US to Declare War on Iran, Good Friday

He cares more about the safety of the country he was elected to serve than the short sighted opinion the Americans have. You CANNOT pull out of Iraq. I can't even believe people think that is an option. It no longer matters if you think the war was a mistake or not because we are in it and leaving would only make us look even worse and make the situation more violent.

Oh, what a pathetic excuse. Leaving would make us look worse? What kind of logic is that?

I think the global sentiment would be "Finally!" rather than a condescending view the US. They already think us too stupid to accept our losses, and leaving troops in Iraq just makes us look even more oblivious to the stupidity of the war.

I don't care if we leave Iraq in a Civil War. Once we leave Iraq, their probelms are none of my concern. I also don't care if we leave it open to insurgents and terrorists. Why?

Syria, North Korea, and Iran are why. There will always be US opposition, and there will always be violent factions. James Madison said you can't get rid of factions, and he was absolutely right. You can only hope to control their effects. Instigating a fight with the rest of the world will not heighten security. We may be eliminating, or suppressing some of our opposition, but in the process, Bush is inspiring future generations of terrorists with American blood on their minds. Are you too stupid to realize this?

Axel, the thing is, if US troops do indeed pull out of Iraq early, then there will be future generations of Iraqis terrorizing the West. The situation in Iraq HAS to be resolved. However, it won't be resolved if the US continues to isolate itself from Iraq's neighbors in the Middle East. US policymakers need to stop being stubborn and throw out their "We won't negotiate with anyone who supports terrorists" mentality. The only way the situation will be resolved is if the US works with Iran and Syria to cut off the insurgency's resources in Iraq.

They would run the country and take control of the oil. They can then use that oil profit to help fund and expand their terrorist activities.

So you should take it? You do know what is middle-east's number one export to fuel their own economies?

They would run the country and take control of the oil. They can then use that oil profit to help fund and expand their terrorist activities.

So you should take it? You do know what is middle-east's number one export to fuel their own economies?

We aren't taking any of IRaq's oil. 100% of the money going from oil profits is going straight to the Iraqi rebuilding efforts. America isn't getting any cut of the money. So would I rather have the money going towards a better Iraq or towards terrorists who will use the money to fund more terrorist activities and not on the people of Iraq? You can answer that question, I think.

I can't believe some people are even suggesting that having a Iraq as a terrorist state wouldn't be that big of a problem. It would be awful and we would have to address in years ahead. So do you want us to deal with it now or later when it is stronger? That answer should be pretty simple.

Leaving Iraq is the worst decision you can make, even worse than getting into it in the first place. People who want to pull troops out are short-sighted. You don't care what happens in Iraq? That is selfish. We told the Iraqi's we'd give them democracy and freedom and to leave their country in shambles would be a mistake. How can you say that? I just don't see how you guys can say you don't care about the Iraqi's or their country. We promised them freedom. We promised them safety. We have to, and can, deliver. It's just the liberals can't handle warfare. This is not a war won in a year or two, it is a long war that will take a lot of time. You cannot expect instant results. A lot of people are growing impatient but you can't just pack up and leave. People die in war and war is awful but the only way to justify a war is when you leave the place is better than when you found it. If you we leave Iraq we cannot say that and therefore it is a failure. We can't fail. The only way we'll fail is if the weak-minded people here in America allow us to.

I agree riot- People against the war dont give a crap about anyone but the Americans. What- we say were gonna help iraq then we jus leave them so they can be taken over by terrorists?? Yah real smart- giv terorists mor land.the people that i met against the war r all liberal hippies.

What the hell is this submissive nature towards Iran? "oh yes, please abduct 15 british soldiers, we wont do anything but ignore it".

Heh, but wait, maybe you disagreed with it Cryanide but decided not to say anything about it. It wouldn't be the first time you've done that. That's the honourable Canadian way to do things.

Riot, people will always criticise no matter what America does. It's classic insecurity.

