Wondering how this guy became a so-called superstar?

Michael Finley

This guy makes like $100 million for 7 years, is voted as an All-Star, has everyone thinking he's something special.

I can not disagree more, this guy really does little to impress me!

I remember watching against San Antonio in the West Finals, Finley could not or would not stick Ginobilli, he kept pointing at him like Van Exel or Nash were supposed to guard Tony Parker and Manu, the guy stinks up the defense, when they say the Mavericks can't play Defense, it starts with the shooting guard and then comes Raef and the low-post people.

Finley has missed 26 games over the past two years, puts in like 19 points gets 6 boards and 3 assists.

I really think Dallas should have sent this punk to Golden State instead of Nick the Quick, that is if Golden State hadn't already known what I know, that Finley is an average player, with too much pub and the dollars of McGrady, Kobe, Carter, Pierce, Iverson and other true talented 2 guards.
(I understand the whole Point Guard situations)

Just a thread to throw down on some overrated and overpaid players.

I think Fins is an above average player, but I agree that he certainly cannot be mentioned in the same breath as T-Mac, Pierce, Kobe, Iverson and Vince.

He's missed a total of 26 games the last two seasons, but before 2001/2002 he hadn't missed a single game. He's not a bad guy to have as the second or third option in a Big Three setup.

I didn't see any of the games in the Spurs/Mavs series - the only Mavs game I saw from the playoffs was Game 1 of their series against the Kings - I'll go back and watch that tape again, but I trust you on your assessment of his defense. I always thought he was a pretty good defender from the games I saw earlier in his career, but I haven't seen as many games the last few years.

Just a thread to throw down on some overrated and overpaid players.

I suggest Rashard Lewis as the next player for discussion.

really think Dallas should have sent this punk to Golden State instead of Nick the Quick

finley=better than van exel

Geez, the guy avg. almost 20 ppg playing with other 2 who can or do avg. same and you ask why is he special?.

That's like not understanding why Tim Hardaway was called a superstar when he was in the Warriors. Or James Worthy when was playing with Jabbar & Magic. You can mention just a few who can do what Finley does, and I didn't mean in terms of movements but being efficient.

Thankyou scub
im glad sum1 said that.
Finley is a good player, sharing it with 2 or 3 other guys have kept his numbers down.
even though they are all-star numbers

I wouldn't call him a superstar though, nor do I think he's at the same level as guys like T-Mac and Kobe.

I wouldn't call him a superstar though, nor do I think he's at the same level as guys like T-Mac and Kobe.

No, but he could be a lot closer to those guys if he got the ball as much as those two did.

Perhaps. But like I said, he's a great second/third player in a Big Three.

It is extremely difficult to put up huge numbers when you have 3 other all stars on your team.

If Finley was the only all- star on his team like T- Mac or Vince His numbers I feel would improve to about 25 points per game I feel.

He is also a kickass dunker.

i think if Finley was on a team with no other scoring options he could definatly become the next T-MAC

So now teams are paying third options $100 Million?

I am saying that he is a horrible defender and that he does little else.

If you believe it's more difficult to produce on a good team with good players, well that's one way to look at it, another is that he should be getting more rebounds and assists seeing how teams must block out and guard those other good players. Players like Magic Johnson and Larry Bird produced great numbers with all-around play, no matter how many good players they played with. James Worthy was never much of a jumpshooter, nor could he create his own shot, he scored because of good team play.

Michael Finley does little on the court, you watch him you will see.

Nick Van Exel is twice the player as Michael Finley, if you are going to say that Finley is better, explain why.

Van Exel gets the same points, plays the point and gets many assists. He made clutch after clutch basket in the playoffs, one of the main reasons Dallas advanced.

The day Michael Finley becomes a serious player let me know, so far tons of money and respect, hardly the production to back it.

If Tracy McGrady were playing with Dallas with Nash and Nowitzki, McGrady would take the number one option from them standing on his head.

Good teammates are not an excuse for not passing the ball and playing defense.

but finley can dunk over shaq,yao,malone etc easily

but finley can dunk over shaq,yao,malone etc easily

[ROFLMFAO] My god, thats was hilarious, after reading all serious posts and all, then reading PP's SERIOUS post..after that I read that quote...damn man funniest shit ever, I couldnt believe he said that... [/ROFLMFAO]

but finley can dunk over shaq,yao,malone etc easily

[ROFLMFAO] My god, thats was hilarious, after reading all serious posts and all, then reading PP's SERIOUS post..after that I read that quote...damn man funniest shit ever, I couldnt believe he said that... [/ROFLMFAO]

you thinked i ment this seriously?ok fine by me

7yrs/100 mil! wow... i'm not sure if any player deserves a contract such as this unless your name is shaq, duncan, kg, kidd...

