Wed Aug 02, 2006 8:10 am
8-Hype wrote:I hope this war is over soon, because it results in too many tiffs.
Wed Aug 02, 2006 8:15 am
Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:35 pm
Enough of the ass-kissing and pointless put-downs. You're making yourself look like a jackass.
And I want to give a biiiig thank you to Matthew and 8-Hype for continuing to pull out the race card! Not once have I called either of you Anti-Arab or Anti-Muslim, but if someone disagrees with Israel, they're an Anti-Semite all of a sudden.
Matthew, let me ask you this: Israel has held countless Palestinians, Lebonese, and other Arabs in jail for no apparent reason. Israel has blocked pregnant mothers from getting to the hospital when they are in labor, Isreal is beating up little kids who are simply playing in the streets with toy guns. In other words Israel is starting another Holocaust. In the month of June, 600 Palestinian civilians died in the whole month, and only one Israeli soldier died. And you dont call the last-resort kidnapping of two soldiers, after numerous peaceful pleas, for the release of a few Lebonese civilians, who have been wrongly held in jail, justified? Seriously, use some logic.
Huh? You're obviously not reading what me and Dream have been writing. Israel has 3 Lebanese prisoners and THOUSANDS of innocent Palestinian and Lebanese prisoners. The ONLY reason Hezbollah kidnapped the two soldiers was for an exchange. Do you support the killing of over 500 civilians, rather than a prisoner-swap?
If Israel honestly, truly was trying to kill the least amount of civilians they could, they would send in ground troops. Instead, they use bombs that knock down buildings. Israel says that they're very sad, blah blah blah, but it's obvious they don't give a damn when they kill civilians!
You say Hezbollah targets civilians...do you realize how innacurate the rockets Hezbollah uses are? Yesterday, Hezbollah launched over 120 rockets and not one Israeli was killed. But, of course, Hezbollah is targeting the civilians...right.
But, if Hezbollah is not firing out of Beirut, but civilians in Beirut are dying, that makes your whole point moot.
This is the most rediculous comment I've heard yet. Dream already commented on this...how the hell are the Lebanese people supposed to get out without roads, freeways, bridges, and airports? Not to mention, the people that are still in Lebanon are people who have nowhere to go. The casualties are not going to stop.
No, I don't. Honestly, if I was running a country and my soldiers were kidnapped, and I was left with two choices; Soldier exchange, or war that could eventually kill thousands of people, including some of my own, I would choose the prior. That's my logic.
Fri Aug 04, 2006 11:21 pm
Sat Aug 05, 2006 12:47 am
2_ Many arabic folks are semite descendants. This isn't an exclusive condition of jews, so calling antisemite to the people who criticize the jews isn't correct.
Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:38 am
Lebanon says more than 900 people have died since then, most of them civilians. Israel has lost 27 civilians and 40 soldiers.
Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:53 am
Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:59 am
You are anti jew, you said that yourself by saying the jewish influence in america is bad.
^^^ Uhh...you went a bit too far buddy.
So I'm convinced that probably, if Hitler would have killed twenty million jews then the world would be a better place now.
Criticised for not having a ceasefire, criticised for having a ceasefire.. make your mind up.
Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:16 pm
Matthew wrote:Enough of the ass-kissing and pointless put-downs. You're making yourself look like a jackass.
Funny how when someone is in agreement with what I say, you pick up on it and call it arse kissing. But when others do it, you ignore it. How is Arvin these days anyway?.
Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:19 pm
You quote nearly everything I said, except the little tid-bit about how Hezbollah has killed more soldiers than civilians. 40 dead Israeli soldiers, about 27 dead civilians. Israel has killed 900 civilians and supposedly 300 Hezbollah fighters (Hezbollah has not said an official amount). Do the math, then come back to me regarding who targets civilians.
^^^ Uhh...you went a bit too far buddy.
You still want to call me anti-Jewish? Go ahead if you want, if it makes you feel better.
They should never have made this situation in the first place. They should have given people a chance to get out before they started bombing the airport, roads, freeways, and bridges. What good is a ceasefire once there's no escape route?
I feel like I've said all I need to regarding this. I come up with reasons that this war is corrupt and unjustified, yet all you do is try to argue against my points. Are you arguing just for the sake of arguing? How about you tell me why this war is Justified from Israel's standpoint. Then we can have a real discussion.
