FOR THOSE WHO THINK "THE DYNASTY" IS OVER...

[kingjames23]

REMEMBER THAT THE BULLS WON 3, JORDAN RETIRED AND TWO YEARS LATER WHEN HE CAME BACK ORLANDO SENT THEM FISHING. THEY STILL CAME BACK TO WIN 3 MORE..... WITH A VERY REVAMPED LINEUP.
the celtics lost one in the 60's, but came back for a few more.... was the dynasty over? i think not
THE LAKERS WILL DO THE SAME.... IF THEY DONT RECLAIM THE TITLE NEXT YEAR, THEN IN 2005 FOR SURE (IM THINKING THE KINGS NEXT YEAR, THEY"RE DUE)
THEY (LA) WILL CLEAN HOUSE IN THE OFFSEASON, BRING IN SOME VETERAN HELP PROBABLY AT THE 4 SPOT, AND LIKELY MOVE THE STARTERS OTHER THAN KOBE AND SHAQ TO THE BENCH.... THIS TEAM WILL BE BACK NEXT YEAR, AND KOBE IS GOING TO HAVE A FIRE UNDER HIS ASS LIKE NEVER BEFORE.... SHAQ WILL HAVE TO GET INTO BETTER SHAPE THOUGH....HE NEEDS TO BE FIT TO START NEXT SEASON.
IN ANY CASE, THE DYNASTY IS FAR FROM OVER.... CONGRATS TO THE SPURS (i believe without the injuries, and a little luck on that last shot by horry in game 5, la would be advancing instead, but then again, the pistons wouldnt have gotten thier first title without the injuries to the lakers in the 90 finals either) THEY DID A GREAT JOB AGAINST A TEAM HOBBLED BY INJURIES, SURE.... BUT REMEMBER, THE ADMIRAL WONT BE THERE NEXT YEAR.... AND DUNCAN WILL PLAY CENTER, SHAQ WONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ROBINSON.... AND HE'LL DOMINATE DUNCAN. PLUS HE WILL HAVE A SOLID PF NEXT YEAR, SOMETHING THEY LACKED THIS YEAR.... the spurs will probably take the title this year, but im not jumping on the bandwagon
ANYWAYS THE POINT IS, THE "WICKED WITCH" ISNT DEAD.... FOR ALL YOU ANTI LAKER FOLKS.... SHE'S REGROUPING and will take revenge soon

BY THE WAY, THIS LAKER TEAM WOULD HAVE CRUSHED THE 96-98 BULLS
LONGLEY WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO COVER SHAQ.... AND THE ONLY REASON THEY WENT FOR 72 WINS IN 96 IS BECAUSE THE 3POINT LINE GOT MOVED IN (look it up) JORDAN HAD A GREAT YEAR SHOOTING 3'S THAT YEAR... BECAUSE 3'S WERE IN HIS RANGE FINALLY....
THIS LAKER TEAM HAS THE POTENTIAL TO DO THE SAME THING CHICAGO DID, MAYBE EVEN SURPASS IT.... 7 titles in 8 years maybe?
no disrespect to MJ, he was the greatest.....

[scubilete]

Nice Caps,

no disrespect to MJ, he was the greatest....

[Jackal]

Well i dont agree with everything written above.....but i can say this as a laker fan....they gonna woop ass 2003-2004 season....no doubt Kobe has the will.......and Shaq is the best...u know anyone who can stop that guy??? Anyways...Shaq will be in shape he said...No more toes and knee's gonna stop him next year i hope....as he said: We have to suck it up and go out and play...and Kobe put it best...Our season begins RITE NOW....and went to the gym i dont care bout the laker haters..let em hate...Lakers will reign again...

[rUsTy]

1- see that little button above shift, make sure thats off next time!!!!!

2- Where are u getting the money to buy all these great players u say uare getting in all your other posts?

3- get over it you post pretty much the exact thing every time about how lakers will get all these players in the offseason (they are oviously going to pay them in peanuts) and how they are gonna be so good

4- San An will loose Robinson next year, which means they will have a shitload of free space so actualy sign a good player not just say they will like lakers, so they will proberbly be better next year then this year with the old ageing robinson.