You don't care what happens in Iraq? That is selfish.

Yeah, supporting this war and the absurd reasons behind it probably means that you care about Iraq...You should stop pretending that you do, that's not fooling anyone.

We told the Iraqi's we'd give them democracy and freedom and to leave their country in shambles would be a mistake.

You didn't tell the Irakis any of that. You told them that they had dangerous weapons that they don't have. You removed their tyrant and replaced it with complete chaos where innocent people die everyday for nothing, where the basics like food, water, a roof..., barely exist anymore.
Stop misusing the concepts of "democracy" and "freedom", you didn't bring the Irakis any of that, and they didn't ask you to either.

The only way we'll fail is if the weak-minded people here in America allow us to.

Way to live in denial...

I agree riot- People against the war dont give a crap about anyone but the Americans.

Not sure what dimension you live in, but the vast majority of the world doesn't give a shit about the US but does value peace and diplomacy. They precisely care enough for Irak to be against the senseless, continuous killing of its citizens and destruction of its infrastructures.
I'm not American, and you better believe that I'm against this stupid war.

What- we say were gonna help iraq then we jus leave them so they can be taken over by terrorists??

So how exactly are you helping Iraq right now? By destroying its people's entire way of life and contributing to what will be the next generations of jihadists?

Riot, people will always criticise no matter what America does. It's classic insecurity.

Well, actually it's called common sense.

Yeah, supporting this war and the absurd reasons behind it probably means that you care about Iraq...You should stop pretending that you do, that's not fooling anyone.

Well first and foremost, the reasons to go war can be debated about. They didn't have WMD's and that was a mistake but it was a MISTAKE. Everyone and their grandma thought Saddam had the weapons. He has had them in the past and used them on his own people. It was a legit reason to go war.

You didn't tell the Irakis any of that.

You have no clue about what the troops are actually doing in Iraq, do you? After reading this post it seems like you think our troops are riding through the cities, gun blazing and shooting at anything that moves. I guess you don't consider flat out telling the Iraqi's that we were giving them freedom and safety and that we would help them rebuild their country so they can finally live some decent lives. I guess that doesn't count as telling them any of that. You are an idiot.

You told them that they had dangerous weapons that they don't have.

We NEVER said the Iraqi people were the enemies. We said we were there to help them. The bad guys were Saddam and his loyalists. His regime is who we went after when we invaded. We were there to help the Iraqi's and get Saddam out of power for our good and for theirs. There is nothing wrong with that. We never said they had weapons. You need to get your facts straight.

You removed their tyrant and replaced it with complete chaos where innocent people die everyday for nothing, where the basics like food, water, a roof..., barely exist anymore.

First off, the country is in chaos but that's because we removed a government while trying to install a new democracy which relies on teamwork and the country uniting together. We thought they would unite and help fight for their freedom but they haven't. It's been a big let down. As for them not having food or water or anything like that...not true. We've improved their country in a TON of areas. Places like Baghdad are still bad because it is the center of the attacks but many of the areas outside of Baghdad and around Iraq have been rebuilt and are better than they were when we got there. Our troops (The Fightin' Seabees!) have built them schools and are actually using the water treatment plants they had set up. They had hundreds and hundreds of water treatment plants in Iraq but they NEVER used them. Saddam wouldn't fund them to use it. They are now up and running. So despite what you think you know, the country is actually better in some aspects. Right now there is chaos, specifically in Baghdad, but you have to fight through that.

Stop misusing the concepts of "democracy" and "freedom", you didn't bring the Irakis any of that, and they didn't ask you to either.

