Chicago Bulls Thread

[air gordon]

Randolph’s attitude would be more tolerable if he was an efficient post scorer and played some defense. But he’s not and his contract blows so they should target someone else

JK13- Duhon a solid shooter? Career 38fg%, 36 3ptfg%! The Bulls needed to get rid of Duhon. There are too many guards on this team. If there’s this concern about having a “veteran” backup, there’s always someone cheap like Darrell Armstrong they can sign and play for 10-15mins

The Bickerstaff and Harris hires are excellent ones. I believe they are the ones who actually will be running the team, while VDN will be learning on the job. It is a peculiar situation

putodelagoa
What I think the Bulls need to do is resign Gordon-Deng.. making the core: Rose-Gordon-Deng-Thomas-Noah. Bench: Thabo

Aside from Gor-Deng rebounding from bad seasons, the Bulls key is to develop/give minutes to Rose-Thomas-Noah-Thabo. In order to do that they have to get rid of players that would senselessly be taking minutes away from them. The culprits would be Hinrich & Nocioni. While they are solid players, I feel they are expendable and have hit their ceilings

Earlier in the the thread or some other bulls thread, there was this talk about clearing out salary (similar to what New Jersey is doing) for the 2010 FA class. I think this plan is risky but I’m all for the Bulls trying it. They first have to trade Hinrich/Noce (maybe Gooden as a sweetner) for expiring contracts. While opening up salary for 2010, they are also opening minutes for their key players.

Imagine this scenario a few years from now- Chicago becomes the place where the big name FA’s want to go. the pieces are in place for a championship run- an Allstar pass first PG in Rose, sure fire spot up shooter in Gordon, an excellent off the ball scorer in Deng, a Chandler-like athletic beast/finisher in Thomas, a serviceable abeit idiotic center in Noah, and a defensive stopper in Thabo. Something also to consider is that all these players are still young/heading into their prime ~2010.

But maybe they aren’t able to bring a “big” name player 2010. But they were able to identify whether or not Thomas, Thabo, Noah are players to keep around and they still retain their salary flexibility. it's worth a shot i say

[Andrew]

I like that plan. If getting Hinrich and Hughes' contract off the books is one of their aims, would it be worth dealing them for Marbury and then cutting him, since his contract expires at the end of this upcoming season? According to ESPN's Trade Machine it works, though I'm not all that keen on the idea of giving those two up without getting something tangible in return and New York probably wouldn't be all that interested.

[The X]

I also doubt New York would be interested....if they are trying to clear cap space for summer of 2010, then move doesn't make sense....if it was the Knicks of last year, I would've expected that trade

anyways, I'd agree with air gordon, re-signing Deng & Gordon should be a high perogative....they had off seasons so they might be able to get them marginally cheaper....I'd be inclined to lock up Deng longer term & only lock up Gordon long term on lower dollars....although he's probably only going to re-sign for the qualifying offer....why those two didn't take $10+ mill per season is beyond me....I'm glad it's coming back to bite them....

as for Hinrich, if right deal comes along, then deal him....otherwise hold him until one does & let him play & show his true value (last season wasn't indicative of his true value)....

all in all, the Bulls look to have a good future, provided they don't sit on their laurels & make smart & sensible moves....

[Andrew]

Yes, Isiah probably would have been a lot more receptive to taking on those contracts just to get rid of Marbury. As far as Gordon and Deng passing on the extensions last year, they certainly shot themselves in the foot though I don't fancy them rebounding this year as unrestricted free agents after the season is up.

[putodelagoa]

I also doubt New York would be interested....if they are trying to clear cap space for summer of 2010, then move doesn't make sense....if it was the Knicks of last year, I would've expected that trade

.

Sure, but in order to be appealing to You Know Who, they still need to put an acceptable team on the floor, with a capable point guard, and I don't think Duhon is a long term answer. He'll be hired following the Charlie Ward tradition.

I believe Hinrich would improve dramatically under D'Antoni, and since the Bulls do need a point-blank scorer, maybe they could get back Eddy Curry, whose contract is short and reasonable enough (unlike Zach Randolph's).
It's a small gamble, when you consider other possibilities... A straight up trade.

[Andrew]

I'm not all that high on Curry but I'd certainly prefer him to Randolph if we're talking possibilities with the Knicks. I don't think the Knicks would make that swap though.

[putodelagoa]

Maybe not, but Curry doesn't look like a good fit for a running team, wich the Knicks are bound to become under D'Antoni, and they still need a good, tough point guard, like Hinrich, who also happens to try to play some defense. That never hurts...

With the Bulls, Curry could play within his limits: a defenseless but prolific post scorer. He could function as a role player, playing a shortened rotation, and he would complement the other bigs, that are active and athletic, but unable to score the way he does. I am purposedly leaving out Gooden, since I don't believe he will have a future with this team.

This sounds good to me. A fair deal, that helps both teams.

