Matthew wrote:Th McRoberts statement was sarcastic?
Did I stutter?
Matthew wrote:How is anyone meant to translate that into sacrism? And if they do, do they also think you're entire post is sarcastic? Becuase your posts in this thread have all had the same tone.
...because McRoberts is terrible. It was a sarcastic, tongue in cheek exaggeration. What do you know about tone? You're a moron and you've proved it many times...you don't know how to understand or comprehend tone, intent, or the overall purpose.
Matthew wrote:You're downplaying the hand injury the same way you're saying it was overhyped. He missed the first 5 games I think, but it was hurting him so bad he was shooting his ft's left handed. While that's not Willis Reed or even MJ in 97, it's still pretty gutsy to be out there.
Did I say it wasn't gutsy? It doesn't impress me...there's a difference.
Matthew wrote:It's proven I haven't seen them play? Please. Your proof is as solid as water. I have watched them play numerous times this season, we get more college basketball games on ESPN then NBA games here, and we get a good portion of tournament games.
Maybe 8 games, if the times were right. You get the NCAA tourney in Aussie on CBS? I didn't know they did that. Maybe you have seen them play. Or maybe you're making it up. But you wouldn't do that...
Regardless, I've still seen them play more than you...which was my main point.
Matthew wrote:But then again, its "proven" that "i havent seen them play". You idiot.
Not knowing that you get NCAA (something that isn't international like the NBA) hoops makes me an idiot? No, it makes me someone who doesn't travel...
Matthew wrote:An missed intentional call? Yeah reward somone jumping backwards after being fouled trying to milk a call. Yeah thats the way basketball should be played... it wasn't a fraglant foul and was called appropiately.
A flagrant foul and an intentional foul are slightly different. From the NCAA Rule Book:
The NCAA Rule Book for 2006 wrote:Art. 4. Flagrant personal foul, live ball. A flagrant personal foul shall be a personal foul that involves severe or excessive contact with an opponent or involves contact that is extreme in nature while the ball is live.
His contact was not "extreme" or "excessive." The flop makes it NOT a flagrant foul. However....
The NCAA Rule Book for 2006 wrote:Art. 6. Intentional personal foul. An intentional foul shall be a personal
foul that, on the basis of an official’s observation of the act, is not a legitimate
attempt to directly play the ball or a player. Determination of
whether a personal foul is intentional shall not be based on the severity
of the act. Examples include, but are not limited to:
a. Fouling a player who is away from the ball and not directly
involved with the play.
b. Contact with a player making a throw-in.
c. Holding or pushing an opponent in order to stop the game clock.
d. Pushing a player from behind to prevent a score.
e. Causing excessive contact with an opponent while playing the ball.
It was an INTENTIONAL...not a flagrant...foul. Two shots and the ball, the game is over. You can't criticize the officials, and the announcers can't say anything. It's not like the NBA; college coaches rarely say anything about the officials.
To say he won't live upto expectations is to call him a bust.
I suppose that's one way to look at it.
Matthew wrote:You say with such authority and conviction that he wont average 15 and 10 until 4 years into his NBA career. What exactly are you basing that on? The fact that he played half the season injured? Really, you try to dismiss what I say but you're the one who said that Lebron would be a bust in a similar type of thread a few years ago, so really what you're saying has no merit.
I expect him to average 15 and 10 about 4 years into his career. I may be wrong, and I hope I am, but I don't see it. Don't even bring up LeBron, I figured he'd fuck up off the court, not on court - big difference. He surprised everyone how well he did - I wasn't the only one.
Oden will be the defensive player we thought, but his offense won't come on for a long time...which is basically what everyone's saying. As for what I'm saying has no merit, why not? I don't even know how many NCAA and NBA games I've seen this season, live and on TV, but it's probably more than you even though you have ESPN.