superstar? no. i do think he did deserve to make the all star team that one year. finley on offense is great moving without the ball and plays his complimentary roll very well (since diggler and hair have turned into all stars).

perhaps all those minutes finley has been playing over his career is catching up to him. i do remember he has been amongst the league leaders in ticks throughout his career. i don't know if it's the system, but finley doesn't take it to the cup as much as did before. see a lot of those damn turn around j's and 3's

i do agree that finley can be a better defender. it seems he does have the physical tools to be one.

as for assists.. i'm not sure. nash dominates the ball offense and when he's not, it was van exel.

with jenna jamison, finley shifts back to his natural position. maybe he will rebound back with a better season and start earning that contract

James Worthy was never much of a jumpshooter, nor could he create his own shot, he scored because of good team play.

Hmmm, if Worthy is a hall of famer is not for playing with great guys or in a good team. If he scored was much more for his own knowledge of how to kill the defense. Nobody becomes a hall of famer for playing in the same team of Jordan or Magic. Ooops. James Worthy had a much better jumpshooter than most of the guys I see playing today. He did create his own shot. If the videos don't show how he played the game it's cause in some point might be boring. Remember nobody prefers to watch Peja over TMac.

So now teams are paying third options $100 Million?

The case is not that you're a 3rd option cause at the moment the first 4 options of the Mavs would be 1st-2nd option in any other teams. So saying that a 3rd option of the Mavs doesn't deserve to be paid like that is saying a 1st-2nd option of other teams don't deserve to get any amount close to that.

Also, if your 3rd option produces like a first option of any other team, then why wouldn't you? I understand the money sounds like it's too much but you are not crying about paying others who do less than him, let's say Vin Baker who gets 86 M in 7 yrs. 14 Million less but he doesn't do even 1/4 of what Finley does. Grant Hill who gets 92 M in 7 yrs. and doesn't even play. Jalen Rose is a Bulls first option, he does avg. just 3 ppg more than Finley who is a 3rd option and gets 93 M in 7 yrs. So you are looking at things the wrong way as those don't even get close to what Finley does as a 3rd option and you are asking if he's something special.

However I would easily use logic for you to prove Finley is even better than Paul Pierce. Pierce is the 1st option of his team and just avg. 5 or 6 ppg more than Finley. I put Finley there & take out Pierce & Finley would easily avg. 29 ppg.

Michael Finley does little on the court, you watch him you will see.

I've watched him playing plenty of times, everyone's eyes is focused on Nash & Nowitzki, and he always finishes with 20 ppg. However, I've watched Paul Pierce playing, all the eyes are on him & he finishes with 24 or 25 ppg. I consider Finley does more since nobody is expecting that much from him.

Let's see if you expect Payton or Karl Malone to avg. 19 ppg for the Lakers, now that they are playing for a team as a 3rd option. Do you think they will? NO. So Finley is special.

Van Exel gets the same points, plays the point and gets many assists. He made clutch after clutch basket in the playoffs, one of the main reasons Dallas advanced.

Van Exel is an original Lakers and I like his game but saying he's twice better than Finley is still too much. You still don't understand the case. You put Van Exel on a team to become the 1st option, Van Exel will get as much as 22 ppg. Finley gets to a team as a 1st option and he will avg. 29 ppg easily. That's the same thing that happened with Stackhouse playing for teams as a 2nd option he avgd 22 ppg, whenever he got the chance to become a 1st option, he avg. 29 ppg. I do know when a guy like him averages that much in a team with 2-3 more superstars, there's something good in him.

The day Michael Finley becomes a serious player let me know, so far tons of money and respect, hardly the production to back it.

He produces more than Paul Pierce, he triples the production.

Good teammates are not an excuse for not passing the ball and playing defense.

Now, who's that? it sounds like Paul Pierce, lol. Finley plays better Def. than Paul & if Finley doesn't get assists is cause at the moment he gets the ball is to shoot it not to pass it.

i think if Finley was on a team with no other scoring options he could definatly become the next T-MAC

If Tracy McGrady were playing with Dallas with Nash and Nowitzki, McGrady would take the number one option from them standing on his head.

You meant at this moment right?, still, I don't think T-Mac would be the option number 1 over Nowitzki if playing in Dallas as TMac needs the ball in his hands just like Kobe to produce and at this time the ball would be much more in Nash hands. Also, Nowitzki is already there and whoever who comes to his team is 2nd not 1st.

But like I said, he's a great second/third player in a Big Three.