5- BWT i suggest you slow down, your constant spam of pretty much exactly the same thing is irritating me so im pretty sure it would be getting on other peoples nerves also.

[Jackal]

1- see that little button above shift, make sure thats off next time!!!!!

lol at CliT

[kingjames23]

OH I SEE, YOU FEEL THREATENED WHEN I'M YELLING???!!!
sooooo sorry, that better?

by the way, im not spamming, its just so many are hating! tell them to stop thier hatefull b.s. and i 'll stop responding to it.

i never said they would definatly get ALL those players, i think its a good possibility they will get 2 new starters either on the way up, or 2 veterans who can settle into being the 3rd and 4th option.... pippen especially is a TEAM player and would settle for less money. malone wants to go to LA as well... where will the money come from? clear the bench and send them all packing.... there's your money folks.
I guess we'll see next year then eh?

[Matthew]

BY THE WAY, THIS LAKER TEAM WOULD HAVE CRUSHED THE 96-98 BULLS
LONGLEY WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO COVER SHAQ.... AND THE ONLY REASON THEY WENT FOR 72 WINS IN 96 IS BECAUSE THE 3POINT LINE GOT MOVED IN (look it up) JORDAN HAD A GREAT YEAR SHOOTING 3'S THAT YEAR... BECAUSE 3'S WERE IN HIS RANGE FINALLY....
THIS LAKER TEAM HAS THE POTENTIAL TO DO THE SAME THING CHICAGO DID, MAYBE EVEN SURPASS IT.... 7 titles in 8 years maybe?
no disrespect to MJ, he was the greatest.....

Uh, Ok. Who would've gaurded Pippen? Who would've guarded Kukoc? MJ back then still is better than Kobe now.
Shaq would have to contend with a double team from Pippen, Jordan or Harper, with Luc just playing behind Shaq and the double coming from the top of the key and forcing him baseline and making him pick up his dribble. Rodman would clean the glass effectively and Kukoc would come off the bench for a nice scoring threat.

So in other words, the bulls would win.

Jordan back then still is the greatest of all time.

[MVP]

BY THE WAY, THIS LAKER TEAM WOULD HAVE CRUSHED THE 96-98 BULLS
LONGLEY WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO COVER SHAQ.... AND THE ONLY REASON THEY WENT FOR 72 WINS IN 96 IS BECAUSE THE 3POINT LINE GOT MOVED IN (look it up) JORDAN HAD A GREAT YEAR SHOOTING 3'S THAT YEAR... BECAUSE 3'S WERE IN HIS RANGE FINALLY....
THIS LAKER TEAM HAS THE POTENTIAL TO DO THE SAME THING CHICAGO DID, MAYBE EVEN SURPASS IT.... 7 titles in 8 years maybe?
no disrespect to MJ, he was the greatest.....

I don't deny the Lakers will probably be coming back and winning more championships. They have a great nucleus in Shaq/Kobe and P. Jackson.
Man, I think this Lakers team is great...but crushing the 96-98 Bulls???? I don't know about that.

As for your line of the "only reason" the Bulls had 72 wins in '96 was because of the 3 pt line being moved in.....man what's up with that? What you are saying is that the 3 pt line was not an advantage for the rest of the league? ..they had the same opportunity.

The Bulls team was dominating. They followed up that 72 win season with a 69 win season. Everybody on that team knew their role. Their defence was suffocating....they had 2 of the leagues best defensive players..and you could throw in Rodman too. Like you said, MJ was the greatest!

I admit this dream series would be a good one to watch, but Crushing the Bulls is out of the question.

