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Wed Aug 02, 2006 8:10 am

8-Hype wrote:I hope this war is over soon, because it results in too many tiffs. :twisted:


Discussion is healthy, dude. In most cases when I argue a point, it makes my faith in that point stronger. I'm sure the same is true for you as well. :)

Wed Aug 02, 2006 8:15 am

Of course it is, but at some point I just get tired of discussions.

Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:35 pm

Enough of the ass-kissing and pointless put-downs. You're making yourself look like a jackass.

Funny how when someone is in agreement with what I say, you pick up on it and call it arse kissing. But when others do it, you ignore it. How is Arvin these days anyway? :crazy:.
And I want to give a biiiig thank you to Matthew and 8-Hype for continuing to pull out the race card! Not once have I called either of you Anti-Arab or Anti-Muslim, but if someone disagrees with Israel, they're an Anti-Semite all of a sudden.

What the fuck. You are anti jew, you said that yourself by saying the jewish influence in america is bad. How can you even try to rationalise otherwise without contradicting yourself?
Matthew, let me ask you this: Israel has held countless Palestinians, Lebonese, and other Arabs in jail for no apparent reason. Israel has blocked pregnant mothers from getting to the hospital when they are in labor, Isreal is beating up little kids who are simply playing in the streets with toy guns. In other words Israel is starting another Holocaust. In the month of June, 600 Palestinian civilians died in the whole month, and only one Israeli soldier died. And you dont call the last-resort kidnapping of two soldiers, after numerous peaceful pleas, for the release of a few Lebonese civilians, who have been wrongly held in jail, justified? Seriously, use some logic.

You can't be serious. You are condoning and praising kidnapping, then you wonder why you get no sympathy from anyone apart from people attempting to make a political point. This is not about Palestiene and Israel. I'm not over there, I don't trust any media outlet on the correct numbers so I wont pretend that I do. But the mere fact that you try to justify a kidnapping shows your lack of logic.
Huh? You're obviously not reading what me and Dream have been writing. Israel has 3 Lebanese prisoners and THOUSANDS of innocent Palestinian and Lebanese prisoners. The ONLY reason Hezbollah kidnapped the two soldiers was for an exchange. Do you support the killing of over 500 civilians, rather than a prisoner-swap?

How exactly do you know they are innocent? The fact is they are prisoners, not hostages. There is a huge difference.
If Israel honestly, truly was trying to kill the least amount of civilians they could, they would send in ground troops. Instead, they use bombs that knock down buildings. Israel says that they're very sad, blah blah blah, but it's obvious they don't give a damn when they kill civilians!

It doesn't matter if they are sad or not. The fact remains they don't target civillians, at least in the same manner that terrorist organisations as hezbollah do.
You say Hezbollah targets civilians...do you realize how innacurate the rockets Hezbollah uses are? Yesterday, Hezbollah launched over 120 rockets and not one Israeli was killed. But, of course, Hezbollah is targeting the civilians...right.

It's hardly isreal's fault that the state of hezbollah is that of early last century. If hezbollah could be more effective and kill more people, they would.
But, if Hezbollah is not firing out of Beirut, but civilians in Beirut are dying, that makes your whole point moot.

They live within civillians. If the "fighters" from hezbollah didn't want civilians to die, they'd take the fighting ouyt of the cities. But they dont. They want more people to die, even their own becuase idiots will criticise isreal even more for that. Yay way to go the EU and UN! Just sit and criticise. And people have the ordasidity to say America and co is bad.
This is the most rediculous comment I've heard yet. Dream already commented on this...how the hell are the Lebanese people supposed to get out without roads, freeways, bridges, and airports? Not to mention, the people that are still in Lebanon are people who have nowhere to go. The casualties are not going to stop.

