I know plenty of people who lost jobs to Americans who are less educated than them but the only thing they had going was that they are from the great 'America". Why? America's shit isnt gold. I am sick of all this whining, "Give American jobs to American citizens." This is a very selfish mindset.

[Blasphemy]

Why do you care Shaun if a Mexican lady takes a job of a toilet cleaner? Does it bother you that much? i bet he got fired from his job and an illegal alien took his place. Thats why he made this thread.

[ShAuN]

wankster stfu little pussy

[Blasphemy]

Are you gonna flame me?

[Riot]

So what if immigrants take American jobs, its not like Americans dont go elsewhere and steal jobs. I know plenty of people who lost jobs to Americans who are less educated than them but the only thing they had going was that they are from the great 'America". Why? America's shit isnt gold. I am sick of all this whining, "Give American jobs to American citizens." This is a very selfish mindset.

I didn't know there was a problem of illegal Americans taking other countries jobs overseas. I know there is a problem of people overseas taking American jobs, though.

[Gator]

sence

dude, for the last time, learn how to spell...

[dada]

All I am saying is AAmerican take from others so why not let them take from you.

[Riot]

All I am saying is AAmerican take from others so why not let them take from you.

What have the American citizens taken from you?

[Jing]

man i really agree with riot, amazing.

what i've heard is that because illegal aliens are taking jobs from americans, americans are being forced to go outside the usa to find jobs. i heard the # was like 11 million or something of the american work force was illegal aliens.

hm. i'm pretty interested in this, i should take a current politics class as a GenEd next semester.

[dada]

All I am saying is AAmerican take from others so why not let them take from you.

What have the American citizens taken from you?

Presently I have nothing for them to take.

[Null17]

I can't believe how a thread can contain a lot of intelligent input and tons of stupidity at the same time.

[Riot]

All I am saying is AAmerican take from others so why not let them take from you.

What have the American citizens taken from you?

Presently I have nothing for them to take.

Well, I didn't literally mean you. What have the American citizens taken from the rest of the world? Most of them just mind their own buisness and actually tend to care a lot about what happens in other parts of the world.

And how did this turn into a debate about what American citizens are doing overseas? We are talking about illegal immigrants in America.

[Riot]

I can't believe how a thread can contain a lot of intelligent input and tons of stupidity at the same time.

That's the NLSC for you.

[dada]

And how did this turn into a debate about what American citizens are doing overseas? We are talking about illegal immigrants in America.

Well I said initially that who cares if immigrants take jobs since .....

Wasnt gonna turn into a debate regardless since I have to go to bed in a bit.

[Axel]

Nuff said!