Longley vs Shaq
Rodman vs Horry
Pippen vs Fox
Jordan vs Bryant
Harper vs Fisher

For the Bench I'm just putting in players that gets in some minutes (not garbage time)...
Lakers Bench:George, Walker, Madsen, Shaw
Bulls Bench: Kukoc (6th man of the year in '96), Kerr, Buchler, Wennington, Brown (defensive purposes)....do you wanna throw in Brian Williams (aka Bison Dele) who played in '97

During the Bulls run...Jackson used his bench...and gave players meaningful minutes.

PS. I'm not trashing you or anything and everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, but I'm just looking at it from the other side.

[kingjames23]

the bulls had problems with utah my friend.... the lakers are a much better team than the 97-98 jazz

unless you forget, the bulls never faced a team with a dominant bigman and won, with the exception of the knicks, who drove them to several game sevens.... houston and san antonio always did well against the bulls, but never faced them in the finals... if the bulls had made it past orl, houston would have beat them
orlando and shaq eliminated chicago in the 95 playoffs.... if you recall.
even phil jackson has admited the bulls couldnt beat the lakers in seven, both teams at thier prime. perhaps not the lakers this year, but the teams in 01 and 02 would have given them their moneys worth...

kobe, while not jordan's equal, would do a good job on him defensively.... jordan wouldnt have an easy day with kobe

[Steve04]

Goodness, you cant use 93-94.94-95 as comparison when Jordan was retired......

I think the series would be close but not a blowout.

[em]

REMEMBER THAT THE BULLS WON 3, JORDAN RETIRED AND TWO YEARS LATER WHEN HE CAME BACK ORLANDO SENT THEM FISHING. THEY STILL CAME BACK TO WIN 3 MORE.....

well dats when mj retired..they lost sure..the lackers had nobody retiring..only a lost to fox. like he was going to do sumthin to help them win the series.. so they lost with both their best playas in the gm..juss look at the kings. they went 7 w/out webber for 5 of those gms..they had more heart than the lackers ever did..

IF THEY DONT RECLAIM THE TITLE NEXT YEAR, THEN IN 2005 FOR SURE

stop being so sure lacker fans..as long as the spurs keep getting better..they will be the team to beat..not lackers!

CONGRATS TO THE SPURS (i believe without the injuries, and a little luck on that last shot by horry in game 5, la would be advancing instead

stop being so ignorant dude..stop whining..stop complaining..llook at the kings, they lost gm 7 to dallas, they didnt complain bout having their key injury to webber and suck it up and move on..but of course lacker fans will be crying (like fish and kobster! ) for ages until they win nother title..

THEY DID A GREAT JOB AGAINST A TEAM HOBBLED BY INJURIES, SURE.... BUT REMEMBER, THE ADMIRAL WONT BE THERE NEXT YEAR.... AND DUNCAN WILL PLAY CENTER, SHAQ WONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ROBINSON.... AND HE'LL DOMINATE DUNCAN. PLUS HE WILL HAVE A SOLID PF NEXT YEAR, SOMETHING THEY LACKED THIS YEAR....

why dont u say dat to dallas? didnt they do the same? u cant cry and make excuses when u lose a playa to injury..it happens..ie. billups, cwebb, mutombo..nobody cries bout it, everyone plays through it, if they lose they lose..move onto offseason and come back next yr..trying to better the team/record..whateva..but as far as lacker fans r concern..they will whine and cry bout it..wont give much credit for the tm dat beat them..if they do theyll make sum stoopid excuse of y they lost.. u knw wut dude? i heard olowokandi, and jermaine o'neal might be signing w/ da spurs next season..and j kidd maybe..dont bet on shaq steam rolling ova duncan like u said.. he'll dominate duncan?? i saw the opposite in gm 6? shaq had no answer for most of the time he guarded him?

ANYWAYS THE POINT IS, THE "WICKED WITCH" ISNT DEAD.... FOR ALL YOU ANTI LAKER FOLKS.... SHE'S REGROUPING and will take revenge soon

sure..