Criticised for not having a ceasefire, criticised for having a ceasefire.. make your mind up. If Australians were able to be evacuated during that ceasefire from Lebannon, then there must be some escape route.
No, I don't. Honestly, if I was running a country and my soldiers were kidnapped, and I was left with two choices; Soldier exchange, or war that could eventually kill thousands of people, including some of my own, I would choose the prior. That's my logic.

So you're saying you'd let a rougue state bomb away and kidnap and murder your civillians without retaliation. Wow, what leadership! You could be the president of france one day.

Fri Aug 04, 2006 11:21 pm

Some corrections:

1_ Missiles are guided rockets. They are more accurate and of course more deadly. Rockets, like the Katiushas Hezbollah fires, are just propelled projectiles aimed just like old WW2 artillery. Israel has missiles, Hezbollah don't.

2_ Many arabic folks are semite descendants. This isn't an exclusive condition of jews, so calling antisemite to the people who criticize the jews isn't correct.

3_ The problem in Israel isn't circunscribed just to jew people. The problem is the sionist people. They are radical jews similar to musleem fundamentalist terrorists. Actually Israel has a sionist militaristic government supported by the majority of people like the Hamas terrorist government supported by his new democracy in Palestine.

This conflict is just another page in the state terrorism policy practiced by Israel almost since their creation. As You see there is "good" terrorism (state terrorism practiced by Israel, the USA, and all of his minor allies like the taliban in the war against the old USSR) and "evil" terrorism (practiced by all the enemies of the USA and Israel).

This conflict (because calling it war looking at the strongest army of the world fighting against a little guerrilla is just ridicolous) will not end soon. Israel has plans for the region and they will surely waste most of Lebanon territory. This is just another example of the futility of the UN (a mere puppet of the USA at his start and actually a ridicolous institution capable of nothing) and the lie democratic governments are.

PD: Joe, I agree with you completely man. You could sound way too radical for some people but you are just telling the f*****g truth.

Sat Aug 05, 2006 12:47 am

2_ Many arabic folks are semite descendants. This isn't an exclusive condition of jews, so calling antisemite to the people who criticize the jews isn't correct.


Well, Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are all semitic religions, but deliberate hatred and put downs of Jews is anti-semitism.

Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:38 am

good post mercyless,

anyway here is an excerpt from an article on bbcnews

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5243758.stm

Lebanon says more than 900 people have died since then, most of them civilians. Israel has lost 27 civilians and 40 soldiers.


if thats true, then hizbullahs missiles are killing more soldiers than civilians, whereas israel is just bombing civilians hoping one of them will be hizbullah

Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:53 am

wow.. ive had no phone/internet/tv or seen any newspapers in awhile, until today i never knew what has really been going on. its amazing how things like this develop so quickly, i may be wrong, but i remember seeing sumthing a while ago were israel was threatening lebanon, but nuthing had happened, then i go online and see this? the world is crazy...

Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:59 am

Matthew,

You quote nearly everything I said, except the little tid-bit about how Hezbollah has killed more soldiers than civilians. 40 dead Israeli soldiers, about 27 dead civilians. Israel has killed 900 civilians and supposedly 300 Hezbollah fighters (Hezbollah has not said an official amount). Do the math, then come back to me regarding who targets civilians.

You are anti jew, you said that yourself by saying the jewish influence in america is bad.


I said it's a bad thing that there is so much Jewish (I should've said Israeli, my bad) influence in the Senate because we give WAY too much to Israel.

You conveniently skipped the post where I said:

^^^ Uhh...you went a bit too far buddy.


After Joe Said:

So I'm convinced that probably, if Hitler would have killed twenty million jews then the world would be a better place now.


You still want to call me anti-Jewish? Go ahead if you want, if it makes you feel better.

Criticised for not having a ceasefire, criticised for having a ceasefire.. make your mind up.


They should never have made this situation in the first place. They should have given people a chance to get out before they started bombing the airport, roads, freeways, and bridges. What good is a ceasefire once there's no escape route?

