Sun Jul 23, 2006 5:28 pm
benji wrote:Why is it so hard for people to understand the difference between intentionally targeting innocents as Hezbollah has done for nearly three decades, and accidental unavoidable casaulties resulting from actions directed at terrorists (who are preventing civilians from leaving by force, are hiding their weapon caches and forces in civilian housing locations, etc.)?
Is the "intelligisa" point of view really so prevalent that people cannot look at things themselves instead of simply repeating the "popular" view?
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There are 350 Lebanons dead and what?, 15 Israelis? So killing 350 people in the name of a country is a legitimate move, but killing 15 of them in the name of principles isn't? Israel is a artificial construct, made by rich Jews and Americans, who had no right to be where they are and Palestinians are the ones fighting for the rightuos cause and yet they are the ones viewed as 'terrorists' simply because Israel is a country and Americans&Israelis don't like it? Isreal is based on terroristic acts from its beginning - the terms 'offense', 'defense', 'terrorism' and 'rightous cause' are very fuzzy. From my point of view Israel is an impostor, a terroristic country which shouldn't even be there and the countries surrunding Israel have all the rights to oppose its presence in the are.
Let's make an anology: let's say Indians wanted they're own country in the USA. Would America give it to them? Of course not, it's their land! But let's say they would actually be fair and gave them want they want. With time, there would be more and more Indians and they would want more and more land and they would take it. Why? Because it's 'their right'. The whole country was their centuries ago and now they'll take it back. They would expand and the Americans would oppose. Who would be the terrorist? Don't the Indians have the right to the lands they populated not so far ago? Wouldn't they be just fighting for the land that was theirs all along? Who's the impostor. You see, it's the exactly same thing with Israel - and yet their moves are still legitimate in the eyes of western countries.
Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:18 am
Just because you don't understand the historical record doesn't make your point of view correct.
Jewish peoples began moving back into the region now known as Israel during the Ottoman Empire in the late 19th century. They purchased land, as anyone always has, from Arabs and the Ottomans. More and more continued to do this to escape persecution throughout the world. After the end of the war and the creation of the British Mandate, the Brits disallowed further Jewish immigration in favor of only Arab immigration. After sometime the Arab and Jewish populations came into conflict. Following World War II, with the British Mandate expiring in 1948 they attempted to create a plan to settle the region following the end of the mandate. As the Jewish population was centered in one main area and the Arabs in another, the majority proposal was to split the region into a majority Jewish state and majority Arab state. Another proposal at the time was also to create one state with both populations. (Which resembles modern Israel) The United Nations settled on creating the states, the Arabs refused all proposals. The Mandate was split into Israel and Jordan, Jordan and Syria both refused to accept any Arabs from "Palestine" as they didn't want the "trash" in their new countries. In response to the creation of Israel all the Arab nations attacked Israel and were soundly defeated, thus Israel won what was effectively the "civil war" and therefore was a legitimate state in all respects.
It is absolutely foolhearted and moronic to claim that if Israel didn't exist there wouldn't be terrorists. After all Hezbollah isn't even an anti-Israeli terrorist group and doesn't give a shit about "Palestine" or anything similar. It's an arm of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.
Hell, there wouldn't be any terrorism towards Israel if the elites of the Arab world didn't use Israel as a distraction to their tyrannical states. It's a lot easier to just blame the Jews instead of focusing on your own problems. Then they fire up the upper middle class kids and get them to blow up Sbarro's instead of dying their hair and cutting themselves.
Even al Qaeda isn't an Israeli related terrorist group. Both Hezbollah and al Qaeda are openly "fighting the West", they just use Israel as a dual-propaganda point, as Israel is also considered part of the "West" what with it being an advanced democratic state in the swamp of backwater fascist states.
Technically the only terrorist groups that resulted from Israel you could argue are Hamas and Palestianian Islamic Jihad, and they didn't form until 40 and 35 years after the creation of Israel respectively. Both are also funded by Iran and Syria.
Here's the truth of the situation. From 1948-1973, the Arab elites waged conventional war on Israel and failed. In 1979, Egypt realized the foolishness and the peace treaty was signed. It wasn't until the Arab nations were soundly defeated in conventional warfare and they started to drop out (Egypt and Jordan, though the later not officially until 1994) that the terrorist war began. By using proxy groups, the states could wage unending war on Israel (and others...like say the United States) without the consequences that would have naturally followed.
It was this shift in warfare style that led to the situation today. The PLO was hiding in Lebanon and Israel invaded to push them out and end the Lebanese Civil War. Then they withdrew.
"Peace" talks were setup numerous times. Israel offered 98% of what the Arabs wanted and Arafat responded by launching the Intifadah. Despite this Israel still withdrew from the West Bank and Gaza. Don't forget they withdrew from Golan inbetween these two historical markers.
True, Israel was to be created as a Jewish state, but it is not one. It is simply a state where a majority population follows one religion, it has immigrants and populations of all colors, creeds, religions, etc.
Speaking of history...I found this, found it prudent to one's thoughts.