BY THE WAY, THIS LAKER TEAM WOULD HAVE CRUSHED THE 96-98 BULLS
LONGLEY WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO COVER SHAQ.... AND THE ONLY REASON THEY WENT FOR 72 WINS IN 96 IS BECAUSE THE 3POINT LINE GOT MOVED IN (look it up) JORDAN HAD A GREAT YEAR SHOOTING 3'S THAT YEAR... BECAUSE 3'S WERE IN HIS RANGE FINALLY....

u r pathetic.. jordan and pip in his prime..along w/ kerr and jim paxson..the best tm they had will crush lackers..u think kobe can handle mj then? plz....shaq might be able to take luc longley..but u knw they will find a way to stop dat sum how..btw..a 3pt line is shorter or wut not..like the fans or playas get to decide where they r?? i dont think so buddy boy..back then it is shorter..so wut? not its farther..so wut?? wut goes on in the gm and how they play it is wut matters..the playas decide how the gm plays for most then now lackers need ref assistance..we so call lacker hater has a good point dude..i mean most of the other 28 nba tms/fans knw they (lackers) get the treatment..why dont u think so? cos ya a lacker fan? plz..i think they should get a new commish..fire dat bitchass david stern and take away all 3 nba titles frm l.a. these past 3 yrs cos they didnt deserve shit..they cheat to win..

and Shaq is the best...u know anyone who can stop that guy???

any tm can easily stop him if the refs call every single offensive foul on him.. look dude, common sense..a guy dat big able to play most of the season w/out fouling out more than 85% of da time..sumthin aint rite there.. he charges into pples chest w/ his elbow..bulldoze to get inside..and the refs let all dat shit happeN? anyone w/ eyez can see dat itz an offensive foul..then theres the 'lane violation' wheneva shaqq shoots fts..i believe da rulez say a playas foot cannot go ova the line BEFORE the ball hits the rim? well take a look at shaqs foot wheneva he shoots.. a gm should be called fairly and every single thing should be called when itz dat easy to look at a guys foot..when itz rite there anyone can see..

1- see that little button above shift, make sure thats off next time!!!!!

he's still mad ova the spurs beating the lackers..so he has to yell..

4- San An will loose Robinson next year, which means they will have a shitload of free space so actualy sign a good player not just say they will like lakers, so they will proberbly be better next year then this year with the old ageing robinson.

as i said..michael olowokandi, jermaine oneal express interest in joining san antonio..who wouldnt? they r probably the next best tm to join for an nba title..they r however..BETTER than l.a...look at the playas they have..lackers have no bench? then of course j kidd might want to tm up with tim duncan..which will maake them unstoppable pretty much..

pippen especially is a TEAM player and would settle for less money. malone wants to go to LA as well... where will the money come from? clear the bench and send them all packing.... there's your money folks.
I guess we'll see next year then eh?

sumthin for all u lacker fans to think about..i got this frm latimes.com

"The Lakers hope to get Pippen on a minimum $1.4-million deal. Insiders say 1) Scottie won't work that cheap and 2) Portland owner Paul Allen is likely to offer a $10-million, two-year deal just to keep him away from the Lakers. Similarly, the Kings are wooing every free agent they think the Lakers want and will probably offer Clark an extension, to keep him away from the Lakers."

[scubilete]

I admit this dream series would be a good one to watch, but Crushing the Bulls is out of the question.

Longley vs Shaq
Rodman vs Horry
Pippen vs Fox
Jordan vs Bryant
Harper vs Fisher

For the Bench I'm just putting in players that gets in some minutes (not garbage time)...
Lakers Bench:George, Walker, Madsen, Shaw
Bulls Bench: Kukoc (6th man of the year in '96), Kerr, Buchler, Wennington, Brown (defensive purposes)....do you wanna throw in Brian Williams (aka Bison Dele) who played in '97

During the Bulls run...Jackson used his bench...and gave players meaningful minutes.

I agree it would be a good series to watch. As for the Bench players Kerr, Buchler, Wennington, Brown would be more or less same bench you mentioned of those Lakers, but still you didn't mention Slava who showed he got game. Brian Williams just played 9 games that year, I wouldn't count him as a possibility to come from anywhere. But true, Phil used more his bench back to the Bulls days.