Israel didn't even follow it's own ceasefire...they launched air strikes just hours after they called the bogus ceasefire.

I feel like I've said all I need to regarding this. I come up with reasons that this war is corrupt and unjustified, yet all you do is try to argue against my points. Are you arguing just for the sake of arguing? How about you tell me why this war is Justified from Israel's standpoint. Then we can have a real discussion.

Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:16 pm

Matthew wrote:
Enough of the ass-kissing and pointless put-downs. You're making yourself look like a jackass.

Funny how when someone is in agreement with what I say, you pick up on it and call it arse kissing. But when others do it, you ignore it. How is Arvin these days anyway? :crazy:.


Uh, normally I'd ignore ass-kissing comments, but he made four posts that annoyed me enough to say something about it. It had nothing to do with what you wrote. :roll:

As for Arvin, I wouldn't know, I don't talk to him anymore.

Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:19 pm

You quote nearly everything I said, except the little tid-bit about how Hezbollah has killed more soldiers than civilians. 40 dead Israeli soldiers, about 27 dead civilians. Israel has killed 900 civilians and supposedly 300 Hezbollah fighters (Hezbollah has not said an official amount). Do the math, then come back to me regarding who targets civilians.

I had about 15 quotes to respond to, and I indirectly responded to that particular point. Also remember a huge reason for the civillian loss of life is because the hezbollah "fighters" are wearing civillian clothes and living amongst civillians. Isreal can't be held accountable for that, and surely you can see that plays a huge part in the high amount of deaths.

But, you also have to remember this is a war. There are bound to be civillian casualities, especially when one side is breaking nearly every law of war (as i stated before).

^^^ Uhh...you went a bit too far buddy.

Wow way to put your neck out there and stand up for an injustice "i think you overstepped the mark"...
You still want to call me anti-Jewish? Go ahead if you want, if it makes you feel better.

I will when you act as if there is one only side to this war. I will when you act as if Hezzbolah has done nothing. I will while you continue to condone and endorse kidnappings, bombings and murders of innocent civillians and then scream bloody murder when Lebonese die. I will when you say the Jewish influence in america is bad (I dont care if you finally retracted your comment. im not a mind reader and can't be expected to know exactly what you meant by your initial statement).

They should never have made this situation in the first place. They should have given people a chance to get out before they started bombing the airport, roads, freeways, and bridges. What good is a ceasefire once there's no escape route?

Oh yeah great idea. Let the terrorists just walk out the front door. Great idea :roll:

I feel like I've said all I need to regarding this. I come up with reasons that this war is corrupt and unjustified, yet all you do is try to argue against my points. Are you arguing just for the sake of arguing? How about you tell me why this war is Justified from Israel's standpoint. Then we can have a real discussion.

Funny, Ben made a great post and you ignored that. The thing with Isreal is they are being held to a much higher standard. They have endured countless suicide bombings and missile attacks from Palestine and Lebanon. They have had their soldiers abducted and murdered and the reaction from their neighbouring countries is one of celebration. What do you expect them to do? Negotiate with animals? You cannot justify that to me or any other open minded person.

There comes a time when talking and negotiating doesn't work. Thats why Iraq had to happen, and thats why this had to happen. People sit in judgement over world war 2, asking "why didnt anyone step in and stop nazi germany?", but yet when a similar situation happens in iraq, people sit and criticise the actions of countries attempting to get rid of a dictator. There comes a time when a country has to defend itself, and somtimes by defending yourself you have to attack. If Lebanon wants to harbour and celebrate terrorists, well then they have to pay the consequences. The rest of the world isn't going to allow our lives dictated to us by extremists of any nature. It's just that simple.

Sun Aug 06, 2006 2:31 am

They have endured countless suicide bombings and missile attacks from Palestine and Lebanon. They have had their soldiers abducted and murdered and the reaction from their neighbouring countries is one of celebration. What do you expect them to do? Negotiate with animals? You cannot justify that to me or any other open minded person



You're still not able to understand that Israel has also done crimes that are just as evil and bad...