Sun Aug 06, 2006 2:31 am
They have endured countless suicide bombings and missile attacks from Palestine and Lebanon. They have had their soldiers abducted and murdered and the reaction from their neighbouring countries is one of celebration. What do you expect them to do? Negotiate with animals? You cannot justify that to me or any other open minded person
Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:39 am
Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:50 am
Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:15 pm
Well, thats coming from someone who is known around these forums for being a redneck anti-arab, anti-Muslim stuck up american who previously saidRiot wrote:It sickens me that you guys are condemning Israel for the death total. Israel has done more than enough to prevent innocent causalities over the years. The problem with the whole crisis is Hezbollah. They don’t care about innocent lives being killed as long as it will benefit themselves. That is why they build their headquarters in high populated regions and place their missiles and launching pads inside innocent civilian’s homes. They know that the civilized world will do whatever it takes to prevent innocent loss of life. Israel has done that time and time again.
There have been numerous times where Israel has intelligence that Hezbollah leaders are meeting inside a building and they have the firepower to take those guys out. However, those leaders are often in a multi-story building surrounded by homes and innocent life. Instead of flattening the building and getting their guys they decide not to or to use a smaller bomb that will only destroy the top floor of the target building, which they usually aren’t in.
You are showing a lack of focus if you point the finger at Israel here. Instead of condemning them we should be condemning Hezbollah and taking a stand against them. The world should stand up and tell them no more human shields. No more dragging innocent women and children into buildings with you so you don’t get attacked. No more placing weapons in innocent families’ homes. No more. President Bush already said that he doesn’t expect America to be involved in any military operations in Israel or Lebanon and I think that is a mistake. The world can fuck around and mess up this chance to rid the world of some thoughtless people. The only way to end this violence is to kill them. It won’t be quick and it won’t be pretty but it’s the only way to insure, in the long run, that more innocent lives aren’t wasted and used by these cold-blooded killers. And I’m not talking about the Israelis.
we should slaughter most muslims like animals
Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:38 pm
Nitrous Ice wrote:Well, thats coming from someone who is known around these forums for being a redneck anti-arab, anti-Muslim stuck up american who previously said
we should slaughter most muslims like animals
Sun Aug 06, 2006 2:38 pm
I said we need to slaughter the militant, extremist Muslims who are threatening the innocent lives of their fellow Muslims, Americans and other people across the globe.
Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:07 pm
Nitrous Ice wrote:I said we need to slaughter the militant, extremist Muslims who are threatening the innocent lives of their fellow Muslims, Americans and other people across the globe.
then be more clear, because in that thread when i asked for your opinion on muslims on whether you have a prejudice against them, you seemed as if you didnt like muslims in general,
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Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:30 pm
Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:41 pm
Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:52 pm
Riot wrote:But you have to realize that if you support Hezbollah they will only get stronger and gain more and more power. Don't see how that could be a bad thing? They must be stopped before they turn into another Taliban.
Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:55 pm
Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:09 pm
Riot wrote:Hezbollah is funded by the Iranian government, correct? The Iranian government is unstable, crazy and attempting to acquire nuclear weapons. I just don't see how supporting Hezbollah would be in the best interest of the world. It seems to me, with my untrained eye, that Hezbollah wants Israel gone because they are Jewish. They don't like Jewish people. To me, that is wrong and I cannot support that. Correct me if I am wrong, though.
Sun Aug 06, 2006 5:07 pm
Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:33 am
``We consider [America] to be an enemy because it wants to humiliate our governments, our regimes, and our peoples," railed Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah, at an enormous rally in February 2005. (Video of Nasrallah's speech, which was broadcast on Hezbollah's Al-Manar TV, can be seen at www.memritv.org.) ``It is the greatest plunderer of our treasures, our oil, and our resources. . . . Our motto, which we are not afraid to repeat year after year, is: `Death to America!' "
Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:50 am
Dro wrote:Not at all, Riot. Islam and Judaism are two extremely similar religions. Arabic and Hebrew are two extremely similar languages. Hezbollah has nothing against Jews...they have beef against Israel, as does the rest of the Arab world.
There are actually very large numbers of Jewish people who are against Israel because they're aware of the atrocities Israel has committed. Most people in the Arab world believe that Israel shouldn't even exist. Did you know that Israel has violated dozens of UN laws, and the only reason action isn't taken against them is because the US defends them? Why is it that Israel is allowed to have nuclear weapons? Supposedly, it's because they're "stable". Right....that's why they've been involved in war for the past 50 years. Stable, my ass.
Why is it such a big deal that Iran supplies Hezbollah? The US is supplying the missiles that have killed over 900 civilians, but no one seems to care about that.