Which proves how stupid you must be. Apparently withdrawing from regions you temporarily held after responding to attacks is equivalent to Hitler's annexation of most of Europe. (You're probably forgetting that Hitler was never attacked before his expansion.)
The opposition to Israel is the stupidest thing ever. We have a democratic nation that's open to everyone and people would rather it be destroyed by fascists.
Hitler attacked others because it was "German" land, the Arabs do the same thing and everybody's onboard with them.
Israel has civil rights, human rights, liberal freedoms. The other states in the Middle East are some of the most totalitarian in the entire world. They slaughter gays and women, things everybody loves and wants to protect. They butcher their own and everyone elses citizens. They have no liberal freedoms, womens and civil rights erotica for the Left don't exist in these countries.
Do you really want to align yourself with them? Just because they lost a sliver of land that was borderline unsuitable to life before Israel turned it into their thriving society?
One side features a state, that yes was created from a UN mandate, that is democratic, has a liberal society, has a legal system, is economically dynamic. The other side is a bunch of fascist states that attempt to conquer their neighbors, butcher anyone and everyone, run by "crime family" style (or in the case of Hussein and Assad, actual true families and not just style) governments.
Maybe I just can't fathom supporting the latest in a long line of fascists against liberals. It's the reason I despise the Left so. They've been on the side of murderers for years. They supported Hitler and Mussolini. They supported and still do support the Communists who've killed a hundred million. They support the Islamic fascists even as they kill their own, kill others (in Africa, Israel, Europe, Asia) with no regard for the "international law" they so dearly love. (Which the 30's fascists and Communists did as well.)
It's truly baffeling. They whine about gay and women rights in the West, while turning a blind eye to the treatment of those and others in the Middle East, let alone other parts of the world. They threaten with the boogyman of a "theocratic" state at home, while supporting states where those who don't practice the right religion are murdered. They worship at the altar of the UN, while it rapes girls in Africa, plunders billions in scandals, places the worst human rights violators and thugs on the Human Rights Council, allows a state like Syria to chair the Security Council while refusing to allow Israel to ever chair any council, and refuses to enforce it's own policies.
Infact, it's disgusting. When an Israel or United States or Australia takes initiative to solve a problem, they're decried. They're the bad guy for defending themselves, or saving a people. The fascists who butcher civilians daily are the victims.
These threads always get me. It's disheartning to see what people believe and support. They'd rather join in with murderers and thugs. (Which probably explains the love for rap...I kid, I kid.) They'd prefer to defend those murderers and thugs to the grave than ever say one good thing about those who want to make things better.
You mean, like the ones who are in the Lebanese government?
Name a conflict in the world. Discounting African warlords killing each other (and a lot of those even count). Nearly all of them involve Islamic fascists attacking someone else. Sudan. Madrid. Beslan. Areas around Indonesia including Bali and the Phillipines. London. India. The Danish Cartoon debacle. Israel. 9/11. Theo Van Gogh. The French riots. Even going back a decade or so, major conflicts have included Iraq-Iran, The Gulf War, Algeria, Nigeria, Various Wars against Israel.
If it's not Islamic fascists it's others like the Serbian fascists.
I guess it's a lot easier to just call the liberal side "fascists" than to actually deal with people who will kill you and everyone else. Though I think it's just a wacked out state of mind.
It's like if a gang attacked someone, violently mugging and raping them. A cop shoots a couple of them and accidently hits a bystander. So you respond by calling the cop a fascist, trying him and savaging him for hitting the bystander. Meanwhile you give medals to the gang, take the survivors to dinner and give them a seat on the city council and school board. And you start holding protests against the existance of the police.
Oh wait. They already do that.
I'm depressed now. Enough of this depressing place for now.
Jewish peoples began moving back into the region now known as Israel during the Ottoman Empire in the late 19th century. They purchased land, as anyone always has, from Arabs and the Ottomans. More and more continued to do this to escape persecution throughout the world. After the end of the war and the creation of the British Mandate, the Brits disallowed further Jewish immigration in favor of only Arab immigration. After sometime the Arab and Jewish populations came into conflict. Following World War II, with the British Mandate expiring in 1948 they attempted to create a plan to settle the region following the end of the mandate. As the Jewish population was centered in one main area and the Arabs in another, the majority proposal was to split the region into a majority Jewish state and majority Arab state. Another proposal at the time was also to create one state with both populations. (Which resembles modern Israel) The United Nations settled on creating the states, the Arabs refused all proposals. The Mandate was split into Israel and Jordan, Jordan and Syria both refused to accept any Arabs from "Palestine" as they didn't want the "trash" in their new countries. In response to the creation of Israel all the Arab nations attacked Israel and were soundly defeated, thus Israel won what was effectively the "civil war" and therefore was a legitimate state in all respects.
It is absolutely foolhearted and moronic to claim that if Israel didn't exist there wouldn't be terrorists. After all Hezbollah isn't even an anti-Israeli terrorist group and doesn't give a shit about "Palestine" or anything similar. It's an arm of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.