No, I am not saying Hizbullah is correct, but you have to recognize that both sides are fighting in self defense...

Hizbullah is feeling the exact same way as Israel, their countrymen are being abducted and imprisoned, and Israel wont do anything about it, theyy wont listen to any negotions

so using your logic that israels attacks are justified, so is hizbullahs

Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:39 am

I don't get why this is titled Leboanon/Isreal. Lebanon doesn't like Hizballah, but doesn't side with Israel to prevent a civil war.

Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:50 am

It sickens me that you guys are condemning Israel for the death total. Israel has done more than enough to prevent innocent causalities over the years. The problem with the whole crisis is Hezbollah. They don’t care about innocent lives being killed as long as it will benefit themselves. That is why they build their headquarters in high populated regions and place their missiles and launching pads inside innocent civilian’s homes. They know that the civilized world will do whatever it takes to prevent innocent loss of life. Israel has done that time and time again.

There have been numerous times where Israel has intelligence that Hezbollah leaders are meeting inside a building and they have the firepower to take those guys out. However, those leaders are often in a multi-story building surrounded by homes and innocent life. Instead of flattening the building and getting their guys they decide not to or to use a smaller bomb that will only destroy the top floor of the target building, which they usually aren’t in.

You are showing a lack of focus if you point the finger at Israel here. Instead of condemning them we should be condemning Hezbollah and taking a stand against them. The world should stand up and tell them no more human shields. No more dragging innocent women and children into buildings with you so you don’t get attacked. No more placing weapons in innocent families’ homes. No more. President Bush already said that he doesn’t expect America to be involved in any military operations in Israel or Lebanon and I think that is a mistake. The world can fuck around and mess up this chance to rid the world of some thoughtless people. The only way to end this violence is to kill them. It won’t be quick and it won’t be pretty but it’s the only way to insure, in the long run, that more innocent lives aren’t wasted and used by these cold-blooded killers. And I’m not talking about the Israelis.

Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:15 pm

Riot wrote:It sickens me that you guys are condemning Israel for the death total. Israel has done more than enough to prevent innocent causalities over the years. The problem with the whole crisis is Hezbollah. They don’t care about innocent lives being killed as long as it will benefit themselves. That is why they build their headquarters in high populated regions and place their missiles and launching pads inside innocent civilian’s homes. They know that the civilized world will do whatever it takes to prevent innocent loss of life. Israel has done that time and time again.

There have been numerous times where Israel has intelligence that Hezbollah leaders are meeting inside a building and they have the firepower to take those guys out. However, those leaders are often in a multi-story building surrounded by homes and innocent life. Instead of flattening the building and getting their guys they decide not to or to use a smaller bomb that will only destroy the top floor of the target building, which they usually aren’t in.

You are showing a lack of focus if you point the finger at Israel here. Instead of condemning them we should be condemning Hezbollah and taking a stand against them. The world should stand up and tell them no more human shields. No more dragging innocent women and children into buildings with you so you don’t get attacked. No more placing weapons in innocent families’ homes. No more. President Bush already said that he doesn’t expect America to be involved in any military operations in Israel or Lebanon and I think that is a mistake. The world can fuck around and mess up this chance to rid the world of some thoughtless people. The only way to end this violence is to kill them. It won’t be quick and it won’t be pretty but it’s the only way to insure, in the long run, that more innocent lives aren’t wasted and used by these cold-blooded killers. And I’m not talking about the Israelis.
Well, thats coming from someone who is known around these forums for being a redneck anti-arab, anti-Muslim stuck up american who previously said

we should slaughter most muslims like animals


so i dont take any heed to your post...

Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:38 pm

Nitrous Ice wrote:Well, thats coming from someone who is known around these forums for being a redneck anti-arab, anti-Muslim stuck up american who previously said


First off, you should know that I don't really give a flying fuck what other people think of me. Secondly, I am not a redneck and I am not anti-Muslim or anti-Arab. If you focus and actually read my posts you would be able to tell the difference.

we should slaughter most muslims like animals


Next time if you are going to quote someone make sure you use their actual words, jackass. I never said we should slaughter most Muslims. I know excatly what thread you are talking about and I never said anything of that nature. I said we need to slaughter the militant, extremist Muslims who are threatening the innocent lives of their fellow Muslims, Americans and other people across the globe. These guys are dangerous and they are animals and we should slaughter them. I have nothing against Islam or Muslims because I know it is a peaceful religion.

So here is my piece of advice: read and think before you make a pathetic post like you just did. I hope you are a better listener than you a reader.

Sun Aug 06, 2006 2:38 pm

I said we need to slaughter the militant, extremist Muslims who are threatening the innocent lives of their fellow Muslims, Americans and other people across the globe.


then be more clear, because in that thread when i asked for your opinion on muslims on whether you have a prejudice against them, you seemed as if you didnt like muslims in general,

http://nbaliveforums.com/ftopic35991.ph ... db77f890f2

Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:07 pm

Nitrous Ice wrote:
I said we need to slaughter the militant, extremist Muslims who are threatening the innocent lives of their fellow Muslims, Americans and other people across the globe.


then be more clear, because in that thread when i asked for your opinion on muslims on whether you have a prejudice against them, you seemed as if you didnt like muslims in general,

http://nbaliveforums.com/ftopic35991.ph ... db77f890f2


First off, let me apologize for being so harsh to you. I thought you were quoting me from my rant on Islam and I did not read that thread. I just read it and I found out that I misquoted myself. I'm sorry.

Secondly, that was a very bad day for me. I believe I just finished watching Flight 93 or something and I was extremely upset. I have no issues with Muslims or the Islam religion in general. Am I fond of it? No. However, I'm not really fond of any religion. I hate extremist Muslims just as much as I hate extremist Christians. But I hate terrorists even more and when you terrorize innocent people, whether they are American or other nationality, it crosses a line. I'm sick of these terrorists, who I would prefer to call cowards, using human blood as their political platform. I'm sick of them using young, impressable teenagers to help grow their operations. I'm sick of them using human shields to protect themselves while having no regard for the innocent they put in harms way.

Those are the guys that I want to be slaughtered. There are a lot of people on these forums who have the opinion that I'm racist towards Muslims and it is not true. Do I profile Muslims? I don't know. I never did but after September 11th how can I not? I don't do it out of hate. I do it out of fear. 9/11 scared the shit out of me and every American and we don't want it to happen again. I think everyone has their eye out now more than ever. How can you blame them, though?

The terrorists are winning right now because of the media. When Hezbollah, or any terrorist cell, uses human shields to protect themselves from allied forces they are not condemned. Israel and America have done everything they can to protect the innocent lives of those who are helpless surrounded by the terrorists. They've done it to the point where they have endangered their own civilians lives because of it. This is a very serious time in our lives and I think it is time for the world to realize that we cannot win this war and eliminate the threat without some kind of collateral damage. It's a shame but it is the way this war has to be fought. Life isn't always peaches and cream and there isn't always an easy solution.

Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:30 pm

Riot, I'm glad you're back dude. I was waiting to hear your opinion on this!

Let me say that I am what most people would call a "Moderate Muslim." I condemn any acts of people blowing themselves up, flying into buildings, and parading through streets screaming for American blood. It sickens me. I'm an American born and raised.

That said, I will support Hezbollah over Israel any day of the week. I'm not saying I condone the actions of Hezbollah. I don't believe either party is doing the right thing in this war. But what is Hezbollah supposed to do? Let Israel tear through Lebanon? Whatever. The fact is, this conflict could have been avoided. 1,000 dead people would still be breathing today. Why has Israel been so aggressive with the air strikes? When you know for a fact that there are a substantial number of civilians present, you should'nt bomb a building. It's events like the airstrike in Qana that killed 50+ innocent people, many children, that makes "moderate Muslims" such as myself support Hezbollah over Israel.

Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:41 pm

But you have to realize that if you support Hezbollah they will only get stronger and gain more and more power. Don't see how that could be a bad thing? They must be stopped before they turn into another Taliban.

Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:52 pm

Riot wrote:But you have to realize that if you support Hezbollah they will only get stronger and gain more and more power. Don't see how that could be a bad thing? They must be stopped before they turn into another Taliban.


But what you don't understand is that Hezbollah has no intention to become another Taliban or Al Qaeda. Hezbollah is a Shiite group, and the leader Hassan Nasrallah has openly said he condemns Al Qaeda's terrorist attacks. In fact, Nasrallah and Bin Laden pretty much hate each other. Nasrallah has said in interviews that he believes US policies are corrupt and unjust, but he has no hate for the US. He only has hate for Israel. Does Hezbollah pose a threat to Israel? Sure, just as much as Israel poses a threat to Hezbollah. That gives Hezbollah every right to attack Israel, and I'll support them as long as they're protecting the sovereignty of Muslims in the region. In case you didn't know, I am against Israel and everything the Zionist regime stands for.

Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:55 pm

Hezbollah is funded by the Iranian government, correct? The Iranian government is unstable, crazy and attempting to acquire nuclear weapons. I just don't see how supporting Hezbollah would be in the best interest of the world. It seems to me, with my untrained eye, that Hezbollah wants Israel gone because they are Jewish. They don't like Jewish people. To me, that is wrong and I cannot support that. Correct me if I am wrong, though.

Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:09 pm

Riot wrote:Hezbollah is funded by the Iranian government, correct? The Iranian government is unstable, crazy and attempting to acquire nuclear weapons. I just don't see how supporting Hezbollah would be in the best interest of the world. It seems to me, with my untrained eye, that Hezbollah wants Israel gone because they are Jewish. They don't like Jewish people. To me, that is wrong and I cannot support that. Correct me if I am wrong, though.


Not at all, Riot. Islam and Judaism are two extremely similar religions. Arabic and Hebrew are two extremely similar languages. Hezbollah has nothing against Jews...they have beef against Israel, as does the rest of the Arab world. Israel is a state founded on Zionist terrorism. There are actually very large numbers of Jewish people who are against Israel because they're aware of the atrocities Israel has committed. Most people in the Arab world believe that Israel shouldn't even exist. Did you know that Israel has violated dozens of UN laws, and the only reason action isn't taken against them is because the US defends them? Why is it that Israel is allowed to have nuclear weapons? Supposedly, it's because they're "stable". Right....that's why they've been involved in war for the past 50 years. Stable, my ass.

Why is it such a big deal that Iran supplies Hezbollah? The US is supplying the missiles that have killed over 900 civilians, but no one seems to care about that.

Sun Aug 06, 2006 5:07 pm

Mel Gibson hates jewish people too. Perhaps we should send him to Guantanamo

Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:33 am

Israel does what it has to do to defend themselves. They are a Jewish state in a very dangerous part of the world to be Jewish.

Hezbollah is a terrorist organization that is responsible for the most American deaths pre-9/11 than any other organization. It is funded by Iran and Syria, two countries that appear to be enemies of the United States. Imad Mughniyeh, who was Hezbollah's operations chief for over two decades, has been involved in the Beirut bombings, hijackings, kidnapping and murder of American soldiers, the bombings of the Israeli embassy and a Jewish cultural center in Buenos Aires. Not to mention that in 2004 intelligence said that this guy was helping train the resistance in Iraq against our troops. This man was apart of many, many attacks on innocent lives and it was all funded by Iran and in the name of Hezbollah. That, to me, appears to be a terrorist organization. No?