That's funny because I seem to remember the Iraqi's LOVING our troops when we first came in back in 2003. They loved us and they wanted us here. Now, if you ask them now most of them will say they want us gone because we have failed to deliver what we promised them we would. When we came in there we told them we'd oust Saddam and install a safe democracy. They would be free. We have yet to provide the security they thought they would have. They want freedom. They HATED Saddam. Do you really think they wanted to live under the opression of Saddam? No, they wanted freedom and they appreciated that we came to free them. However, things have gone south and they are frustrated with the lack of security. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that Iraqi's are cowards. That's my take on it. They should be uniting and standing up to help free their country but most of them are scared and doing nothing. It's hard to rebuild a country and overturn a government when the will of the people isn't very strong. They were happy and they wanted freedom but it seems like they aren't willing to pay the cost to get it. That's my two cents.

Way to live in denial...

Right back atcha.

Not sure what dimension you live in, but the vast majority of the world doesn't give a shit about the US but does value peace and diplomacy.

If they care about peace then why in the world did they give Saddam a slap on the wrist for killing his own people? Why did they refuse to enforce the sanctions Saddam was breaking? Why did they refuse to extend the sanctions that were about to expire prior to the invasion? They did nothing. They didn't want to do anything. France and Russia were caught with their hands in the cookie jar illegally trading with Iraq. They were profiting from Saddam which is why they did not want him ousted. They didn't support the war because they were going to lose money with Saddam being de-throned, not because they valued peace and diplomacy.

hey precisely care enough for Irak to be against the senseless, continuous killing of its citizens and destruction of its infrastructures.

Yes, our troops are going around blowing away the Iraqi brains. You are an idiot. The civilians aren't being killed by U.S. troops. They are being killed by their own and our troops are simply caught in the crossfire. In some cases, our troops are the general targets. Our troops have STRICT (too strict) rules of engagement which favor the terrorists and inserguents. Our troops aren't killing as many innocent Iraqi's as you think they are and I find it disgusting that you think they are. You seem to have this idea in your mind that we are at war with Iraq. We are there to help Iraq and it's people. I don't care if you think we are there for oil (even though, like I said, all the oil money is going right back to the Iraqi's) but the fact of the matter is right now it's all about the Iraqi's. We are trying to help them out whether you admit it or not. I don't really care what you think because thank god you aren't in any kind of leadership role. You'd suck at it.

I'm not American, and you better believe that I'm against this stupid war.

Of course you aren't American, you don't have the gonads to be American.

So how exactly are you helping Iraq right now? By destroying its people's entire way of life and contributing to what will be the next generations of jihadists?

We were trying to help Iraq by ousting an evil dictator who had mass graves of his own people. A man who would rape and torture his own people everyday. You are so short-sighted.

Well, actually it's called common sense.

You have no common sense.

What the hell is this submissive nature towards Iran? "oh yes, please abduct 15 british soldiers, we wont do anything but ignore it".

Heh, but wait, maybe you disagreed with it Cryanide but decided not to say anything about it. It wouldn't be the first time you've done that. That's the honourable Canadian way to do things.

Riot, people will always criticise no matter what America does. It's classic insecurity.

There's something called diplomacy, but since you're a big fan of unleashing your primordial instincts, I guess the smartest thing to do is start a war with Iran, eh? Oh noes, 15 British men were abducted by Iran! I guess that's good enough for a war! Fuck diplomacy, boys, let's kiss common sense good-bye and nuke those jihad bastards! I'm sure we can afford to lose another 30 000 of our own men for a good cause! Nobody's gonna notice those 100 000 accidental civilian casualties; I mean, we got smart bombs! Why focus on homeland security when we can get to them before they get to us? They got 15 British soldiers, and we ain't gonna ignore that! We ain't submissive pansies, cuz we are men! Real men!

Matthew, I nominate you for the Nobel Peace Prize.

It's not like Iran is just starting to become a problem. We have been trying to talk to them for a long time. This is nearing the boiling point. I'm not saying we should go to war but it's not like that is such an extreme option. Iran is asking for trouble and from what I understand the people of Iran are sick of the regime that is in control. I heard the youth is pretty much revolting. I think Dro could give us more info on that though since he is from Iran.