[Cartar]

What about Hinrich for Harrington? There was rumor about Warriors putting Harrington on trade block, it would give Chicago more depth on frontcourt + he doesn´t have long-term contract, if he fails, only 2 years and $20M left. Also, since Davis is out, they were looking for point guard and that fits

[GoHornets]

I don't think the Bulls want another PF - SF player that can't play the C because of his size. They need a good center. That's all. They already have Thomas, Gooden, Nocioni, Deng and Noah

[Andrew]

With the Bulls, Curry could play within his limits: a defenseless but prolific post scorer. He could function as a role player, playing a shortened rotation, and he would complement the other bigs, that are active and athletic, but unable to score the way he does. I am purposedly leaving out Gooden, since I don't believe he will have a future with this team.

I think that's the snag though. I'm not sure that Curry is willing to be just a role player. I'm under the impression he would prefer a more prominent role.

[putodelagoa]

What about Hinrich for Harrington? There was rumor about Warriors putting Harrington on trade block, it would give Chicago more depth on frontcourt + he doesn´t have long-term contract, if he fails, only 2 years and $20M left. Also, since Davis is out, they were looking for point guard and that fits

Harrington is a bit perimeter oriented, I think, but he's surely capable of scoring on the block. Still, he's also apoor rebounder and defender. Given that I would rather have Curry's bulk to throw around in the post. I think their contracts are similar, and also cease in two years, but I could be wrong.

Andrew:

I am sure Curry desires to play a lot, but by now it's evident that he's not effective for long stretches and should play about 25 minutes a game, as a focal point on offense. I am not sure he'll be able to sustain that role in NY, having to run like a deer.
I don't want to sound like Hinrich agent, but...

PS

It's just a summer league game, but Beasley sure delivered something the Bulls are lacking, hun? But I am pretty sure Rose will put it together.

[Andrew]

Maybe so, but I remember he made a bit of a fuss when he wasn't getting PT last season in New York. If the Bulls were to bring him back he'd have to want to accept his role otherwise it's going to be more headaches. I still don't think it's likely to happen, for all his shortcomings and for all Hinrich could do for New York I don't see Walsh being too quick to deal a legitimate big for a point guard. I've seen a couple of reports on RealGM suggesting that Denver and Miami are interested in Hinrich's services though.

[wazee]

Please trade Hughes or hinrich for a good player.. or a big man.. they have a bunch of PGs,make Rose the top playmaker and resign Gordon and Deng.. Keep Nocioni as the top bench player.. Gooden,Noah,Thomas could play 4 & 5.. If they could get a talented big man for Hughes or Hinrich, they could be a great team in the weak Eastern conference.. Big men are very important in the east, with the likes of Brand trading coasts..

[BabyLoc]

Back off, Bulls fans. Brand will be a Sixer. Quote me in October

LOL

[kinokong]

got quoted in july i see.....

[Andrew]

A lot of the "Quote me in (whenever)" posts don't pan out so well. I have to tip my hat to Drex on this one.

[Skills]

Huh, I wonder what Bulls fans will be like if Derrick Rose pulls a Greg Oden?

[Drex]

Hell yeah, I called it. Who wants to touch me?

[magius]

Huh, I wonder what Bulls fans will be like if Derrick Rose pulls a Greg Oden?

I wonder what Bulls fans will be like if Derrick Rose pulls a Jay Williams?

[Andrew]

Huh, I wonder what Bulls fans will be like if Derrick Rose pulls a Greg Oden?

I'd suggest extremely disappointed.

[shadowgrin]

Hell yeah, I called it. Who wants to touch me?

Axel perhaps?

[Drex]

He doesn't have to ask

[Andrew]

Just out of interest, did you really believe the Sixers had a chance of signing Brand back in May or do you just intend it as a rib on us Bulls fans speculating on the chances he'd return to Chicago? If it's the former...any suggestions for lottery numbers this week?

[air gordon]

I also doubt New York would be interested....if they are trying to clear cap space for summer of 2010, then move doesn't make sense....if it was the Knicks of last year, I would've expected that trade

anyways, I'd agree with air gordon, re-signing Deng & Gordon should be a high perogative....they had off seasons so they might be able to get them marginally cheaper....I'd be inclined to lock up Deng longer term & only lock up Gordon long term on lower dollars....although he's probably only going to re-sign for the qualifying offer....why those two didn't take $10+ mill per season is beyond me....I'm glad it's coming back to bite them....

as for Hinrich, if right deal comes along, then deal him....otherwise hold him until one does & let him play & show his true value (last season wasn't indicative of his true value)....

all in all, the Bulls look to have a good future, provided they don't sit on their laurels & make smart & sensible moves....

I pretty much agree here (so I guess im agreeing with myself lol) except the hold Hinrich then trade him part.
Even with duhon gone, there is Gordon (assuming he’s resigned), Hinrich, Hughes, Rose, Thabo. That’s 5 rotation worthy players at the G position. There’s too much of a logjam for Hinirich to “showcase” himself.

i'd support a Trade hinrich for Camby campaign

btw- i hear that Noah is using the summer league to get in shape. WTF! too bad someone like Charles Oakley or Antonio Davis isn't on the team. they would kicked that girly-man's ass already. Possibly Rookie Sylvia Fowles of the Wnba's Chicago Sky, is more built that Noah.

[shadowgrin]

Because he has to maintain that physique for his dancing skill.
Eat your heart out Rasheed Wallace.