Jackal vs. Poor Little David

[Jackal]

Didn't know where to put it, NLSC issues or general talk, anyways, feel free to move wherever.

But I am aware you are full of shit..

Pff, coming from a person acting like that, you have the balls to say he's full of shit? Funnylicious.

I just don't want both sites doing the same things.. and it frustrates me when NLSC doesn't even "try" to be different

It's a fucking game, there are only that many things that you can do with a game. I think dotorg ripped IGN off, they do previews, omg, you guys did previews. Omfg, you guys are such copy cats.

Better yet, dotorgers make patches, omfg, the Need For Speed community makes patches & releases them on a site, you copy cats.

Get over it, stop whining & throwing a hissy fit like a little girl. That's my job.

.. I am always going to speak my mind...

And when others do it, they are full of shit.

but its all good..

If it's "all good", why are you still whining?

Jackal is infact full of shit..

Ofcourse I am, that's a known fact. You saying it doesn't sting or make it burn. I've said I'm full of shit & everyone knows I'm full of shit. So? Why bring it up each time? Pff, as far as I'm concerned you're full of shit. Yay! Namecalling, so mature.

David, grow up. You're 20 something years old & still get affected by such small and unimportant things. As Jae pointed out, both sides have their faults, none of the two are perfect, but bitching, bitching & bitching about it won't do any of the two parties any good. As EG already mentioned, alot of users of the NLSC frequent dotorg & in fact enjoy visiting (why else would we visit)...personally, I like almost every person on the staff, they are nice to me despite me being "full of shit", you're even nice from time to time.

But the constant bickering everytime a new feature is implemented to the NLSC has got to stop, it doesn't help the community in any way & all it creates are more "incidents" we remember to bring up for the next time.

Add on the "bicker list" under rotating banners.

[Ataraxia]

ill be sure never to start a war of words with Jackal, nice post....yeh n its retarded to say the stuff David said abt copying....then he'll all the b-ball sites will have to shut down cause their showing stuff that belongs to the NBA......n all other game sites have to shut down n let the first ever game site to only run......

[Jackal]

Nah, let's get it straight, I'm not trying to fight with David, I have no reason to fight with David.

See, I didn't even mind him saying I'm full of shit, I even go as far to agree with him.

But sheesh, how many more of these things will we have to read? Every new feature & it's ripped off? Ugh.

[J@3]

I'm tempted to move this to NLSC Issues, but seeing asthough it'll probably start some form of argument I'll just leave it in the home of the flame war, General Talk

[David]

yawn...

Jackal.. we all know you are the scum of the community.. you don't patch.. you rarely talk about the game and you just hang around and play your games to try and increase your "percieved" status in an online community.. it really is sad..

Yes.. play up the rivalry card if you wish.. you wondefull defender of the NLSC .. isn't he wonderfull people? We all love Jackal.. our hero..

The truth is there is no rivalry.. well not from nbalive.org's point of view anyway... infact I am looking at doing a couple of different projects with a couple of staff members of NLSC.. which will improve both sites and the community.. so.. were is the rivaly..

The point of my rant was not to prevent the NLSC from having new features or "winge" about that.. but to point out that once again they were just doing the same thing that nbalive.org was doing.. but I have already discussed this with the people that matter.. and we have agreed on some points and dissagreed on others.. and that is fine.. I have delt with it.. I have decided to just take a step forward and change what nbalive.org was doing and keep it different.. besides I think overall what the NLSC will be better and nice feature for the community.. as I have told Matthew.. his idea is a really good one.. and he told me he understood my gripe and we are over it.. why the hell you feel the need to make this post Jackal other than to try and create some sort of rivalry I don't know..

