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Postby Andrew on Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:19 pm

DeMarcus Cousins And The Sacramento Kings Brain Trust Respond To Trade Rumors On Twitter

It seems they're certainly trying to downplay the situation and smooth things over. Of course, a more cynical suggestion would be that they're cooperating in making it look like everything is fine and he isn't on the block, so that the Kings can get the best deal possible.
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Re: George Karl pushing for Cousins trade

Postby mp3 on Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:27 pm

I read that there is pretty much just the owner and Divac who don't want Cousins traded while all the other big wigs including George Karl want him gone.

If I had to put myself in one of those boxes I'd trade him and hopefully get something good to work with in return.

Cousins is very very talented but he's just a moron plain and simple who hurts his team in so many ways that don't show up in the statsheet.
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Re: George Karl pushing for Cousins trade

Postby Vespasian92 on Wed Aug 19, 2015 3:26 am

Ultimately, that's why I like what they did this offseason, including the Sixers trade. For Cousins' tenure here, he's never really had good talent around him so we don't know what he will look like on a winning or even a .500 team. If this works, then we get to see it. I think he can easily be the best player, but not necessarily the leader on a quality team. Just like 2000s Kings with C-Webb, they had Divac and Christie to be the real leaders. Hence seeing Rondo can rediscover himself and adding veterans like Belinelli and Butler.

If Karl/Cousins/Rondo fails and it blows up, then we're back where we started. Trade Cousins for picks (he'll still bring plenty in return), trade Rudy for a decent piece or two, let Rondo walk, and then go forward with McLemore, WCS, maybe Collison, and go back to building in the draft. At least we won't be hitched to Boogie any more. We haven't won even with him here, so ultimately some responsibility has to fall on Cousins.
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Re: George Karl pushing for Cousins trade

Postby Axel on Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:31 pm

They're not trading Cousins after all the moves they made this offseason. Perhaps they try to move him by the trade deadline if things aren't working out.
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Re: George Karl pushing for Cousins trade

Postby Corymach7 on Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:16 pm

Axel wrote:They're not trading Cousins after all the moves they made this offseason. Perhaps they try to move him by the trade deadline if things aren't working out.
The Kings shouldn't at all trade DeMarcus Cousins. Although I'd love for DeMarcus Cousins to be traded to the Bucks for Greg Monroe if George Karl wants it to happen, I doubt it. George Karl is projected to retire in 2016. Who do I project to take his position? John Calipari.
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Re: George Karl pushing for Cousins trade

Postby Corymach7 on Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:45 pm

You can see my Facebook post on firing George Karl here:

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php? ... nref=story
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Re: George Karl pushing for Cousins trade

Postby NovU on Sat Aug 22, 2015 6:05 am

If George Karl is fired, it will be done during mid season when Rondo-Gay-Cousins experiment fails.

Losses starts to pile up, that's when everyone starts to blame each other.
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Re: George Karl pushing for Cousins trade

Postby Corymach7 on Tue Sep 15, 2015 2:02 am

Andrew wrote:I'd call D'Antoni a good coach, not a very good or great one. Coaches who are great or at least very good helm teams to championships, good ones tend to peak with respectable success in the regular season and a few decent Playoff runs.
What about Isiah Thomas with the Pacers after replacing Larry Bird and with the Knicks before being replced by that guy (Mike D'Antoni)? Was Isiah Thomas a good coach?
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Re: George Karl pushing for Cousins trade

Postby Andrew on Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:29 am

I'd say he was average, competent.
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Re: George Karl pushing for Cousins trade

Postby mp3 on Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:16 pm

A better coach than GM...
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Re: George Karl pushing for Cousins trade

Postby Andrew on Tue Sep 15, 2015 6:31 pm

Agreed, although it's not much of a compliment to say that. :lol:
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Re: George Karl pushing for Cousins trade

Postby [Q] on Tue Sep 15, 2015 7:56 pm

NovU wrote:If George Karl is fired, it will be done during mid season when Rondo-Gay-Cousins experiment fails.

Losses starts to pile up, that's when everyone starts to blame each other.

Or a month into the season like they did Malone
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Re: George Karl pushing for Cousins trade

Postby mp3 on Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:09 pm

The Kings bring a whole new meaning to the term "Coach of the month" as in "who will be coaching the Kings this month"

Also why does everyone expect Karl to be fired ? With that team of head cases he may just walk himself during the preseason!
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Re: George Karl pushing for Cousins trade

Postby Andrew on Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:16 pm

It's always easier to fire the coach than trade the players, so when there's turmoil, the blade falls on the coach first. That is a fair point though, he could just as easily resign if the whole situation becomes too much of a headache. Depending on the terms of his contract though, getting fired might be preferable to quitting, as far as his payout is concerned.
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Re: George Karl pushing for Cousins trade

Postby Corymach7 on Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:09 am

[Q] wrote:
NovU wrote:If George Karl is fired, it will be done during mid season when Rondo-Gay-Cousins experiment fails.

