ratrac wrote:Hedonist, as it seems to me, you really like the system, which is held in Euro football(soccer), hence the suggestions(thoughts).
No I don't, I just think it makes more sense.
There are many things not to like about it.
The team I support never wins anything, with a draft system + salary cap they would probably have a much bigger chance. They always end up selling their best player - which is frustrating obviously. These players are almost always young talents who use the club as a stepping stone for their future.
And I'm not talking bottom dweller. We were 10 years ago, because of bad management and even fraud 20+ years ago that came back to haunt us, but now we're a steady top half team perenially aiming for 5th place. In 2007 we reached the finals of the playoffs (which is a pretty new thing) for a Champions League spot, representing 2nd place, and almost won.
A turnaround that happened through good management and scouting in an average market in a 2nd tier competition and that has resulted in financial growth hand in hand with a new venue. Just giving an example of volatility within a free market.
But in my opinion, this would not work for NBA, one system doesn't work for every league(or sports). I don't want to belittle the football system in Europe, rather opposite, it works brilliantly there, but the thing is unlike the NBA, there isn't just one league, there are many different leagues, 4 strong ones which I would say. Teams have their ups and downs, but the biggest clubs still remain on top(e.g. ManU, Real Madrid, Barca etc.).
But I don't think this would work for NBA, because it's one ELITE league, where huge majority of the best players in the world plays. The majority of the best players are formed into one league, while in football it's much more spread wider. Not as big clubs as the top most, also get their young bright stars until they will eventually will be sold(e.g. Torres, Rooney etc.), but they still remain mediocre.
Ok, I concur that the structure of the competitions are different, but you don't put forth any argument why that makes a difference. Also, you can argue that the top European teams are in a league of their own, especially if it comes down to competition for players.
I think if it can work in a sport where at least 300 teams are viable as a professional organization that put more than double the talent on the floor than a basketball team than it can definitely work in a league with 30 elite organizations that employ 500 eligible players. The fact that pretty much all elite players want to play in the NBA should enable low profile teams to attract talent on its own imo - that being said, again, not my problem nor should it be the league's problem.
Btw, cycling is performed in an "elite league" and it works fine, in the sense that sucky teams have
raison d'être.
Thing is, if the team sucks, just like Andrew brought an example, it's not easy to become at least mediocre, because no one wants to go there, they don't have any trade assets etc(what Andrew said). Which would eventually lead to death of salary cap(or if not, then overpaying their players big time, like Daye for 15$mil/per year, just to maintain some of their talent, which they already lack, because they need to fill their seats somehow, even if they get some good players, they do not have interest in staying, because they don't want to lose all the time, unlike current bad teams(who will eventually get some bright time), those bad(actually awful) remain as awful teams), because the bottom teams doesn't have a chance to invest their money to anybody and after some time they just give to some players very bad contracts, because there is a limit, how low the salary cap can be, you need to fill that(I think it's something 43$M currently, you can't have your salary cap lower than that), hence you will remain sucky(I dare to say that for some teams after 5 years, getting 10 wins would be an achievment, if this 'experiment' would be taken place).
Quite a quote but there are a lot of assumptions in there.
1. You can become mediocre if you suck. Be smart and play
team ball. I'm convinced this is possible and you know, why should it be easy?
2. Why would turning the lottery upside down lead to the end of the cap? Not that I'm against that.
3. Sure people want to play there. Not all good players think they can be the centerpiece of a championship team. Some will make nice careers with bottom dwellers. And besides that, there's nothing against awful teams. I love them, no kidding. But not if they're not trying. Lamrock said in another thread about Philly losing Miller that "it's better to be a lottery team than lose in the first round in 6". Now, that is AWFUL! (and what this discussion was really about in the first place)
4. Minimum payroll is even more ridiculous than maximum. Come on now, what the hell is that for? It's so stupid. And please don't tell me it's because of teams setting themselves up for draft and cap reasons haha. Still I'm sure every team is responsible for its own mistakes in overspending. Top teams make the mistake much more often btw (in soccer).
5. Filling your seats is important, but what's the use of bandwagon fans that will leave gain once the star player is not there or the team is not winning?
This 'experiment' is pretty well tested in the rest of society. The NBA (and other American leagues) are the outcast here.
If a certain city or market is not capable of putting a team together that can win more than 10 games (and I really think you're exaggerating), they shouldn't survive, it's that simple. That's life.