He has had them in the past and used them on his own people. It was a legit reason to go war.

He's had them in the past because your beloved government sold them these weapons.

I guess you don't consider flat out telling the Iraqi's that we were giving them freedom and safety and that we would help them rebuild their country so they can finally live some decent lives. I guess that doesn't count as telling them any of that. You are an idiot.

You must be fucking high or something. Safety and freedom?? Pull your head outta your ass for a sec and stop repeating the bullshit your hear on Fox News or from your parents. You don't know shit about shit, I'm not gonna take insults from a useless redneck brat.

So despite what you think you know, the country is actually better in some aspects.

Then you should probably tell that to the Irakis, I'm not sure they noticed these improvements yet.

That's funny because I seem to remember the Iraqi's LOVING our troops when we first came in back in 2003. They loved us and they wanted us here.

Once again, a brain can come in quite handy, and the News Corp affiliates are not the best way to get informed. They only showed you what you wanted to see.
Nobody was happy to see the US troops, they were not welcomed with flowers and kisses, deal with it.

France and Russia were caught with their hands in the cookie jar illegally trading with Iraq. They were profiting from Saddam which is why they did not want him ousted.

Exactly like the US. The Iran-Irak war, does that ring a bell?

We are trying to help them out whether you admit it or not. I don't really care what you think because thank god you aren't in any kind of leadership role. You'd suck at it.

How the fuck is that even relevant? Leadership??

I could quote every single sentence of your posts and show how retarded your views are, but I don't even know why I'm wasting my time on a douchebag like you. Might as well reason with a goddamn ape.

It's not like Iran is just starting to become a problem. We have been trying to talk to them for a long time. This is nearing the boiling point. I'm not saying we should go to war but it's not like that is such an extreme option. Iran is asking for trouble and from what I understand the people of Iran are sick of the regime that is in control. I heard the youth is pretty much revolting. I think Dro could give us more info on that though since he is from Iran.

Don't know where you're getting some of this information from dawg, but the U.S. has not "been trying to talk to them for a long time" at all. In fact, in 2003, Iran offered to have dialogue with the U.S. regarding full cooperation on their nuclear program, acceptance of Israel as a state, and termination of Iranian support for Palestinian militant groups. This was when Iran's government appeared to be very weak, and American strength appeared to be at its height. Of course, the Bush administration ignored the proposal.

So, you'd be correct in saying Iran has been a problem for a while, but it was the Bush Administration's lack of willingness to cooperate that has escalated the situation. The Iranian government believes that the U.S. doesn't care about Iran's policies, and the only way to gain attention and respect is through power. So, one could say that if the Bush Administration had held dialogue with Iran back in 2003, the relationship between the two nations wouldn't be as tense as it is right now.

And you're right about the Iranian's attitude towards the regime. In fact, the biggest thing the U.S. has going for it right now in the Middle East is the willingness of Iran's youth to adopt a semi-Western lifestyle. HOWEVER, my biggest fear is that Iran's youth will turn against the West if their country is invaded by the U.S. That's why war with Iran would be a pretty drastic move.

The U.S. government needs to stop asking for unconditional terms and they need to start NEGOTIATING. Negotiation means you will not always get everything that you want, but the compromise that is reached benefits both sides more than the alternative (war). The U.S. needs to understand that other countries don't see the U.S. as a trustworthy, do-all-good force. the Iranian government trusts the U.S. government as much as the U.S. government trusts the Iranian government, and our policymakers need to realize this. Negotiations are 2-way, and the result of negotiation will always be better than the result of war.

First off, spell IRAQ fucking right. You nitwit.

Secondly, 90% of the news agencies are liberal. They aren't showing us what we "want to see". Have you watched the news lately? It's all negative. They aren't force feeding us heart warming tales of our soldiers doing good. So it's the exact opposite. I'm getting my information from three primary sources. I know three soldiers who have been in Iraq for atleast one tour (I know one that has been to Iraq twice and his unit is actually being sent back over there in the next few months).