Losses starts to pile up, that's when everyone starts to blame each other.
Or a month into the season like they did Malone
This. I'm going to expect Scott Brooks to be named as George Karl's replacement coach within a month into the season.
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Re: George Karl pushing for Cousins trade

Postby Andrew on Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:31 am

I thought you were predicting John Calapari to take over.

As for Brooks, he's apparently sitting out this season, with an eye to returning to the sidelines sometime after that.
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Re: George Karl pushing for Cousins trade

Postby Corymach7 on Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:43 pm

Andrew wrote:I thought you were predicting John Calapari to take over.

As for Brooks, he's apparently sitting out this season, with an eye to returning to the sidelines sometime after that.
I meant this process:

November 2015: George Karl replaced by Mike Bibby
2016 Offseason: Mike Bibby replaced by John Calipari.
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Re: George Karl pushing for Cousins trade

Postby mp3 on Sat Sep 19, 2015 1:45 am

Mike Bibby wff????
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Re: George Karl pushing for Cousins trade

Postby Andrew on Sat Sep 19, 2015 1:43 pm

Well, it's a former player getting a coaching gig...
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Re: George Karl pushing for Cousins trade

Postby mp3 on Sat Sep 19, 2015 3:55 pm

I get that I just figured that Bibby would at least be in the picture already.
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Re: George Karl pushing for Cousins trade

Postby Corymach7 on Sat Oct 31, 2015 10:01 am

mp3 wrote:I read that there is pretty much just the owner and Divac who don't want Cousins traded while all the other big wigs including George Karl want him gone.

If I had to put myself in one of those boxes I'd trade him and hopefully get something good to work with in return.

Cousins is very very talented but he's just a moron plain and simple who hurts his team in so many ways that don't show up in the statsheet.
I say to Divac, "Fire Karl! Name Mike Bibby as Interm! Then, name Calipari to replace Bibby."
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Re: George Karl pushing for Cousins trade

Postby mp3 on Sat Oct 31, 2015 6:34 pm

In order to make Bibby the head coach he would at least have already be on the kings current coaching staff which he isn't and he has zero coaching experience sorry so it would be very unlikely.

They could however fire Karl and make Corliss Williamson head coach if your looking at ex players?
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Re: George Karl pushing for Cousins trade

Postby Corymach7 on Thu Nov 05, 2015 11:47 pm

mp3 wrote:In order to make Bibby the head coach he would at least have already be on the kings current coaching staff which he isn't and he has zero coaching experience sorry so it would be very unlikely.

They could however fire Karl and make Corliss Williamson head coach if your looking at ex players?
Corliss Williamson or Anthony Carter? These two would fit well in this case if thinking of former players. I remember Corliss Williamson with Detroit in NBA Live 2002. He could replace George Karl as big interm like Kevin McHale did on Flip Saunders in 04-05 in Minnesota. Good call. I've also made a debate on who Cousins want Karl to be replaced by between Corliss Williamson and Anthony Carter. It is a poll for him and fans on Twitter. I would want big coach Corliss over Karl as he is flexible with Cousins. Divac can offer a one year deal to Williamson in interm position and after that (in the 2016 offseason) if not happy with keeping him, name John Calipari to replace Williamson. Those would be good moves as I remember Williamson at 13th overall in 1995.
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Re: George Karl pushing for Cousins trade

Postby NovU on Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:51 pm

Corliss Williamson and Anthony Carter, ok. But do they have coaching history at professional level or college or high school league? What qualifications do these guys have? Better yet, gimme the fucking coaching job to me at fraction of cost and I will suck up to Big Cuz like Kobe fans licking his nutsack if that's what you think is needed for SAC team.

I think George Karl is the right guy. He's just handed bunch of overrated no good do-ers. We have already countlessly discussed how Gay hurts his team, and Rondo now. Might have been a good team in video games a few years ago. In reality, the players aren't just good enough. George Karl, Phil Jackson, Greg Pops, doesn't matter whom you bring in, you don't win with this squad.
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Re: George Karl pushing for Cousins trade

Postby Andrew on Fri Nov 06, 2015 1:00 pm

To be fair, that experience isn't always necessary. We've seen former players come in and do a good job despite lacking that experience, Steve Kerr being a recent example and the most successful. Having said that, there's really no strong case for those guys, except that they're former players, familiar names, and former Kings.
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