I will address my full of shit comments as you seemed to have focussed on them too.. I am glad you admit you are full of shit.. that is fine.. perhaps Andrew should admit it for once instead of continually lieing to convience himself.. you see when nbalive.org first started a few years ago I tried to work with Andrew to do projects together and help the community.. Andrew obviously wasn't interested in this and went "anti nbalive.org" for some reason.. then Andrew decided to block me on MSN so I could not ask him why he was doing this.. I sent him and email asking why? He responded that it was nothing to do with nbalive.org and that he had blocked me because he only used MSN to talk to colse family and friends etc... Which was a lie.. and from there it has gone on.. everytime I express my opinion on the NLSC I am the evil one who is at war with the NLSC.. I rarely post on the NLSC as such because it cause "issues" like this.. why? Why does there have to be a rivalry? Why cant people here see my comments for what they are? They are my opinion.. I have my opinions for various reasons.. it does not = NLSC vs nbalive.org ... infact all along it has just been my aim to make the community more diverse and better... If you think it would be better for me to say nothing and have both sites exactly the same then you are a moron..

what else do I need to say? nothing.. I can't beieve I wasted this much time on your wothless post Jackal...

[ATTENTIONWHORE]

Nevermind.

[Ruff Ryder]

I couldn't agree with you more.

Jackal.. we all know you are the scum of the community.. you don't patch..

Does that make me the scum of the community? Jae? You? Glove Guy? There are plenty of people that just hang around here to have a good time and post about the NBA or hang out in General Talk. Anyone that doesn't patch and rarely talks about the game is the scum of the community?

Yes.. play up the rivalry card if you wish.. you wondefull defender of the NLSC

And that makes you the....

I mean, look at all or nearly all of the patchers from .org. Most of the come from here. They start here, submit their patches and then when they become good nbalive.org goes and picks them up.

Hell, the 2 sites are probably as different as can be. If I said Jackal sucks dick here, some mod (other than a few of the new ones) would warn me and lock the thread but I feel if I said it at .org it would get moved to the forum games/spam threads sections and the mods would jump in and be like "Hell yeah, flame war!", and maybe drop a few insults themselves.

Let's just leave the sites the way they are, I mean it is so damn impossible now it seems. If one forum gets a new mod, they coppied it from the other forum. I like the sites fine, they seem to be 2 different worlds. It's just that NLSC is superior to .org for now. NLSC is like the older brother. .org is cool, but has less members and is less active. I have no beef with Dave or .org really, but come on, leave this alone.

[Donatello]

yes, for god's sake just leave it alone. i personally like NLSC much, much better. The people here are nicer and don't give eachother so much shit. But to each his own. Just because two websites with the SAME TOPIC do similar things does not mean the idea was stolen. The goal of these sites is basically exactly the same, so OF COURSE there will be similarities, i'm surprised they aren't MORE similar. thousands of websites use the phpbb2 (forum) system, and install the same mods to it. does that mean they are stealing it from another site? no- it's a mod that is made available to the public, and if it's useful to them, they'll use it.

just be and let be.

[David]

Does that make me the scum of the community? Jae? You? Glove Guy? There are plenty of people that just hang around here to have a good time and post about the NBA or hang out in General Talk. Anyone that doesn't patch and rarely talks about the game is the scum of the community?

huh? Well if a good time is starting up yet another NLSC vs .org flame thread.. and I never said people that hang around here are the scum of the community.. I said Jackal was.. for starting this thread and trying to promote hatred between the two sites.. which is just stupid...

It's just that NLSC is superior to .org

yes yes.. I know.. how dare I question this superior site.. you would think I would learn .. I have been told many times I am not worthy of posting on this superior site ... but I just cant help saying my opinion..

I mean, look at all or nearly all of the patchers from .org. Most of the come from here. They start here, submit their patches and then when they become good nbalive.org goes and picks them up.

Picks them up? nbalive.org offers hosting for quality patchers and full mods.. that is the main purpose of the site.. it is the main differentiation between NLSC and .org.. NLSC doesn't host patches.. (except the NLSC roster etc..) so how is .org picking them up?

The people here are nicer

obviously..

[kevC]

I mean, look at all or nearly all of the patchers from .org. Most of the come from here. They start here, submit their patches and then when they become good nbalive.org goes and picks them up.

Name one. Most patchers post on both sites simultaneously...

[Matthew]

The title of this thread should be Jackal/ David...