So believe it or not, my information is coming from primary sources. I question where you are getting your information from. You say the new agencies are biased and right minded...so where do you get your information from? I think you probably get yours from the press unless you know some Iraqi's or troops who served in Iraq.

I know for a fact the troops were welcomed with open arms. The Iraqi's would even give our troops tea. My friend's brother says he can't even count how many times he was kissed by Iraqi's (I guess it's a cultural greeting). They don't hate us for our presence there. They are thankful we ousted Saddam. The ones that are attacking our troops and the civilians are not the Iraqi's we are fighting for. They are terrorists and a good majority of them aren't even Iraqi! The ones who are Iraqi are probably doing it for money more than anything else.

I boggles my mind how someone like you can be so hypocritical. I don't watch Fox News. I don't really watch ANY news. I see the headlines when I log onto MSN but that's it. I think you are the one who watches news and gets the filtered results and information. You should be the one checking your facts.

Good riddance and good night.

First off, spell IRAQ fucking right. You nitwit.

In my language, Iraq is spelled with a "k". Not everything has to do with English spelling you stupid piece of shit.

I know for a fact the troops were welcomed with open arms. The Iraqi's would even give our troops tea.

Oh you were there I guess? Or did you see that on iwannalickkarlrovesballs.com?
Do us all a favor and keep your ignorance to yourself.

The ones who are Iraqi are probably doing it for money more than anything else.

What a moron
Money?? From whom?? They're doing it because the US have invaded their country and done everything to insult their faith and annihilate their way of life.

I think you are the one who watches news and gets the filtered results and information. You should be the one checking your facts.

Yeah that must be that...
You're hopeless.
Don't forget your Junior Minutemen meeting tomorrow...oh wait, on Monday it's NRA, right?

Gentlemen, we can have this discussion without personal insults.

Riot, I find it interesting that you don't watch any news what so ever yet consider yourself informed. I'm presuming that you also don't read newspapers, web sites etc. as they all share the same bias you accuse televised newscasts of; in which case, I find it tough to believe you have the slightest clue of what you're talking about. Fact is, no matter where you're getting your information from, there's some sort of spin on it.

there's some sort of spin on it.

Unless it's from Bill O'Reilly... wah wah wahhhh

"This is the No Spin Zone"

In my language, Iraq is spelled with a "k". Not everything has to do with English spelling you stupid piece of shit.

You live in American...speak American.

Oh you were there I guess? Or did you see that on iwannalickkarlrovesballs.com?
Do us all a favor and keep your ignorance to yourself.

Did you even read my post? I know people who have been to Iraq a number of times. I trust them more than I trust you...thats for damn sure.

What a moron
Money?? From whom?? They're doing it because the US have invaded their country and done everything to insult their faith and annihilate their way of life.

Are you really that dense? Who do you think is recruiting these people to attack our troops? They pay people to attack our troops and to cause havoc.

Many insurgents conducting attacks in Iraq are primarily motivated by money instead of ideology, he said.


Citing interviews with captured detainees, the general said some simple attacks, such as placing a bomb or mine, are performed for as little as $100 or $150.


"So we believe that this insurgency is driven in large measure by money," Vines said, suggesting the insurgency's ideological supporters are funding the attacks. Some bombings cost hundreds of dollars or more, he said.

Riot, I find it interesting that you don't watch any news what so ever yet consider yourself informed. I'm presuming that you also don't read newspapers, web sites etc. as they all share the same bias you accuse televised newscasts of; in which case, I find it tough to believe you have the slightest clue of what you're talking about. Fact is, no matter where you're getting your information from, there's some sort of spin on it.