You claim that Hezbollah does not get along with Al-Qaeda. However, I have come across reports that state otherwise. The two organizations have helped train each other and Hezbollah has even sent delegations to meet with Bin Laden himself. Yes, one is Shia and the other is Sunni but there chance that they could combine is a very real one. They have their agendas and they appear to be on the same page and the two organizations have been working rather closely together, despite what you told me!

``We consider [America] to be an enemy because it wants to humiliate our governments, our regimes, and our peoples," railed Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah, at an enormous rally in February 2005. (Video of Nasrallah's speech, which was broadcast on Hezbollah's Al-Manar TV, can be seen at www.memritv.org.) ``It is the greatest plunderer of our treasures, our oil, and our resources. . . . Our motto, which we are not afraid to repeat year after year, is: `Death to America!' "


I'm sorry, Dro, but this is something I cannot support. These guys just hate the free world and they hate that Israel is a democratic state. Hezbollah is a terrorist state that will resort to terrorist tactics to win the war.

Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:50 am

Dro wrote:Not at all, Riot. Islam and Judaism are two extremely similar religions. Arabic and Hebrew are two extremely similar languages. Hezbollah has nothing against Jews...they have beef against Israel, as does the rest of the Arab world.


Can I give you some examples of why I think Hezbollah is anti-Jew? Just recently, Hezbollah randomly launched a missile into northern Israel and killed two Arab children. Nasrallah apologized and called them "martyrs for the nation". However, he has not apologized for the other innocent lives killed because they are Jewish. Simple as that.

Another example? I will give you a few quotes that give me the reason to think he is anti-Israel because of his hate for Jews.

On October 22, 2002, Hassan Nasrallah told Lebanon’s Daily Star, “If they [the Jews] all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them world wide.” -- from the National Review Online.

From CAMERA: "If we searched the entire world for a person more cowardly, despicable, weak and feeble in psyche, mind, ideology and religion, we would not find anyone like the Jew. Notice, I do not say the Israeli." (New Yorker, Oct. 14, 2002)

"Martyrdom operations - suicide bombings - should be exported outside Palestine. I encourage Palestinians to take suicide bombings worldwide. Don't be shy about it." (Washington Times, Dec. 6, 2002)

Can't get anymore blunt than that, right?

There are actually very large numbers of Jewish people who are against Israel because they're aware of the atrocities Israel has committed. Most people in the Arab world believe that Israel shouldn't even exist. Did you know that Israel has violated dozens of UN laws, and the only reason action isn't taken against them is because the US defends them? Why is it that Israel is allowed to have nuclear weapons? Supposedly, it's because they're "stable". Right....that's why they've been involved in war for the past 50 years. Stable, my ass.

Why is it such a big deal that Iran supplies Hezbollah? The US is supplying the missiles that have killed over 900 civilians, but no one seems to care about that.


Israel has been in wars because for some reason the Arab nation cannot accept that it is a state. They need to get over it and learn to live with it. Israel doesn't bring this upon themselves, they have been provoked long enough. The fighting in the Middle East has been going on since the beginning of time. It will never end. If Israel is taken off the map then they will find someone else to destroy, probably Americans. It will never end until the world is an Islamic globe.

The big deal is that Iran has funded Hezbollah to carry out terrorist acts, which include the hijackings of airplanes and suicide attacks.

HEZBOLLAH IS USING HUMAN SHIELDS. THEY KNOW THAT IF ISRAEL HAS TO KILL CIVILIANS TO GET TO THEM THAT THEY WILL WIN BECAUSE OF THE MEDIA. THE REST OF THE WORLD HATES INNOCENT LOSS OF LIFE AND IF THEY CAN PROTRAY ISRAEL AS THE BAD GUY THEN THEY CAN WIN THIS FIGHT. HEZBOLLAH IS THE ONE WHO IS RANDOMLY SHOOTING MISSILES INTO NOTHERN ISRAEL. Phew.
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