There may be hard feelings between the two sites, but for fucks sake, lets move on from it. What good is it doing for the community? If I was at EA and I saw the two most respected fan sites for NBA Live bickering like this, I'd take them less seriously when it comes to requests and petitions and such. If we can't all be friends, lets try to be civil. That goes for everybody (myself obviously included).

[Ataraxia]

*gives everyone Prince Charles blowup dolls*

now have fun with them and keep quiet.

[Andrew]

perhaps Andrew should admit it for once instead of continually lieing to convience himself.. you see when nbalive.org first started a few years ago I tried to work with Andrew to do projects together and help the community.. Andrew obviously wasn't interested in this and went "anti nbalive.org" for some reason.. then Andrew decided to block me on MSN so I could not ask him why he was doing this.. I sent him and email asking why? He responded that it was nothing to do with nbalive.org and that he had blocked me because he only used MSN to talk to colse family and friends etc... Which was a lie.. and from there it has gone on..

I really didn't want to go on with this, but since you persist with the slanderous remarks...

I don't recall a time you ever approached me with ideas for projects, nor an email about blocking you on MSN. I did block some people for a time because I was getting uncivil messages and frankly, when I come online to talk to people and to do things with the NLSC, I don't want to deal with that.

As for me being "anti nbalive.org"...you might notice that pretty much every time you've had bandwidth problems in the past I've left the thread open (unless it's a superfluous one) and in most cases answered the question with whatever information I had. When the Street project for NBA Live 2003 was released I posted an announcement on the NLSC's main page with a link to nbalive.org as a show of good faith, because it was an awesome add-on.

As Matthew pointed out in the other thread, any questions about the NLSC (especially during our downtime) were locked with a link to google.com posted. I didn't see those threads myself as I haven't visited the nbalive.org forum in some time, but I see no reason for Matthew to lie about that.

Anyway, I know you will simply respond to this and say that I am full of shit and this is just more lies. If that's what you believe, then that's what you believe. But I don't want to continue discussing this if you're not going to be civil, mature and reasonable.

[Jackal]

yawn...

Perhaps you should head off to bed instead of staying online & yawning.

Jackal.. we all know you are the scum of the community.. you don't patch.. you rarely talk about the game and you just hang around and play your games to try and increase your "percieved" status in an online community.. it really is sad..

You know what’s almost as sad? A 26 year old guy, who seems to have a job, has a social life & everything, yet he’s so fucking obessed about being “the best Nba Live site evah” that he spends hundreds of hundreds of his own money just to be better than the competition. You know what else is sad? That this old geeser has the audacity to call my situation, a 17 year old kid’s situation sad. Pff, you don’t know the half of it. You should look at yourself before you start bitching about others dear David, you should heed your own advice. Pff, at the age of 26 I don’t think I’d be going over to another site going “weeh, ya’ll stole my idea bitches, boo hoo!!” See, you want insults? It’s easy. I tried to keep it civil but that’s not possible with you. Anytime anyone says anything positive about the NLSC is a cocksucker. Yeah, fuck you too. Hehe, 26 year old baby crying about a website calls me sad, that is the topness of all funnyness.

Yes.. play up the rivalry card if you wish.. you wondefull defender of the NLSC .. isn't he wonderfull people? We all love Jackal.. our hero..

Where do I mention a rivalry in my post? I asked you to stop bitching everytime the NLSC tries to introduce a new idea to their website. Everytime there’s a new idea, it’s been ripped off of dotorg. For fuck’s sake, you’re not the world leader in NBA Live websites. It’s a game, there is only so much you can do with it, the most logical would be to write a review about past games. Or assemble a team of patchers. Heaven forbid the NLSC decided to do that, they’d be copying the great David & his unique idea’s. (Note I say David because he seems to be the only one bitching, he’s always the only one that seems to be bitching.)

Even the last time with the banner thing, according to Ben he could give a shit what the NLSC introduced, David was again the one throwing a hissy fit about copying. Besides, that one wasn’t even a suggestion from one of the NLSC staff members, it was just someone who visited both forums. Yet the NLSC was made out to be the copy cat. See a patern here? I’ll drop you a hint, you keep on bitching.