Most of the news I get from Iraq is either from headlines or from my brother's friends or my cousin who are in Iraq or are back from it. I do read articles on the internet but not that much anymore since I've simply become too busy. I don't think I'm an expert on it but it frustrates me when people think it's the U.S. Troops against the Iraqi population. They wanted us here and they respect us and thank us for helping them. But once again, it really doesn't matter what you think and I'm sure you will continue to think the current way you do. You think you are right and that is great. I'm happy for you. Congrats.

In my language, Iraq is spelled with a "k". Not everything has to do with English spelling you stupid piece of shit.

You live in American...speak American.

You'll have to excuse my laughter here. I just hope you were being ignorant for comedic purposes.

Riot, I find it interesting that you don't watch any news what so ever yet consider yourself informed. I'm presuming that you also don't read newspapers, web sites etc. as they all share the same bias you accuse televised newscasts of; in which case, I find it tough to believe you have the slightest clue of what you're talking about. Fact is, no matter where you're getting your information from, there's some sort of spin on it.

Most of the news I get from Iraq is either from headlines or from my brother's friends or my cousin who are in Iraq or are back from it. I do read articles on the internet but not that much anymore since I've simply become too busy. I don't think I'm an expert on it but it frustrates me when people think it's the U.S. Troops against the Iraqi population. They wanted us here and they respect us and thank us for helping them. But once again, it really doesn't matter what you think and I'm sure you will continue to think the current way you do. You think you are right and that is great. I'm happy for you. Congrats.

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Eh, anybody who thinks it's the U.S. troops against the Iraqi population isn't worth wasting breath on. However, stating boldly that "they wanted us here and they respect us" arguably represents a similar portion of people who wish we'd of just left them alone from the get go. As I said, it's all about spin. Some spin to say we're the evil warmongers, and some say we're crusading for all that is good in this world. Realistically, we're likely somewhere in between, slanting one way or another depending on who and what you believe.

If you're not watching the news due to time constraints, that's one thing. However, I tend to enjoy catching as much news coverage from as many angles as I can get, and formulating my own opinions on things. I also have a number of friends who have been and/or are still stationed over in Iraq, so I get that view of it too, and while I've gotten a few stories similar to the ones you're speaking of that your brother's friends and cousin have told you, I've also heard my fair share of polar opposites. The bottom line is there is no concrete answer to something as complex as what's going on, and anybody who tries to simplify it to that level just isn't doing the last several years justice.

Of course, there are some bad seeds and sometimes our troops do bad things. There have been times where our troops did attack innocent Iraqi's and that was a very bad mistake. Like you said, you cannot simplify war but you also can't paint it in a pretty picture. War is bad and people can't expect it to be all peaches and cream during it. People need to have patience.

However, for the most part our troops are doing good in Iraq and I think a lot of the Iraqi's notice it and appreciate it. The policies in Iraq suck and need changing and I was hoping with Rumsfeld out something would change but so far not much has. The biggest issue I've been hearing about it is there are so many troops there from different services and countries that it is hard for them to communicate and work effectively together when they are out "behind the wire." That, and the whole rules of engagement have really stopped our troops from catching a lot of the bad guys. Another big thing I hear is about false intelligence which is another reason why more and more people are starting to grow sick of our forces presence. But at the time of the invasion we really were accepted in large part across the country. We were looked at as liberators. Now...as time goes on less and less people think that but at one point we were the good guys in Iraq. We probably still are but we need to do something to change the tide. I'm not sure what though but pulling out is not the solution.

Riot, I find it interesting that you don't watch any news what so ever yet consider yourself informed. I'm presuming that you also don't read newspapers, web sites etc. as they all share the same bias you accuse televised newscasts of; in which case, I find it tough to believe you have the slightest clue of what you're talking about. Fact is, no matter where you're getting your information from, there's some sort of spin on it.

Most of the news I get from Iraq is either from headlines or from my brother's friends or my cousin who are in Iraq or are back from it. I do read articles on the internet but not that much anymore since I've simply become too busy. I don't think I'm an expert on it but it frustrates me when people think it's the U.S. Troops against the Iraqi population. They wanted us here and they respect us and thank us for helping them. But once again, it really doesn't matter what you think and I'm sure you will continue to think the current way you do. You think you are right and that is great. I'm happy for you. Congrats.