Still it would be debating to know what 3peat squads were better, the 72 wins was a real good combination, we are talking about a team who didn't have much injuries also.

[kingjames23]

jordan came back in the last part of the 94/95 season wearing #45
orlando beat them badly

shaq is a much better player now, and kobe is damn better than penny

its pretty simple

ok so maybe crush is a little much, but it would go to 7 games, and if it happened i give l.a. the edge, i dont mean to say it'd be a sweep

[em]

jordan came back in the last part of the 94/95 season wearing #45
orlando beat them badly

shaq is a much better player now, and kobe is damn better than penny

its pretty simple

ok so maybe crush is a little much, but it would go to 7 games, and if it happened i give l.a. the edge, i dont mean to say it'd be a sweep

he juss came back frm baseball..u cant expect him to dominate right away.. so shaqs orlando team beat a not so good bulls tm..at least not the best yet..

ur team also didnt beat the spurs at sbc..and they didnt take them to gm 7 either..

[Legin]

OH I SEE, YOU FEEL THREATENED WHEN I'M YELLING???!!!

Yes......I don't like it when the bunnies yell at each other

Anyway..why is it hating to not like the lakers? Why is it hating to be glad they lost? In that case, you're a Knick hater *grr*

Anyway......Lackers won't win next year, and will be hard pressed to win the year after that. If Shaq's foot problems continue, and he shows the same lack of committment he showed this year, the lackers aren't going anywhere...shaq needs to control his weight. And who knows where Kobe's going......I'm sure he'd like to stay in L.A., where more and more shots are coming to him, but I also don't think he'd mind jumping off to some franchise where he could be the man. (Charlotte maybe? it's possible.)

So anyway, the Lackers have too many issues....you guys can't put stock in just Shaq and Kobe year after year to win titles...

[rUsTy]

is this going to happen with or without your 5 new free agent superstars u'll be signing?

[Jackal]

and Shaq is the best...u know anyone who can stop that guy???

any tm can easily stop him if the refs call every single offensive foul on him.. look dude, common sense..a guy dat big able to play most of the season w/out fouling out more than 85% of da time..sumthin aint rite there.. he charges into pples chest w/ his elbow[/quote]

Well that is ur opinion...im just defendin myself since u said the common sense thing....when u quoted me..and said all the chargin thing and shaq being that big...its as if ur blamin the guy for bein big... how can he help that...its the same thing like say....Micheal Jordan posting up on Mugsy Bogues...u wudnt call that a charge wud u?....just becuz sumone doest foul out...being BIG...doesnt mean he is a dirty player i dont get this...I am quite big...play ball...whenever i back down ppl...they move....aint my fault im bigger and stronger is it ...u cant blame that on me....he doesnt charge ppl with his elbow maybe sumtimes but then he is called...c'mon now ur just dissin the guy cuz he's big....i agree with the freethrow part...but bein a big guy myslef...(compared to others here that play ball) I strongly do not agree with u about the charge and body usage... sorry if i sound harsh etc..i dont want this to become a flame thing cuz its interestin sharin my thoughts...as long as ppl dont start flamin...just respect my opinion like i repect urs as is said just now......thats ur opinion and i respect it...

[MVP]

jordan came back in the last part of the 94/95 season wearing #45
orlando beat them badly

True,...The Bulls lost to the Magic in 6 games that year. But, in the East Finals in '96..the Bulls swept the Magic in 4.

Yeah, Shaq is better now...but he only started winning when Phil Jackson got there. Before that, Shaq and co just got swept.