Hell, there wouldn't be any terrorism towards Israel if the elites of the Arab world didn't use Israel as a distraction to their tyrannical states. It's a lot easier to just blame the Jews instead of focusing on your own problems. Then they fire up the upper middle class kids and get them to blow up Sbarro's instead of dying their hair and cutting themselves.
Even al Qaeda isn't an Israeli related terrorist group. Both Hezbollah and al Qaeda are openly "fighting the West", they just use Israel as a dual-propaganda point, as Israel is also considered part of the "West" what with it being an advanced democratic state in the swamp of backwater fascist states.
Technically the only terrorist groups that resulted from Israel you could argue are Hamas and Palestianian Islamic Jihad, and they didn't form until 40 and 35 years after the creation of Israel respectively. Both are also funded by Iran and Syria.
Here's the truth of the situation. From 1948-1973, the Arab elites waged conventional war on Israel and failed. In 1979, Egypt realized the foolishness and the peace treaty was signed. It wasn't until the Arab nations were soundly defeated in conventional warfare and they started to drop out (Egypt and Jordan, though the later not officially until 1994) that the terrorist war began. By using proxy groups, the states could wage unending war on Israel (and others...like say the United States) without the consequences that would have naturally followed.
It was this shift in warfare style that led to the situation today. The PLO was hiding in Lebanon and Israel invaded to push them out and end the Lebanese Civil War. Then they withdrew.
"Peace" talks were setup numerous times. Israel offered 98% of what the Arabs wanted and Arafat responded by launching the Intifadah. Despite this Israel still withdrew from the West Bank and Gaza. Don't forget they withdrew from Golan inbetween these two historical markers.
True, Israel was to be created as a Jewish state, but it is not one. It is simply a state where a majority population follows one religion, it has immigrants and populations of all colors, creeds, religions, etc.
Speaking of history...I found this, found it prudent to one's thoughts.
Once, there was a small nation created by international consensus from the ashes of a world war. It included two main nationalities and it was the only free nation in the region, surrounded by larger neighbors who resented it and coveted its land, which they felt rightfully belonged to them. In spite of that, it was a prosperous and free republic, and its citizens enjoyed one of the highest living standards in that part of the world.
As a result of the hostile attitude of its neighbor countries, this tiny country had developed a well trained and superbly equipped military, with advanced weapons and its own arms industry. It was also allied with the Western democracies both by its values and by strategic and practical necessity.
One of this small country`s warlike neighbors had a number of its former natives in a part of the tiny nation and began orchestrating riots and other terrorist activity among them in an effort to subvert and conquer their neighbor. When the government of the small country attempted to restore order, the larger nation accused it of violating its former nationals' human rights and committing an "occupation."
A propaganda campaign was begun, claiming that the small country had committed "war crimes" and violated international law. Huge, violent demonstrations were organized by leaders of the larger nation to agitate for the "independence" of their former countrymen.
The larger nation claimed that it could not control the popular anger in the "street" and that it would be forced to go to war and plunge the region into chaos. The case was frequently made that the small country was "racist" and should never have been created at all.
A quartet of nations, including the Western democracies the small nation was allied with, came together to find a solution and a peace plan was created -- without the input or agreement of anyone from the small country.
The peace plan involved a trade of land for peace, with the former nationals of the larger nation to have an independent state on a large part of the small country`s land.
No one in the Quartet would have considered repatriating the natives of the larger nation back to their original home country, or giving them some of the larger nation`s territory to live on.
When the leaders and diplomats of the small nation protested at this one-sided settlement, they were bullied into acceptance with threats of withdrawal of all aid and military assistance by the very western allies they had counted on for support in preserving their freedom. Instead, they were offered guarantees for the security of their remaining territory.
They were likewise abandoned by the international body that had brought them into existence in the first place. They reluctantly accepted the Quartet`s diktat, counting on the guarantees they were given for their security and territorial integrity. Certain politicians in the small country were even happy at the settlement, since the "occupation" was ended and peace preserved. And the international community congratulated them on making sacrifices and bold moves for peace.
After Munich, Czechoslovakia was forced to withdraw to indefensible borders, leaving a large part of its superb defenses and arms works in the hands of "Slovakia," a German satellite.
Less than a year later Slovakia became Germany`s bridge for invasion, and the tiny country was crushed between Hitler`s Germany and Pilsudski`s Poland. The international community did nothing to honor its guarantees, nothing whatever...and alone, without a single voice being raised in protest, the Czechs were crushed.
When the Western democracies threw Czechoslovakia to the wolves they eliminated Hitler`s worry about a strong adversary on his eastern border, paved the way for the Comintern Pact with Russia and virtually guaranteed World War Two. Had the West stood by Czechoslovakia, Hitler would never have dared to move.
Those who favor bullying Israel into a so-called peace settlement would do well to remember the last time the West betrayed a strong ally to preserve "peace in our time." They might want to consider what a victory of this kind for the forces of Islamic fascism might mean to the West and preserving its freedom.
And the Israelis would do well to remember that all the security guarantees in the world are no substitute for defensible borders and a strong military. And that `security' is not something that can be left to others.
History bites back, especially to those who forget its lessons.