You're the only one here bad mouthing me and calling me an idiot for my opinion, so really, by ways of arguments, yours have no merits because you rely on trying to make your argument by trying to make your "opponent" (I use the term loosely) look bad, which really, you're not. I'm not an idiot, and people are disagreeing with my opinion, which is their prerogative. I don't care. Disagreements cause discussions, and this discussion turned into an argument due to your malice towards me. I haven't been around for ages, yet you still harbor some sort of grudge. Grow up. I digress...
Matthew wrote:I'm still trying to figure out why you listed Hansbrough and Hibbert. What do they even have to do with this conversation?
The best post players in the NCAA that Oden hasn't played against. He's had no competition in the post...he's playing against 6'8 to 6'10 power fowards who play perimeter games. I thought I said that, or something to that effect, but I guess not.
Indy wrote:I knew this thread would be coming, Greg isn't a stats guy. He's won championships at every level for a reason. He does all the things needed to win ballgames, period.
So you're saying he's a role player that does all the little things? Superstars and number one picks should have the stats, too, but that's just me.
Indy wrote:Shane, stop bringing up the "intentional foul" issue. That's a bunch of bullshit, and its losers talk.
I picked OSU to win in my main bracket. It was bullshit, and it's not losers talk. See definition above...the game wasn't exactly handed to OSU, but pretty damn close. If the correct call had been made, Lewis' great shot might not have happened. If Xavier hadn't been 'tarded, Lewis' great shot wouldn't have happened. If OSU had won with the correct call being made, fine.
I don't care much that they won; I just don't like the fact that the media is ignoring half the people that are saying it was intentional and that the NCAA didn't even look into it. It's the same bias as when Bobby Knight is fined for slapping his own player on the cheek, yet Vandy's coach can hit the ball out of Noah's (Florida) hand and it's ignored. Just like the NBA, the NCAA favors certain players and teams, and, with OSU being this year's darlings, I can definitely see that.
Indy wrote:f that had been an intentional foul, everyone would be whining that the refs took the game out of the hands of the players, and he really did do quite an acting job on the foul anyways.
The sports bar I was at when I was watching the game erupted, and not in a good way, when that happened. I heard (and said) "that's fucking bullshit" numerous times. Apparently, the 45-50 people that were watching the game thought it was intentional or flagrant. I'm sure that feeling wasn't only in one sports bar in Iowa. As for acting, yes he did. But Oden still pushed him with both hands.
Indy wrote: That's what champions do.
Yes, because they've already won it.
Didn't you guys do that before the Florida game too?Indy wrote:As for Patrick Ewing being winded, yes he was tired often during his college years. So you've basically just proven that getting winded in college will not have any effect on whether or not you deserve the number 1 pick, since Pat Ewing is only one of the greatest Centers to play the game.
Ewing was one of the greatest centers due to his skills, not his athletic ability. He couldn't run, jump, and the only reason he could dunk was because he was 7'0 tall. Oden's very, very athletic, yet he appears winded.
Indy wrote:You also have Greg's substitution pattern wrong. Thad has done the spurts of playing time for Greg at times, but that was only for situational reasons, nothing to do with Greg getting tired. He often plays a majority of the first half, sits to finish it, and only takes one break in the second half.
I'm sure you've probably seen more OSU games than I, and you do know what you're talking about, so you're probably right here. It's just what it looks like to me...I'm just not used to seeing coaches pull their best players after brief stints on the court and then put them in a few minutes later. If it's me, they're playing between 30-40 minutes a game and would only sit for more than a minute at the end of the halves.
I don't like Oden as a first pick because he's far too raw and has few offensive abilities. Players like Durant only need to gain weight. If Oden sticks around for a year, maybe two at most, I probably wouldn't be saying a word because he would gain some post moves and not make as many dumb mistakes. This year? He's not even the MVP (Lewis is my fav. player on the team...kind of a tall version of Acie Law) of his team, let alone the best current (i.e. not drafting on pure potential) college player coming out.
As told by Don Nelson to Bill Russell "There are two types of superstars. One makes himself look good at the expense of the other guys on the floor. But there's another type who makes the players around him look better than they are, and that's the type Russell was." The same could be said to Oden. 
