2011 Playoffs: (2) Heat Vs. (3) Celtics

[yosifun]

Hopefully the refs won't call all of the tick-tack fouls the rest of the series, I mean come on 32-18 to the Heat on FT is a little lop sided even if you have LeBron and Wade. The double tech on Pierce wasn't supposed to be, the first tech he got was a joke with James Jones escaping the flagrant foul for some reason.

BTW, can anyone tell me why isn't Troy Murphy playing in this series?? the guy averaged 14-10 last year on the Pacers! I would take him any day over Krstic. I would give Wafer some minutes for his hustle too.

[NovU]

I mean come on 32-18 to the Heat on FT is a little lop sided even if you have LeBron and Wade.

Tell me how many of those fouls were not deserving for the Heat? Did you watch the game? Most of, if not all, free throws were deserving. People just should stop looking at free throw numbers and keep assuming everybody favored Miami.

The double tech on Pierce wasn't supposed to be, the first tech he got was a joke with James Jones escaping the flagrant foul for some reason.

I thought it wasn't even that much of a hard foul. Rather Pierce's flopping made it more look dramatic. And since when did you start thinking head butting into Jones's face don't deserve a technical. My question was rather on the second technical as Wade was an instigator in that case.

[Andrew]

BTW, can anyone tell me why isn't Troy Murphy playing in this series?? the guy averaged 14-10 last year on the Pacers! I would take him any day over Krstic. I would give Wafer some minutes for his hustle too.

I could be wrong, but from memory he's recovering from an ankle injury.

[koberulz]

I thought it wasn't even that much of a hard foul.

He wrapped his arm around Pierce's head, for fuck's sake.

[jenroe962002]

I mean come on 32-18 to the Heat on FT is a little lop sided even if you have LeBron and Wade.

Tell me how many of those fouls were not deserving for the Heat? Did you watch the game? Most of, if not all, free throws were deserving. People just should stop looking at free throw numbers and keep assuming everybody favored Miami.

The double tech on Pierce wasn't supposed to be, the first tech he got was a joke with James Jones escaping the flagrant foul for some reason.

I thought it wasn't even that much of a hard foul. Rather Pierce's flopping made it more look dramatic. And since when did you start thinking head butting into Jones's face don't deserve a technical. My question was rather on the second technical as Wade was an instigator in that case.

When you wrap your arms on the head or neck that's a flagrant foul and the headbutt on jones that is what you called a flop.

[NovU]

Go watch a replay from youtube plz before you talk idiotic. It's becoming quite annoying how your hate on Heat is blinding your very eyes.

[shadowgrin]

Go watch the replays plz before you go hostile. It's annoying for a long time how your fanboism for the Heat is clouding your judgement.

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James Jones definitely applied some acting there when Pierce 'headbutted' him.

I thought it wasn't even that much of a hard foul.

It doesn't need to be a hard foul for it to be a flagrant.

Flagrant Fouls: These fouls are considered unnecessary and/or excessive. There are two types of flagrant fouls, 1 and 2. A flagrant 1 is unnecessary contact. This is usually when a defensive player swings and makes hard contact with the offensive player or makes hard contact and then follows through. A flagrant foul 2 is unnecessary and excessive contact. This usually has a swinging motion, hard contact, and a follow through. Both fouls carry a penalty of two free throws and the team that was fouled retains possession. A flagrant foul 2 also results in an ejection of the player committing the foul. A player also is ejected if he commits two flagrant foul penalty 1’s.

Going after a player's neck/head certainly counts as unnecessary.

What James Jones did was certainly a flagrant.
James Jones foul upgraded to flagrant; no Pierce penalty


Ref makes it clear that the Paul technical wasn't because of the 'headbutt'

[jenroe962002]

Go watch a replay from youtube plz before you talk idiotic. It's becoming quite annoying how your hate on Heat is blinding your very eyes.

from Joe Crawford:
Q: What did Pierce do for the technical after the (James) Jones foul with 7:59 left?