I'm saying they're not better than Nazis because they are using the same "expansionism (or whatever you call it in English)" theory Hitler and Mussolini used back in the 30's and the 40's.
Which proves how stupid you must be. Apparently withdrawing from regions you temporarily held after responding to attacks is equivalent to Hitler's annexation of most of Europe. (You're probably forgetting that Hitler was never attacked before his expansion.)
The opposition to Israel is the stupidest thing ever. We have a democratic nation that's open to everyone and people would rather it be destroyed by fascists.
Hitler attacked others because it was "German" land, the Arabs do the same thing and everybody's onboard with them.
Israel has civil rights, human rights, liberal freedoms. The other states in the Middle East are some of the most totalitarian in the entire world. They slaughter gays and women, things everybody loves and wants to protect. They butcher their own and everyone elses citizens. They have no liberal freedoms, womens and civil rights erotica for the Left don't exist in these countries.
Do you really want to align yourself with them? Just because they lost a sliver of land that was borderline unsuitable to life before Israel turned it into their thriving society?
One side features a state, that yes was created from a UN mandate, that is democratic, has a liberal society, has a legal system, is economically dynamic. The other side is a bunch of fascist states that attempt to conquer their neighbors, butcher anyone and everyone, run by "crime family" style (or in the case of Hussein and Assad, actual true families and not just style) governments.
Maybe I just can't fathom supporting the latest in a long line of fascists against liberals. It's the reason I despise the Left so. They've been on the side of murderers for years. They supported Hitler and Mussolini. They supported and still do support the Communists who've killed a hundred million. They support the Islamic fascists even as they kill their own, kill others (in Africa, Israel, Europe, Asia) with no regard for the "international law" they so dearly love. (Which the 30's fascists and Communists did as well.)
It's truly baffeling. They whine about gay and women rights in the West, while turning a blind eye to the treatment of those and others in the Middle East, let alone other parts of the world. They threaten with the boogyman of a "theocratic" state at home, while supporting states where those who don't practice the right religion are murdered. They worship at the altar of the UN, while it rapes girls in Africa, plunders billions in scandals, places the worst human rights violators and thugs on the Human Rights Council, allows a state like Syria to chair the Security Council while refusing to allow Israel to ever chair any council, and refuses to enforce it's own policies.
Infact, it's disgusting. When an Israel or United States or Australia takes initiative to solve a problem, they're decried. They're the bad guy for defending themselves, or saving a people. The fascists who butcher civilians daily are the victims.
These threads always get me. It's disheartning to see what people believe and support. They'd rather join in with murderers and thugs. (Which probably explains the love for rap...I kid, I kid.) They'd prefer to defend those murderers and thugs to the grave than ever say one good thing about those who want to make things better.
I think they could have a better solution like making allies with the Lebanese goverment and figuring some kind of plan out to capture all or most of the Hezbollah members.
You mean, like the ones who are in the Lebanese government?
Are you saying they are the one's attacking all the other countries? Get it through your head, the only Arabs that are involved in these wars are terrorist groups that were established because of the Jews taking Palestine's land.
Name a conflict in the world. Discounting African warlords killing each other (and a lot of those even count). Nearly all of them involve Islamic fascists attacking someone else. Sudan. Madrid. Beslan. Areas around Indonesia including Bali and the Phillipines. London. India. The Danish Cartoon debacle. Israel. 9/11. Theo Van Gogh. The French riots. Even going back a decade or so, major conflicts have included Iraq-Iran, The Gulf War, Algeria, Nigeria, Various Wars against Israel.
If it's not Islamic fascists it's others like the Serbian fascists.
I guess it's a lot easier to just call the liberal side "fascists" than to actually deal with people who will kill you and everyone else. Though I think it's just a wacked out state of mind.
It's like if a gang attacked someone, violently mugging and raping them. A cop shoots a couple of them and accidently hits a bystander. So you respond by calling the cop a fascist, trying him and savaging him for hitting the bystander. Meanwhile you give medals to the gang, take the survivors to dinner and give them a seat on the city council and school board. And you start holding protests against the existance of the police.
Oh wait. They already do that.
I'm depressed now. Enough of this depressing place for now.
Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:21 pm
Amazing post. Theres no logical rebuttal to what you have said, it further contradicts their arguement.
Fri Jul 28, 2006 3:32 am
I got this from a different site
RICHARD BERNSTEIN jew Western Publishing. childrens books
STUART BLOOMBERG jew ABC Head of Entertainment Division.
PETER CHERNIN jew 20th Century Fox. dec. 1992 new CEO
MARTIN S. DAVIS jew Paramount Comm. CEO
BARRY DILLER jew 20th Century Fox. CEO
MICHAEL D. EISNER jew WALT DISNEY Co.
STEVEN FRIEDMAN jew NBC Executive Producer Nightly News. Hired may 1990 under G.E. (gentile) owned NBC.
LEONARD HARRY GOLDENSON jew ABC (Capital Cities ABC TV) (upto 1985. Thomas Murphy now CEO but with same Jewish management)
KATHERINE MEYER GRAHAM jew Newsweek, Washington Post. Daughter of Eugene Meyer.