The truth is there is no rivalry.. well not from nbalive.org's point of view anyway... infact I am looking at doing a couple of different projects with a couple of staff members of NLSC.. which will improve both sites and the community.. so.. were is the rivaly..

You keep yapping on about a rivalry when I never even brought that up. I suggested you stop pouncing on the NLSC everytime a new feature is implemented. That’s what I said, read the fucking post. I don’t mention ya’ll going to war, I mention you should stop bitching about the NLSC stealing all of your ideas. Precious little ideas.

The point of my rant was not to prevent the NLSC from having new features or "winge" about that.. but to point out that once again they were just doing the same thing that nbalive.org was doing..

It’s the most logical thing to do about the game, write a historial summary, oh gosh, what copy cats they are. It’s like in novels, one writer writes about a serial killer. Yay, his idea. Another writer comes & does a book about serial killers but in a different way, their own way. Omg, they are such copy cats, they should be shot.

Grow the fuck up, you don’t have a patent on the frigging ideas. It isn’t as unique as you think, all sites have historial reviews, it’s not YOUR idea. Sheesh.

why the hell you feel the need to make this post Jackal other than to try and create some sort of rivalry I don't know..

There you go with the rivalry again.

Why I decided to make a post? Simple, I’m tired of reading your bullshit everytime a new feature is introduced. You never post for your own reasons (read: The NLSC hates me, cry with me bitches.) but when a new implement is unveiled, you suddenly pop up from under god knows where & start having a fit about how original David is and how unoriginal Andrew is. Pff, that’s worth a yawn. Now if you would stop bitching about everything and suddenly once in a blue moon pop up saying “ooh, my opinions matter too, I’m part of the community too” then I wouldn’t feel the need to make this post. If I didn’t have to read or expect to read some of your crock everytime a feature is unveiled then I wouldn’t feel the need to make this post. If you didn’t attack Andrew & the NLSC staff for every fucking thing they tried to do to improve their site, I wouldn’t feel the need to tell you you’re a fucktard. Naturally my opinion doesn’t matter since I’m full of shit but yes, that’s my opinion, like you have yours of me, I have one of you.

I will address my full of shit comments as you seemed to have focussed on them too.. I am glad you admit you are full of shit.. that is fine

As if it’s the first time I’ve admitted I’m full of shit. It isn’t a big whoop, see, that’s just how “involved” you are.

.. perhaps Andrew should admit it for once instead of continually lieing to convience himself..

You seem infatuated with Andrew. How about heeding your own advice? How about you admit you are full of shit. Sheesh, if a person can get all heartbroken about one site “stealing” their ideas, they have to be full of shit.

you see when nbalive.org first started a few years ago I tried to work with Andrew to do projects together and help the community..

Boo. Hoo.

Andrew obviously wasn't interested in this and went "anti nbalive.org" for some reason..

Of all the time I’ve been here, I’m yet to see Andrew make derrogatory comments about the dotorg or their members. Can’t say the same for you, can I David? Ofcourse, ofcourse, you don’t give a shit what I think.

then Andrew decided to block me on MSN so I could not ask him why he was doing this.. I sent him and email asking why?

Probably because you’re so full of yourself and full of shit. Seeing you act this way, I don’t entirely blame him or the other people that may have blocked you.

everytime I express my opinion on the NLSC I am the evil one who is at war with the NLSC..

You express your opinions? You mean those hissy fits are opinions? Sheesh, from my point of view they look like accusations & attacks, if that is what you call opinions I’m the best person to give opinions. Yet, you say I’m full of shit. Wouldn’t that also make you full of shit? Yes.

I rarely post on the NLSC as such because it cause "issues" like this..

So you agree, if you’d stop bitching about every new feature, we wouldn’t have “issues” such as these. Right? Yepsh.

why? Why does there have to be a rivalry? Why cant people here see my comments for what they are?

See, even more proof you’re full of über shit. When I comment on your comments, I’m full of shit. Gehehe, when I call your comments attacks & accusations, I’m full of shit and/or trying to stir up shit.

They are my opinion.. I have my opinions for various reasons.. it does not = NLSC vs nbalive.org ...