Crawford: “The first technical foul, it was contact during a dead ball. He approached Jones and got right in his face. There wasn’t a head-butt, but he got right into his face after a hard foul.”


I think your love with Miami Heat is BLINDING YOUR VERY EYES.

[atlwarrior]

It obviously was a flagrant on Jones but I feel like Pierce overreacted. Jones is not that kind of player and Pierce actually started the contact by bumping his shoulder into Jones' thigh before he got fouled. That is why Jones reacted the way he did. But the rules are the rules and Jones was wrong for grabbing him the way he did.

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[NovU]

It doesn't need to be a hard foul for it to be a flagrant.

Well, cannot argue against the rule although it's true that referees have been calling flagrant rather based on the intensity of the foul. I've seen many blown calls against Lebron this season on that account, sorta like Shaq back in the days.

As for Jones's foul, I rather saw it as a good old hard playoff foul. What's more interesting was a flagrant call on Jermaine.

from Joe Crawford:
Q: What did Pierce do for the technical after the (James) Jones foul with 7:59 left?

Crawford: “The first technical foul, it was contact during a dead ball. He approached Jones and got right in his face. There wasn’t a head-butt, but he got right into his face after a hard foul.”

Joe is an idiot. Good thing we have more than 1 ref on the floor. Headbutt or not, there definitely was a contact. Jones reacted to get away from Pierce's monster breathe. What a flop.

[yosifun]

@NovU, It seems most people are agreeing that there was a flagrant foul (for god's sake the commentators said this in-game after watching the replay). Same thing goes for the first tech for Pierce, you can see that he walk up to him head to head, no headbutt just flop.

You yourself should watch the replays before trashing people for what they're posting, even if it's against your team.

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i believe that's called an "eskimo kiss" Pierce=

even though it technically wasn't a headbutt, he still had the intention of hitting Jones and did make contact so i think he shouldve been tossed right there. it was similar to what Zaza did to JRich except Zaza is 7 feet tall so he had to travel a bit further to connect on the shot, making the headbutt more obvious

[NovU]

@NovU, It seems most people are agreeing that there was a flagrant foul (for god's sake the commentators said this in-game after watching the replay). Same thing goes for the first tech for Pierce, you can see that he walk up to him head to head, no headbutt just flop.

I could agree that could have been a flagrant foul but no tech on Pierce or your claim of no headbutt just flop? Watch the vid again plz...

[hova-]

Why did Pierce get tossed?

[rise]

He got two techs in the span of 59 seconds.

[puttincomputers]

After watching the vids I have one thing to say.

Pierce aught to be thankful that he didnt do that to street court baller, might have picked up a disease.

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Pierce aught to be thankful that he didnt do that to street court baller or Wilson Chandler's mouth, might have picked up a disease.

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[Phil89]

Interesting to see big bird doing the sideline reporting for this game.

Oh wait, that's just Craig Sager in a ridiculously bright yellow jacket.

[koberulz]

If picking the ball up and beginning to project it towards the basket before being fouled isn't enough for it to be considered 'in the act', why does Paul Pierce ever shoot free throws?

[Andrew]

That should be a shooting foul, but Pierce is also pretty adept at pivoting into defenders, getting the whistle and then putting up the shot with the result being a shooting foul call; that's the one I disagree with. He's not the only one that does it but he's one of the best at doing it and since that's the way they're calling the game, it's a smart play on his part.

[koberulz]

Well yes, but he always leaves the floor and shoots the ball after contact. Rondo did so before the contact, and failed to get the call. That was my point.

[benji]

Somebody check on Sauru.

[Lamrock]

Miami is certainly the favorite to win it all at this point. Is it me, or does LeBron seem a lot harder to hate without his beard?

[NovU]

Yes, Lamrock. Please don't jinx it tho.

What a great night. Canucks wins, the Heat wins.

[benji]