PETER GUBER jew Columbia Pictures. 1989. Bought by SONY, Guber replaced Kaufman as CEO.
PETER KALIKOW jew New York Post. Real estate devloper.
PETER R. KANN jew Dow Jones, Wall St Journal, Barrons
VICTOR A. KAUFMAN jew Columbia Pictures. CEO
CHARLES KOPPELMAN jew EMI Records CEO
GARY HERSH jew Capitol Records CEO
GERALD LEVIN jew TIME/WARNER Comm. CO-CEO
.
ROBERT MAXWELL aka Ludvik Hoch jew. Daily News.
RONNESSEN jew MBS. Mutual Broadcasting SYS.
SAMUEL NEWHOUSE russian jew Random House, Advanced Publications, Newhouse Broadcasting, (CTV), New Yorker Vogue, Mademoiselle, Glamour, Vanity Fair, HQ, Bride's, Gentleman's Quarterly, Self, House & Garden. Newspapers & mags.
MICHAEL OVITZ jew Media magnate.
WILLIAM S. PALEY russian jew CBS CEO & founder of CBS. 1927. 1983 Partially retired.
SUMNER M. REDSTONE jew Viacom MTV Nickelodeon QVC. CEO.
STEVEN J. ROSS jew TIME/WARNER Comm. CEO.
JEFF SAGANSKY russian jew CBS Head Entertainment Division.
DAVID SARNOFF russian jew RCA NBC head entertainment div.
ROBERT SARNOFF russian jew RCA NBC CEO (son of D. Sarnoff). RCA and NBC were bought by G.E. in 1986 but Jewish management still exists.
MICHAEL P. SCHULHOF jew SONY. Vice chairman.
RICHARD SNYDER jew Simon & Schuster.
LEONARD STERN jew VILLAGE VOICE. HARTZ pets supply.
ROBERT STRAUSS jew Large investor, President Bush's Moscow ambassador.
ARTHUR OCHS SULZBERGER jew New York Times, family circle. McCall's, M. Frankel, J. Lelyveld, J. Rosenthal - all Jews.
BRANDON TARTIKOFF russian jew Paramount pictures. Chairman.
LAWRENCE A. TISCH russian jew CBS CEO TV, theaters, hotels, insurance. (Before him was 1928 William S. Paley son of russian jews. Retired 1983.)
LEW WASSERMAN jew MCA Inc. CEO. 1991. Bought by SONY. but Wasserman still is CEO.
MORTIMER ZUCKERMAN jew US News and World Report, DAILY NEWS. New ceo.
Steve Ballmer, of MICROSOFT
Larry Ellison, of ORACLE
A few Jewish folks in Hollywood: Natalie Portman, The Arquettes, Steven Spielberg,
Orlando Bloom, River and Joaquin Phoenix, Mila Kunis, Gwyneth Paltrow, Jack Black,
Amanda Peet, Adrien Brody, Weinstein Brothers, Sean Penn, Mel Brooks, Oliver Stone.
So you see most of the media in the States is controlled by the Jews and of course they would show their country as the good guy and show the Hezzbollah group as the bad guys.
RICHARD BERNSTEIN jew Western Publishing. childrens books
STUART BLOOMBERG jew ABC Head of Entertainment Division.
PETER CHERNIN jew 20th Century Fox. dec. 1992 new CEO
MARTIN S. DAVIS jew Paramount Comm. CEO
BARRY DILLER jew 20th Century Fox. CEO
MICHAEL D. EISNER jew WALT DISNEY Co.
STEVEN FRIEDMAN jew NBC Executive Producer Nightly News. Hired may 1990 under G.E. (gentile) owned NBC.
LEONARD HARRY GOLDENSON jew ABC (Capital Cities ABC TV) (upto 1985. Thomas Murphy now CEO but with same Jewish management)
KATHERINE MEYER GRAHAM jew Newsweek, Washington Post. Daughter of Eugene Meyer.
PETER GUBER jew Columbia Pictures. 1989. Bought by SONY, Guber replaced Kaufman as CEO.
PETER KALIKOW jew New York Post. Real estate devloper.
PETER R. KANN jew Dow Jones, Wall St Journal, Barrons
VICTOR A. KAUFMAN jew Columbia Pictures. CEO
CHARLES KOPPELMAN jew EMI Records CEO
GARY HERSH jew Capitol Records CEO
GERALD LEVIN jew TIME/WARNER Comm. CO-CEO
.
ROBERT MAXWELL aka Ludvik Hoch jew. Daily News.
RONNESSEN jew MBS. Mutual Broadcasting SYS.
SAMUEL NEWHOUSE russian jew Random House, Advanced Publications, Newhouse Broadcasting, (CTV), New Yorker Vogue, Mademoiselle, Glamour, Vanity Fair, HQ, Bride's, Gentleman's Quarterly, Self, House & Garden. Newspapers & mags.
MICHAEL OVITZ jew Media magnate.
WILLIAM S. PALEY russian jew CBS CEO & founder of CBS. 1927. 1983 Partially retired.