When others have opinions about your opinions they are one of the following:
Full of shit
(If it’s pro NLSC)
A NBAlive.com fanboy
Scum

When you have opinions, that’s all they are. When people say that your opinions are full of shit, you’re being picked on. Boo hoo. Ugh, grow the fuck up you big baby.

infact all along it has just been my aim to make the community more diverse and better... If you think it would be better for me to say nothing and have both sites exactly the same then you are a moron..

It’ll never be the same you dipshit. It can’t be the same. Everyone thinks for themselves, everyone has their own ideas even if they got inspiration from elsewhere, heh, you have the balls to say those people are morons yet you can’t comprehend that it could never be the same? Moron.

what else do I need to say? nothing.. I can't beieve I wasted this much time on your wothless post Jackal.

Add that to the list. Worthless, when people say David is full of shit, the post is worthless. Yay!

Kids, what have we learned today? That David is picked on, no one values his “opinions” (read: attacks/bickering/bitching/accusations/whining). We’ve also learned that David has opinions that are good & Andrew is evil, evil evil Andrew. He blocked poor Davie, how fucking rude can you get? OMFG! What else did we learn? We learned that Jackal is full of shit because he’s tired of reading David’s full of shit “opinions” and doesn’t have a problem saying so. Run away Davie, run back to dotorg. Think up new ideas for the NLSC to rip off, then return to the NLSC bitching about how they stole your idea, that’s the whole cycle of the community anyways.

Woo is me, David thinks I am scum of the community because I don’t talk about NBA Live (how much he knows…I’ve helped wherever I can. Not my fault my life doesn’t revolve around the game…sad eh?).

So anyone out there who doesn’t talk about NBA Live 24/7, you are scum of the community and do not deserve to be a part of the wonderful community David has strifed so hard to create. All you others, give Davey a big ass kiss. He’s so misunderstood, he’s so pestered by Andrew, he’s made out to be such a black sheep by assholes such as me. Tch, pity the old geeser you bastards. How dare you not pity the man? Bitches. All of ya’ll, he’ll get you.

I wonder if all of the dotorg members feel as “strongly” about the “copying”. If they do, they don’t let on. Always little David bitching & bitching & bitching & bitching & bitching & bitching & bitching & bitching.


Lanky Man, go fuck yourself. Doesn’t have an opinion of his own just cockrides anyone who’s against me. Dipshit.

Stoivan, bring on that fuckin piece of cheese, I’d rather watch that piece of cheese than read his bullshit.

Heh, if anyone defends the NLSC, they are fuckwits. If anyone defends Dotorg, they are great. Stop acting like you’re so bullied, frankly no one gives a fuck anymore. Constant bickering about how anti dotorg the NLSC is, how dotorg only does what is best for the community, blah blah blah…enough man, enough. That’s all I ask you to do, shut the fuck up about that same yakkity yak bullshit you’re always on about. We value your opinions, we don’t value your bickering, your attacks & accusations.

To any other dotorg member/staff member, I have nothing against you, I still enjoy annoying you to away to glory & intend on doing so forever. I had nothing against David but you don’t expect me to swallow all that crock of shit he spits out, do you? Meh, as far as I’m concerned David can go fuck himself. He values no ones opinions if it’s anywhere near pro NLSC. He values his opinions and the opinions of those he sees fit. He would like to have the liberty to express himself in whatever way he feels correct but if anyone else tries to do so (even if it is bad stuff about the picked on little David), they are full of shit. You betta recognise bitch.

[Matthew]

As Matthew pointed out in the other thread, any questions about the NLSC (especially during our downtime) were locked with a link to google.com posted. I didn't see those threads myself as I haven't visited the nbalive.org forum in some time, but I see no reason for Matthew to lie about that.