He does more than any of those who are 1st option in their respective teams.

The above post is only intended to flame, adds up to nothing, goes with a response other than saying it's meant to flame and that I saw James Worthy play in the flesh more than once. I saw him on television many times in the 1980s.

Bashing Paul Pierce, that's the way, very creative.

Nonsense

LOL @ this thread.

Finley's had a solid career thus far, he's was an ironman up untill the last couple of seasons, and even missing 20 odd games is not too bad when compared to some.

He has basically been labelled garbage in this thread. As far as I know, you don't hear Michael Finley bitch about shots or minutes (unless ofcourse I missed it?). Until the Mavs got deep Finley was the Mavs. Now he is a team player, and though yes he is not worth $100 mil, the franchise rewarded him for his years of service, and besides, Cuban pays everyone!!

the waterboy probably makes 5mil a year

but seriously, Like stevan said, Finley was the sole star for dallas before dirk and nash got good. He was their only consistant scorer and i've always thought he was a pretty decent defender

not that it matters, but i do remember when he won a one on one game with MJ while he was in highschool

yes he is not worth $100 mil, the franchise rewarded him for his years of service, and besides, Cuban pays everyone!!

I saw him on television many times in the 1980s.

So it means everytime he was shooting you missed it or changed channels?, a hall of famer who never got to create his own shot, he scored cause he was in a good team. That's a good one,

I read the first five posts of this thread...so...if I repeat, I apologize...
Michael Finley, while overpayed at $100 million, almost deserves it. The Dallas Mavericks were one of the best teams in the league at stopping Shooting Guards (Kobe, McGrady, Pierce all had their worst games against Dallas) and Michael Finley obviously had a hand in that. If he was more selfish or aggressive offensively along the lines of the three mentioned, he probably could get 25-30 a game. He certainly has the talent.

As for Rashard Lewis, he got his contract on his potential...and he's on the cusp of being an All-Star this season, if he boosts his rebound 2 boards or so upwards he would be a definate All-Star. Plus he's only 24 so his prime is five years away yet.

Like stevan said, Finley was the sole star for dallas before dirk and nash got good. He was their only consistant scorer and i've always thought he was a pretty decent defender

Over 22 points, 6 rebounds and 5 assists per isn't overrated IMO...that's what he averaged before Nash and Nowitzki emerged. No one is saying he's up there with Kobe or T-Mac. He's not a very good ballhandler and he can't set teammates up like those two. But he's good...and no one complains when he makes the All-Star team. The guy is legit...

As for pointing at Ginobili...that's probably because the Mavs played zone pretty frequently last year...in which case Ginobili wasn't always his responsibility...

not that it matters, but i do remember when he won a one on one game with MJ while he was in highschool

Actually MJ beat him...

Anyway...while we're talking about overrated and overpaid players...let me drag out my personal whipping boys for a little more abuse...and I like the method of using pictures...



You were supposed to be good 2 years ago...pal. Maybe one day you'll averaged more than 8 points a game...but for now you're a bust and a half...



When he was drafted all I said was..."What are the Warriors thinking?" Now one season later I say..."What were the Warriors thinking?" You my friend were a quality mid-first round pick and you remain such.

Considering that he was the third-best player on Duke even when he was there...and he had no clutch...I don't know why he would be drafted higher than Shane Battier was. Boozer is even looking like a better pick at this point...



In 1998 somebody said to me in reference to him..."His career has peaked." At the time it seemed like a very bold statement. Now it's just a very correct statement.

And you can't discuss overpaid...overrated...charmin soft players without the Master...



I could do this all day...

Houston actually did pretty good last season, i was surprised.

Houston actually did pretty good last season, i was surprised.

Sure, for a player being paid the salary he gets paid, he was magnificant last year.

::-Salarlies-::

Allan Houston: 2002-2003 $14,343,750

Kobe Bryant: 2002-2003 $12,375,000

Tracy McGrady: 2002-2003 $12,072,500

::-Stats-::

Allan Houston: 2002-2003

PPG: 22.5
RPG: 2.80
APG: 2.70

Kobe Bryant: 2002-2003

PPG: 30.0
RPG: 6.90
APG: 5.90

Tracy McGrady: 2002-2003

PPG: 32.1
RPG: 6.50
APG: 5.50

On a side note, Allan Houston has never averaged more then: 22.5 PPG, 3.70 RPG and 3.0 APG, yet he gets paid more then Bryant and McGrady.

Superb .

Oh psycho, don't even start. Houston killed Bryant back in Los Angeles. After that day Bryant never was pointed as a defensive player, knowing what Houston did to him.