SUMNER M. REDSTONE jew Viacom MTV Nickelodeon QVC. CEO.
STEVEN J. ROSS jew TIME/WARNER Comm. CEO.
JEFF SAGANSKY russian jew CBS Head Entertainment Division.
DAVID SARNOFF russian jew RCA NBC head entertainment div.
ROBERT SARNOFF russian jew RCA NBC CEO (son of D. Sarnoff). RCA and NBC were bought by G.E. in 1986 but Jewish management still exists.
MICHAEL P. SCHULHOF jew SONY. Vice chairman.
RICHARD SNYDER jew Simon & Schuster.
LEONARD STERN jew VILLAGE VOICE. HARTZ pets supply.
ROBERT STRAUSS jew Large investor, President Bush's Moscow ambassador.
ARTHUR OCHS SULZBERGER jew New York Times, family circle. McCall's, M. Frankel, J. Lelyveld, J. Rosenthal - all Jews.
BRANDON TARTIKOFF russian jew Paramount pictures. Chairman.
LAWRENCE A. TISCH russian jew CBS CEO TV, theaters, hotels, insurance. (Before him was 1928 William S. Paley son of russian jews. Retired 1983.)
LEW WASSERMAN jew MCA Inc. CEO. 1991. Bought by SONY. but Wasserman still is CEO.
MORTIMER ZUCKERMAN jew US News and World Report, DAILY NEWS. New ceo.
Steve Ballmer, of MICROSOFT
Larry Ellison, of ORACLE
A few Jewish folks in Hollywood: Natalie Portman, The Arquettes, Steven Spielberg,
Orlando Bloom, River and Joaquin Phoenix, Mila Kunis, Gwyneth Paltrow, Jack Black,
Amanda Peet, Adrien Brody, Weinstein Brothers, Sean Penn, Mel Brooks, Oliver Stone.
So you see most of the media in the States is controlled by the Jews and of course they would show their country as the good guy and show the Hezzbollah group as the bad guys.
Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:19 am
What is that, Hitler's hitlist? I find the Jews in Hollywood pretty interesting, though. I didn't know Adrien Brody was one; always thought he was Polish (though he was born in NY). Oh wait, isn't Judaism a religion? I'm still confused to what defines a Jew...
Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:10 am
Judaism shares some of the characteristics of a nation, an ethnicity, a religion, and a culture, making the definition of who is a Jew vary slightly depending on whether a religious or national approach to identity is used. For discussions of the religious views on who is a Jew and how these views differ from each other, please see Who is a Jew?. Generally, in modern secular usage, Jews include three groups: people who practice Judaism and have a Jewish ethnic background (sometimes including those who do not have strictly matrilineal descent), people without Jewish parents who have converted to Judaism; and those Jews who, while not practicing Judaism as a religion, still identify themselves as Jewish by virtue of their family's Jewish descent and their own cultural and historical identification with the Jewish people.
Historical definitions of Jewish identity have traditionally been based on Halakhic definitions of matrilineal descent, and halachic conversions. Historical definitions of who is a Jew date back to the codification of the oral tradition into the Babylonian Talmud. Biblical interpretations of sections in the Tanach, such as Deuteronomy 7:1-5, by learned Jewish sages, is used as a warning against intermarriage between Jews and non Jews because "[the non-Jewish male spouse] will cause your child to turn away from Me and they will worship the gods of others." Leviticus 24:10 speaks of the son in a marriage between a Hebrew woman and an Egyptian man to be "of the community of Israel.", which contrasts with Ezra 10:2-3, where Israelites returning from Egypt, vowed to put aside their gentile wives and their children. Since the Haskalah, these halakhic interpretations of Jewish identity have been challenged.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew
Reading Slovenian and foreign media, I'm surprised how much antisemitism is on this world. I just finished reading Young Lions by Irwin Shaw which clearly shows that Americans were just as antisemitic as Germans were. I thing a threat of a new holocaust will be always there. Is it likely that the Arabian countries will attack Israel, a country with nuclear weapons and a powerfull ally in USA? Of course not, but it is possible. Why are Jews always pissing people off? Is that their fault or do people just use them as an excuse.
And benji - a superb post. How old are you, if I may ask, and what is your education?
Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:28 am
i think the only reason the USA back Israel is because they went into Iraq for no reason, so they can't argue with Israel who has a reason
Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:30 am
I think its the other way around, there is a high chance of an Arab country being attacked by Israel or USA's ally. If you look around the world, you can see all Muslim countries are under attack like; Chechnya, Kashmir, Afghanistan and the others as you know. I am not an antisemitic, but looking what Israel is doing i have to criticize the Israel government and people who feel that its the right thing to do.
Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:38 am
Israel is an ally of the USA just because there are so many Jews living all over the United States, and most of them put lots of capitals/money on the US Goverment.
Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:40 am
Dont forget to add Jon Stewart to that list wisdom_kid! 
Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:47 am
How could you possibly take sides in this war? I have tons and tons of Labenese and Arab friends (I myself am Iranian), but I still cannot with a good conciense take a side in this battle.