I know I showed you this link, but so everyone knows which thread I'm talking about, here it is: http://forums.nbalive.org/viewtopic.php?t=7259

As for the rest of this thread and situation: If people take it personal, then they shouldn't. This should be about the fucking community. We should never call anyone scum. I never called Ben scum when he changed my password consistantly (although I did call him alot of other names.. but thats in the past), no one should feel intimidated by the authority figures within the community. Lets have a look at what both sites stand for: The NBA Live fanbase. Emphasis on fanbase. We're all here as fans of the series to enjoy the game. Not to play politics. Not to pass prejiduce. Not to encourage Hate. None of that bullshit. If anyone here isn't here to try and help the community then they are in the wrong forum. Goto some rapping message board.

This isn't war. It never will be. Let's just make this place (and nbalive.org) the best online community for any videogame, or at least try to. The current approach isn't getting us anywhere and it won't get us anywhere in the future. It comes down to what each individual want's. I want the best community we can make, not a divided one.

[Ataraxia]

wow ok until like a while back did I realise who David really is...that he owns live.org..

I gotta say this, a community leader does not act like a damn dropped on his head my father molested me n I cant get no dicked sucked lil POS...cmon seriously look at u....your the biggest fighting machine ive seen in here....and you own such a "respectable" community ...

geez man, n 26 ....thats a joke dude....I cant believe u still fight online at that age....guess u still got your teen hormones n r one of those guys that never grow up.......so why "word" your way on Andrew...whose poised n doesnt crack out like a damn mutt face bush wacka...

u know your lucky Andrew didnt post your IP address n get ppl to hack the daylight outta your computer.......u know ppl will do that if given the oppurtunity.......why dont u get on your feet n thank him for that dumbass

why the hate for Andrew, is it a history....did he steal your one and only woman u loved, though I prolly think the only thing u love besides yourself is your computer, yes David sadly for u u cant get computers pregnant..course u can play "near" real life by playing the Sims....but Im not sure if virtual characters even wanna be near a shithead like u

oh yes I love Jackal, I worship him...no not really...hes just standing up and making his point clear......that your a stupid dumbass and a egocentric net fuck.......

god damn man get a life, your the saddest person "maybe THE saddest" person ive seen in a community.....plus this when you have your own "good" community.

Live.org is nice, but frankly when u look at it ...its boring...yeh its the "heaven" for patches maybe..but its forum sucks....nobody got anything in their brain except....."Oh I think Ill make a patch today cause my dick got erected,hmmm I must ask my little sister how that happens."

go on and on abusing Andrew, yes try to make him look like the hidden asshole of Australia, of the net, of the world........but u know wat......your just a sad 26 year old thats gonna die a virgin n gonna have nobody attend your funeral except ....hmmm maybe nobody will even wanna hold a funeral service for u.....

wow im harsh arent I, but I dunno im just sick of haterz....yes I dont hate u ..but u just pester me n everyone hear.......so leave for god sakes, before I start a petition for Andrew to give your IP address

LALALALLALLALALAAL, damn I got sims 2 and it didnt work

[Andreas Dahl]

See, even more proof you’re full of über shit. When I comment on your comments, I’m full of shit. Gehehe, when I call your comments attacks & accusations, I’m full of shit and/or trying to stir up shit.

It's not because you make comments on his comments, It's because your original post was just to of that stir up shit; Why else name it 'Jackal vs. Poor Little David', or make presumptions about his personal life... You say that is was because you were tired of hearing about the rivalary. We all know what your oppinion is on the matter, we've heard it several times before, there's no need to make a statement about it every time you get pissed.

[.]

He edited the name of the thread after David posted.

[J@3]

I mean, look at all or nearly all of the patchers from .org. Most of the come from here. They start here, submit their patches and then when they become good nbalive.org goes and picks them up.

Name one. Most patchers post on both sites simultaneously...

I think you missed the point. He said they started at the NLSC, which they did. The fact that most of them post at both sites simultaneously has nothing to do with what he was saying. As far as naming one goes, anyone can correct me if I'm wrong... Nick, Jowe, Tony, Alex, KQ, PiksS and there's more I can't think of at the moment. You want posters too? David, Rens, Dmit, Seth, Ben and again there's heaps more.