So you're justifying your argument on news headlines and the perspective of 2 or so people that were there. No offence, but that is really piss weak evidence. I am positive I could speak to 2 Germans who were alive in 1942 who hadn't seen any Jews be murdered or any trains heading to concentration camps. As a result it must mean the Holocaust never happened. You can't disregard opposing evidence because even though it can be exaggerated and distorted, it is merely fiction and fantasy. This kind of 'news' doesn't spawn itself, so there must be at least a little truth behind it.

No doubt some Iraqi's would be in full support of American troops there, but just like in the US where there is support for and against the war, there would be opposition to American troops in Iraq as well. Any denial of the fact would be a gross underestimation of the state of the war there, and in my opinion would discredit the soldiers who are over there trying to fight this guerrilla style war, in areas with and without local support. To say they have complete local support would be, in my view. saying their job isn't as difficult as the media portrays it.

When did I say they had complete local support? I said I think at the point of invasion the majority of the Iraqi's were supporting us and that is true. I said as the war rages on less and less are. That is the truth.

I use to watch the news and read articles a lot more often then I do now. I think your example of my sources is a little off but completely understood. However, it's el badman who is saying I get all my information from the spin of the media and I shouldn't listen ot everything the media tells me to. When in fact I don't listen to the media for the most part and now you are telling me I should do it more often? I was being bashed for listening to the media (even when I don't do it all that much anymore) and now I'm being bashed for not listening to the media. Lose/Lose.

I wouldn't consider Ty-Land's post 'bashing' in any sense of the word. Aside from your little piss fest with el badman, there's some healthy discussion going on here.

We need to all keep in mind that discussion is a good thing; even heated discussion. At the same time we must understand the difference in stating our beliefs, and trying to convince others to follow our beliefs. The former is great, as it keeps people informed on differing opinions on various topics. The latter is where problems occur. We're on an internet forum, folks. Don't try and sell your views. No good ever comes from it. Stating them and backing them, though, can be great.

US to Declare War on Iran, Good Friday

At quick glance i thought this meant the US were declaring war on Iran and Good Friday. That's just not winnable.

When did I say they had complete local support? I said I think at the point of invasion the majority of the Iraqi's were supporting us and that is true. I said as the war rages on less and less are. That is the truth.

I merely questioned your evidence, which in my view is severely lacking even though I do support some of your arguments

I use to watch the news and read articles a lot more often then I do now. I think your example of my sources is a little off but completely understood. However, it's el badman who is saying I get all my information from the spin of the media and I shouldn't listen ot everything the media tells me to. When in fact I don't listen to the media for the most part and now you are telling me I should do it more often? I was being bashed for listening to the media (even when I don't do it all that much anymore) and now I'm being bashed for not listening to the media. Lose/Lose.

I think you just need grounded sources, as well as a more objective and critical view. So that means not necessarily believing or agreeing with everything. If you decide to study at Uni, you will find as you get older to become a more critical thinker. That is not an attack or an insult, it is just fact. It's just one of those things that develop over time as you gain perspective with age, it happens to everyone. You'll also find a lot of your political views will change or deviate as well.

However, it's el badman who is saying I get all my information from the spin of the media and I shouldn't listen ot everything the media tells me to.

I guess I wasn't clear enough.
I meant that it's in your interest to try to get informed through specific medias that would be widely considered as neutral (as much as medias can be at least).
By giving us your side of the story and repeating things that we heard many many times on medias that would be considered as openly conservative (particularly the constant hammering of concepts like "freedom", "terrorists", "they wanted us there",...), that tells me that you must be mostly getting your news from these sources (or that you used to at least).
You don't speak like someone who watches the BBC segment on PBS for example.
I might be wrong, but that's the way it sounds.