People call Hezbollah a terrorist group. Isn't a terrorist a person who kills innocent and unsuspecting people? How is Hezbollah a terrorist group when around 50 Israelis have been killed and over 350 Lebanese have been killed? Hezbollah is an organized army that happens to not have direct affiliation with a government (though they do have influence in the Lebanses government). Their leader, Hassan Nasrallah, has openly condemned acts of violence from Al Qaeda. Now, I'm not saying Hezbollah is definitely not a terrorist group...I'm just saying it can be disputed. Some people say Hezbollah is clearly a terrorist group...well, it's not.
Bringing me to my next question...if Hezbollah is not a terrorist group, but just a group that defends their people, why are Iran and Syria criticized so much for funding? If I'm not mistaken, the US has given Israel BILLIONS of dollars in funding. The same missiles that have killed 350+ people...the same missiles that forced the US to evacuate thousands of Americans...those missiles were funded by the US. But wait...Israel isn't an "Islamic Fascist" group, so it's all good.
Benji, you point out that Israel is far more advanced than any Arab country. Would that be true without billions of dollars in funding from the US? It's not like the Israelis are smarter and have more ambition than the Arabs...I'm sure Iran would be far more advanced with billions of dollars in funding. Same can be said for Lebanon, Syria, Pakistan, etc.
And as silly as it sounds (and believe me, this will sound silly), is it possible that some Americans are taking sides with the Lebanese simply because they're the "underdogs"? Smaller army, less funding, not being backed by an international superpower...maybe a far-out theory, but certainly possible.
Again, I don't understand how a non-Israeli or non-Lebanese could take sides. Both sides have taken prisoners, have killed civilians, etc. It's not like one side is clearly right and one side is clearly in the wrong in this war. I don't even think this war is all that important in the big picture of things...maybe just a prelude of what's to come in the Middle East.
BTW Benji, I respect your lengthy, well-thought out posts. I just wish I had the attention span to read through the entire thing
People call Hezbollah a terrorist group. Isn't a terrorist a person who kills innocent and unsuspecting people? How is Hezbollah a terrorist group when around 50 Israelis have been killed and over 350 Lebanese have been killed? Hezbollah is an organized army that happens to not have direct affiliation with a government (though they do have influence in the Lebanses government). Their leader, Hassan Nasrallah, has openly condemned acts of violence from Al Qaeda. Now, I'm not saying Hezbollah is definitely not a terrorist group...I'm just saying it can be disputed. Some people say Hezbollah is clearly a terrorist group...well, it's not.
Bringing me to my next question...if Hezbollah is not a terrorist group, but just a group that defends their people, why are Iran and Syria criticized so much for funding? If I'm not mistaken, the US has given Israel BILLIONS of dollars in funding. The same missiles that have killed 350+ people...the same missiles that forced the US to evacuate thousands of Americans...those missiles were funded by the US. But wait...Israel isn't an "Islamic Fascist" group, so it's all good.
Benji, you point out that Israel is far more advanced than any Arab country. Would that be true without billions of dollars in funding from the US? It's not like the Israelis are smarter and have more ambition than the Arabs...I'm sure Iran would be far more advanced with billions of dollars in funding. Same can be said for Lebanon, Syria, Pakistan, etc.
And as silly as it sounds (and believe me, this will sound silly), is it possible that some Americans are taking sides with the Lebanese simply because they're the "underdogs"? Smaller army, less funding, not being backed by an international superpower...maybe a far-out theory, but certainly possible.
Again, I don't understand how a non-Israeli or non-Lebanese could take sides. Both sides have taken prisoners, have killed civilians, etc. It's not like one side is clearly right and one side is clearly in the wrong in this war. I don't even think this war is all that important in the big picture of things...maybe just a prelude of what's to come in the Middle East.
BTW Benji, I respect your lengthy, well-thought out posts. I just wish I had the attention span to read through the entire thing
Fri Jul 28, 2006 9:38 am
Fenix wrote:And benji - a superb post. How old are you, if I may ask, and what is your education?
I PM'd him a question along those lines, but he didn't bother responding
Fri Jul 28, 2006 9:51 am
wisdom_kid wrote:So you see most of the media in the States is controlled by the Jews and of course they would show their country as the good guy and show the Hezzbollah group as the bad guys. [/color]
Go flush a spider. There's just as many anti-semites as there are Jews in Hollywood, get your head out of your ass, and think outside the box and step into other people's shoes.
Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:02 am
Go flush a spider. There's just as many anti-semites as there are Jews in Hollywood, get your head out of your ass, and think outside the box and step into other people's shoes.
How can you say there are many anti-semites in Hollywood? The list i gave was "outside the box". I bet no one really knew how much Jews are controlling the media. So please say something useful or shut up.
Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:38 am
Fenix wrote:And benji - a superb post. How old are you, if I may ask, and what is your education?
He's a 12 year old girl.
Sigh... no one will get it
Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:56 am
wisdom_kid wrote:Go flush a spider. There's just as many anti-semites as there are Jews in Hollywood, get your head out of your ass, and think outside the box and step into other people's shoes.