[air gordon]

i normally try to stay out of the behind the scene drama. however...

doesn't this stuff get old after a while?
what's the need of making a few private conversations public on a forum?
just because you admit you are shithead, doesn't give you a free pass to act like one

i agree with cambyman since he says i'm smart. no seriously, he brings up some good points

and what exactly is wrong about being in your 20's and still being involved with the nba live community?

[Colin]

and what exactly is wrong about being in your 20's and still being involved with the nba live community?

Exactly. Everything Jackal said is a useless argument because he played the "Don't you have a life" card. The most common internet insult in existance. And he even says he's on all the time.

I'm not 'fighting' for either site. But I'm against Jackal for being an idiot.

[Donatello]

jesus......*takes a dump on this thread so everyone will hopefully stay away from it*

[David]

ok..

I really didn't want to go on with this, but since you persist with the slanderous remarks

Slanderous? All I did was post why I believe you are full of shit. Jackal continued it not me.. I had disscussed my gripe with Matthew.. I was over it.. then Jackal made this post. He attacked me for saying you are full of shit. So I explained why I said that.

Further to the "full of shit" justification. I will use this very post. You say you didn't want to go on with this.. but you have not locked the thread like you usaually do? So obviously you wanted it to go on.. you wanted Jackal to have his oppurtunity to attack me further... You are the Admin of this forum.. You can lock this post not me? If you really didn't "want to go on with this" why didn't you lock the thread? Again.. you are full of shit..

I don't recall a time you ever approached me with ideas for projects, nor an email about blocking you on MSN. I did block some people for a time because I was getting uncivil messages and frankly, when I come online to talk to people and to do things with the NLSC, I don't want to deal with that.

Ok I feel like telling a story... everyone pull up a nice comfty chair..

Well it was a few years ago so let me refresh you memory.. In early 2002 I was looking for a host for an NBL mod I and some others were working on. I asked you if the NLSC could host it. You told me that the "NLSC does not host patches but we can add a link to your patch in our patches database".. etc etc.. So I continued to look for a host.. I found a site called "NBA Live Stuff" which had been started up by Ben (everyone who matters knows Ben dont they? ).. He offered to host the NBL patch and he continued to develop the NBA Live Stuff website. He joined up with "NBA Live World" which was run by Dmitri and they formed nbalive.org.

Meanwhile I was just doing the patching for the NBL mod for NBA Live 2001 and getting it hosted on nbalive.org.. even though it wasn't that popular I decided to do the mod again for NBA Live 2003. As the nbalive.org site grew I became interested in helping out Ben and Dmit and Tony. Who had joined also to work on graphics and get his patches hosted. As the site became bigger it ran into trouble with hosting limits etc.. I loved what nbalive.org was doing for the community and I didn't want to see it die. So I put money forward for a host for nbalive.org so it could continue and people could get hosting for their quality patches that they spend so much time on. Because of this Ben (or benji and I called him and he adopted like a fish to water) steped down and put me in charge of nbalive.org. He saw I was enthusiastic about the game (which he had began to not be so enthusiastic about) and wanted to do lots of things to make the community better.

When I first became in charge of nbalive.org I wanted to register at NLSC with my brand new @nbalive.org email address. But I couldn't I found out that nbalive.org email addresses had been BANNED on NLSC.. but benji kindly resolved the issue for me. Please refer to this post http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~nbalive/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2951. I didn't know why the emails were blocked but benji told me it was because the NLSC had some qualms with dotorg.. surely not I thought.. why would they be "anti-nbalive.org"?

In the meantime I had PM'd Andrew about working together on the wishlist for NBA Live 2004.. I can't access these PM's now because my old account has since been deleted (we will get to that later).. but from what I recall Andrew said great he could use the help etc.. etc.. but when I sent him an email regarding my ideas and he saw it was from an @nbalive.org he suddenly started to ignore me and blocked me on MSN? I emailed him a few times ... nothing.. I got frustrated and upset.. (as I think most people would) I then made a post on NLSC that flamed Andrew for ignoring/blocking me .. I cant find that post (probably been deleted) but I admit I was a bit harsh.. I was angry .. he was ignoring my emails/blocked me on MSN.. how else was I supposed to get a response.. never got a proper one to this day.. and the only conclusion I can come to is that Andrew treated me the way he did because I was a member of nbalive.org. After that I was banned and my old account was deleted. Which was fine.. I got angry and I admit I really hated NLSC at that poinmt in time.. all I was trying to do was team together to make the community better and all I got was hostility

