Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:42 am
Maybe it's just the Islamists, but why was there a Islamic/Arab empire and why are other religions and/or anything in violation of Islam punishible by death in most Muslim majority nations?
Also your "troops on Arab soil" reason is impossible to accept. No forces were "on Arab soil" prior to 9/11 and Bali as they had either withdrawn or were not already there in the case of the Aussies. No Canadian or German forces are on Arab soil despite being targeted recently. Also it's hard to accept because Muslims aren't Arab.
No, the Islamists goal is the defeat of the West and a domination of the world. Just like the Fascist and Communists they follow in the footsteps of. Pretending that just packing up and leaving the Middle East and taking Israel with us would solve everything is foolish. It's like believing that Hitler would be satisified with the Sudetenland.
Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:59 am
Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:18 pm
You realize Osama Bin Laden's whole plan was to bring American troops to the Middle East? The whole thinking behind 9/11 was that it would cause America to come into the Middle East to fight a war with the Islamists. They wanted us to come and fight. This is their jihad. He didn't execute 9/11 so we would leave the Middle East because he knows that wouldn't happen. He did it so we would come into the Middle East with the intent to fight. Before 9/11 all operations in the Middle East were strictly peace keeping. You can thank the Islamists now for the wars going on in the Middle East. They wanted it and they are getting it.
Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:40 pm
wisdom_kid wrote:You realize Osama Bin Laden's whole plan was to bring American troops to the Middle East? The whole thinking behind 9/11 was that it would cause America to come into the Middle East to fight a war with the Islamists. They wanted us to come and fight. This is their jihad. He didn't execute 9/11 so we would leave the Middle East because he knows that wouldn't happen. He did it so we would come into the Middle East with the intent to fight. Before 9/11 all operations in the Middle East were strictly peace keeping. You can thank the Islamists now for the wars going on in the Middle East. They wanted it and they are getting it.
I am just stunned. I want to laugh but i think you are serious. Seriously, i really dont know what to say.![]()
Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:51 pm
Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:45 pm
You think Osama Bin Laden didn't have this in mind? You think he did 9/11 so we would pull out? He isn't stupid like you. He knows if you attack someone, especially America, they will fight back. That was their whole plan. They wanted to draw us to their turf.
Wisdom Kid, I really hope you aren't supporting Al Qaeda's beliefs/actions. Al Qaeda is an organization who's intent is to kill civilians, and that's a fact. I support Hezbollah because I believe their intent is defending themselves, not killing civilians. Al Qaeda is an evil organization who hides behind Islam, and gives all Muslims a bad name.
Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:50 pm
Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:31 pm
wisdom_kid wrote:I always support who I think is right.
Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:22 am
Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:04 am
Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:28 am
wisdom_kid wrote: really don't know where you are getting your information from. I lived in Saudi Arabia for a while, and even today my dad tells me stories that happened in Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia being the main "Arab" country has strict rules based on Islam, and for every violation there is a justified punishment. eg: stealing/robbing a house or store has the punishment of losing your hand. I have never heard of killing a person for violating a rule.
Saudi Arabia on April 16, 2001, five homosexuals were sentenced to 2,600 lashes and 6 years in prison, and four others to 2,400 lashes and 5 years’ imprisonment for “deviant sexual behavior.” Amnesty International subsequently reported that six men were executed on charges of deviant sexual behavior
It is difficult to establish precisely the number of homosexuals that have been executed in Iran since the Islamic revolution in 1979, since not all sentences are widely publicized, but estimates range from several hundred to 4,000 (3). According to Amnesty International, at least three homosexual men and two lesbians were publicly beheaded in January 1990. The Islamic Penal Law Against Homosexuals, approved in July 1991 and ratified in November of that year, is simple. Article 110: “Punishment for sodomy is killing; the Sharia judge decides on how to carry out the killing.” Article 129: “Punishment for lesbianism is one hundred (100) lashes for each party.” Article 131: “If the act of lesbianism is repeated three times and punishment is enforced each time, the death sentence will be issued the fourth time.”
Other Muslim countries were also being invaded by countries; like Chechnya, Bosnia, Palestine and Kashmir. Canada currently has troops in Afghanistan.
I don't know how you speak on the behalf of the Islamists. Islamic leaders don't want to defeat the west for simply being the west. The reason the West is called the Infidels because their lifestyles are affecting the world, I know there isn't anything to stop that but that is part of the reason. The other reason you know is the Western troops being in Muslim countries. I really think you have some sort of hatred towards Muslims, why do you keep relating Hitler and Nazis to Islamists? Pretty sad.
Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:01 am
benji wrote:You also cannot deny the history of Muslim expansion and attempts at world domination. Hell, Mohammed started things off by conquering the Arabian peninsula, pushing out peoples of other religions by many means. And this was after he had already repelled the invasion from Mecca and reached a peace treaty. He and his followers still tried to expand Islam, they weren't happy with what they had. I intially wouldn't blame Muhammed as much as his followers, after all they started things by blaming, murdering (beheading) and enslaving Jews after the battle of the trench without real evidence, they are the ones to launch war to conquer the world from Spain to India. But on the other hand, Muhammed never hesistated to abandon doctrines to secure a political end.
Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:39 am
And that's just homosexuals. There's been a rash of murders by Muslims of Christians. It's big in Africa and the Phillipines. It's by people cut from the same cloth as the Islamists and those who are regularly fired up by them.
What does this have to do with attacking America on 9/11? Russia's in Chechnya and it's been the Chechen's who attacked, such as the barbarians at Beslan. The Balkins were a major example of Americans attempting to help protect Muslims, like in Kuwait. No American troops have ever wandered into "Palestine" (which only recently re-existed) and Kashmir.