How can you say there are many anti-semites in Hollywood? The list i gave was "outside the box". I bet no one really knew how much Jews are controlling the media. So please say something useful or shut up.
Like Cyanide said, it looks like a hit list. If you're planning a major Hollywood 'sting', then you need to look at the world around you. And shut up about the 'Jews' controlling Hollywood, you are starting to sound like a paranoid skinhead.
Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:02 pm
Jews have influence over everything in America. Media, Government, you name it. Why else would the US give over $100 Billion in "aid" to Israel?
Sat Jul 29, 2006 1:54 am
I was just wondering what people thought regarding the bombing of the UN post by the Isralis. I feel this hit pretty personally as there was a Chinese UN Observer who was killed in the attack. The Isralis are defending themselves by saying they would never intentionally attack a well marked UN post, and the US is defending them on it. However the post has been under attack for about a month now, and areas surrounding it has been hit several times.
I want to know. Is it possible to “accidentally” hit near an UN post many times over the month, and then finally “accidentally” drop a bomb on it? Even after many radios received from the post to stop bombing the post itself?
The UN seems real slow coming to a decision on such a huge and important matter such as this.
I want to know. Is it possible to “accidentally” hit near an UN post many times over the month, and then finally “accidentally” drop a bomb on it? Even after many radios received from the post to stop bombing the post itself?
The UN seems real slow coming to a decision on such a huge and important matter such as this.
Sat Jul 29, 2006 1:14 pm
One chinese dies and it hits you personally? I wonder how you felt when the Chinese goverment decided to run over hundreds of their own when they protested...
They are a powerfull loby groupd with Jew's in the senate, but you make it sound like its a bad thing.
Jews have influence over everything in America. Media, Government, you name it. Why else would the US give over $100 Billion in "aid" to Israel?
They are a powerfull loby groupd with Jew's in the senate, but you make it sound like its a bad thing.
Sat Jul 29, 2006 1:21 pm
so, whats your problem. one of my countrymen died, and i want to know why this happened?
and its not just cause chinese died. even if it were not, i would still wonder why they kept bombing the place despite numerous communications telling them to please stop bombing the damn UN POST.
there is no need to starting bashing me just because i said it felt PERSONAL cause someone from my country died. Seems like if someone says one thing that is disagreed by others they totally jump that person.
either way, you're entitled to your own opinion, and if you thought that life was worthless. be my guest.
and its not just cause chinese died. even if it were not, i would still wonder why they kept bombing the place despite numerous communications telling them to please stop bombing the damn UN POST.
there is no need to starting bashing me just because i said it felt PERSONAL cause someone from my country died. Seems like if someone says one thing that is disagreed by others they totally jump that person.
either way, you're entitled to your own opinion, and if you thought that life was worthless. be my guest.
Sat Jul 29, 2006 1:32 pm
How is that jumping on you? One countryman of yours dies and you only care about that...
Sat Jul 29, 2006 1:43 pm
well. apparently I do. but oh well 
guess i'll be done with this. i seriously dont want a huge argument and ended up hating the other or something
truce or something?
guess i'll be done with this. i seriously dont want a huge argument and ended up hating the other or something
truce or something?
Sat Jul 29, 2006 4:35 pm
Matthew wrote:Jews have influence over everything in America. Media, Government, you name it. Why else would the US give over $100 Billion in "aid" to Israel?
They are a powerfull loby groupd with Jew's in the senate, but you make it sound like its a bad thing.
Israel is using American made missiles to kill 400+ innocent Lebanese and Palestianian civilians. Women, children, elderly. And for what?
Here are the FACTS: 3 LEBANESE prisoners have been imprisoned in Israel for over 7 years. Hezbollah captured 2 Israeli soldiers on the condition that there would be an exchange. This is not counting the THOUSANDS of Lebanese and Palestianian prisoners that have been imprisoned in Israel for decades. But Israel starts a war over what could have been a simple exchange? Hezbollah did not start this war.
So yes, it is a bad thing.
Sat Jul 29, 2006 6:55 pm
Israel is using American made missiles to kill 400+ innocent Lebanese and Palestianian civilians. Women, children, elderly. And for what?
You make out as if Hezbollah doesn't fire missiles as well. Where they are from doesn't really mean anything. And it is unfortunate that civillians die. But heres the difference and why hezbollah recieves no sympathy from me: they celebrate civillian deaths when they kill jews. There is no excuse or justification for that line on thinking... none whatsoever.
Here are the FACTS: 3 LEBANESE prisoners have been imprisoned in Israel for over 7 years. Hezbollah captured 2 Israeli soldiers on the condition that there would be an exchange. This is not counting the THOUSANDS of Lebanese and Palestianian prisoners that have been imprisoned in Israel for decades. But Israel starts a war over what could have been a simple exchange? Hezbollah did not start this war.
Are you serious? You're comparing 3 war criminals to a soldier being kidnapped whilst being on his own land doing nothing, and they should simply exchange the prisioners? I don't think so.
So yes, it is a bad thing.
Just come out and admit you're anti jewish with no real reason.
Sat Jul 29, 2006 9:50 pm
From what I remember, he's Arab, so that could explain it.