I decided not to visit the NLSC anymore and went about making nbalive.org better. Benji, Dmit, Tony and I got together and worked hard making nbalive.org better. We were stuggling managing the bandwidth because the site was so popular and we experience a lot of downtime. I heard that people at NLSC were calling the site "nbadead.org" etc.. etc.. I was upset as I didn't know why there was so much hostility from the NLSC towards nbalive.org. But I worked hard and found a new server and now we are ok.. yay! .. anyway I never posted here for a while till I recieved a link to NLSC from someone.. I think it was Repole.. http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~nbalive/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=15550 .. I decided to express my opinion that NLSC should try to be original. That is all. But the thread was locked and it was apparently my fault that NLSC didn't have the wonderfull rotating banners .. if you read all I said was they should be original.. the NLSC could have taken that onboard and done it in an original way and really surprised the community.. but no.. the evil David from nbalive.org was stopping them from doing it? Whatever..

So that is my NLSC drama story.. fun hey.. I guess I am not welcome here.. again.. for no other reason than I am from nbalive.org.. kinda sad isn't it.. all I want, like Matthew, is to make the best community we can make

Now the most recent post I made was because nbalive.org was going to do a series on the history of NBA Live and I see NLSC doing exactly the same thing. I spoke my mind.. and I discussed it with Matthew but again it was blown out to some sort of 'rivalty' by certain people... whatever.. I was over it before Jackal even made this post.. I changed what nbalive.org was doing to try something different .. you know cause there are no original ideas out there..

As for Jackals and others comments.. well some people don't deserve a response..

but just to remind people of how Jackal loves to attack people it wasn't that long ago that he did exactly the same thing to Andrew and attacked Andrew.. ofcourse those threads have been deleted. I would hope the same happens to this thread... Jackal IS the scum of the community..

[Stevan]

I heard that people at NLSC were calling the site "nbadead.org" etc.. etc..

That would have been Frank Castle, one time, trying to be funny. No one else as far as I know...

The thread has not been locked because in general the NLSC mods have tried to be more lenient, and have been so over the last few months.

[Ataraxia]

lets all get together n sing this song

Deftones - 7 Words

I'll never be the same, breaking decency
Don't be tree trunk, don't fall on my living roots
I've been humming too many words, got a weak self esteem
That's been stomped away from every single dream
But it's something else that brought us feaze
Keep it all inside until we feel we can't unleash
I think that you made it up, I think that your mind is gone
I think you shouldn't have glorified, now your wrong
Suck(11x)
They f**k with my head
Suck(10x) b*tch
You and me are here alone face flat along the edge of the glass
But I'm not here to preach, I'm just sick of thugs
My parents made me strong to look up that glass
So why should I try, act like I'm a little pissed off
With all that sh*t that needs to stay back in the shell
Because your punk *ss made it up, your f***ing mind was gone
Shoud've never glorified, now your right
Suck(12x)
They f*ck with my head
Suck(10x)
You don't know me, shut up you don't know me
Squeal like a pig when you big f**kin, big f**kin, ahh!!
Well I'll tell you about my smoke stack
What's coming back jack, We'll turnback
Curse for in their words in their words
Tell them that you f**king heard
I mean, they know that's what's coming nigga and you're a quitter
I thinking 'bout something naughty and won't tell anybody
So thinking of me by now but you go grab it
I'd like to think, for who I down this sh*t
I belong where they be, 'cause we can not get back those lives
We exist to cease, understand
That god hates blacks shades and all the players
Mr. P.I.G cause I f**kin see
Sure already done crushed all of my brothers dignity
And to the jury can't be no turn is all,my skin looks colored
Does that mean I'm burnt
Cause your punk *ss made it up, your f**kin mind was gone
Should've never glorified, WRONG!!
Suck!(12x)
They f*ck with my head
Suck!(10x)
You bad, BOY!