[Jackal]

Hihihi sowwy guys...one last small thing i did say....u know anyone who can stop Shaq....meanin one person...uno...not a team not a double team one...the best i think was Dikembe....no one else so far anyways...tell me..who do u guys think cud stop shaq...now u guys got me thinkin....! bad guys...im talkin about one person..not more than one...any players allowed legends etc

[kingjames23]

lets not forget that the lakers dethroned the spurs to become champions initially, swept them as a matter of fack. this years laker team was a little thin in the bench compared to that laker team.... next year they will add depth.... you seem to think that the spurs will be able to get whoever they want because the lakers didnt win this time.... that everyone thinks the spurs are the best team in the league? thats ludicrous. the lakers have just as good of a chance of landing some quality help as the spurs do. best record doesnt mean best team.

lets not forget the lakers only had one loss in the playoffs a few years ago, and with the exception of this year, they have dominated the spurs.... you dont think they will have the same exact team next year if they couldnt repeat with this one do you?

yes, i blame injuries. sacramento would have advanced if webber hadnt gotten injured, and the spurs would be in trouble not facing a one dimensional mavs team in the next round.
and as far as the laker's cheating? that is bullshit. did you watch game 1? the lakers couldnt get a break from the refs, and bruce bowen was practically inside kobe's jersey! and i never said THEY WERE CHEATING... COME ON NOW.
as far as the LA CHI matchup, no one will ever know.... im just going by chicagos play against dominant centers.... and it was obviously a weak
spot.

[rUsTy]

the lakers have just as good of a chance of landing some quality help as the spurs do. best record doesnt mean best team.

when will u get it through your head lakers have no money to spend on players? spurs will have loads of money to spend on free agents in the offseason, lakers have bugger all. Get it through your head will ya?

[kingjames23]

ok, um clit?
the lakers are getting rid of alot of thier bench players... there's your money.
robinson is one player... so we'll assume the spurs get one FA to take his place, ok?

jermain oneal will stay in indiana.... they're on there way up, and he's the star there



who will win between LA and CHI in a hypothetical matchup of champions?

final answer

depends on which team phil jackson is coaching, and if both teams are completely injury free.

[Matthew]

King James, dude, buddy, lol. The spurs have alot of cap room. And they can offer a max contract to anyone out there. The Spurs in my opinion should go after Payton or Jermaine O'neal.

And the Lakers beat portland and indiana to claim their first title. They beat San Antonio the year after.

the bulls had problems with utah my friend.... the lakers are a much better team than the 97-98 jazz

The same Jazz team that swept away the Lakers? The Jazz were a great team. They had the best power foward and point guard on the same team. Plus a great shooter and above average defender in bryon russel and firepower off the bench. Plus they had top notch coaching, which was evident by how easily they dispatched the more talented lakers.

unless you forget, the bulls never faced a team with a dominant bigman and won, with the exception of the knicks, who drove them to several game sevens....

The Knicks didn't force them to several game sevens. They did once in 92, and once again in 94. But neither were in the 96-98 time period. Plus in 94, mj wasn't around. Also, the Bulls destroyed shaq and the Magic in 96, plus they beat Alonzo mourning and the heat in 97, and as you mentioned patrick ewing. So don't say they never faced bigman and won, becuase they did

orlando and shaq eliminated chicago in the 95 playoffs.... if you recall.
even phil jackson has admited the bulls couldnt beat the lakers in seven, both teams at thier prime. perhaps not the lakers this year, but the teams in 01 and 02 would have given them their moneys worth...

PJ also said the Kings didnt challange the Lakers last year, is that right too?

kobe, while not jordan's equal, would do a good job on him defensively.... jordan wouldnt have an easy day with kobe

Kobe would be a fun matchup against mike, but remember what MJ did to Drexler in 92? They were supposed to be "close". Also MJ took Payton apart in the 96 finals, and payton was the defensive player of the year that season and Mike toyed with him.

[rUsTy]

the lakers are getting rid of alot of thier bench players... there's your money.

i take it you have no idea how far over the cap lakers actualy are, so im not even going to bother with you


4.5 mil is all u have to spend, absolute max u wont get rid of enough players to bring u under the cap

accept it kid

[Andrew]

The Lakers are $22 million over the cap. Even if they got rid of everyone except Shaq, Kobe, Fisher, Horry, Fox and George, as you suggested in the other thread, they'd be $8.5 million over the cap - with no more than their mid-level exception to spend. There's no way they can clear that much cap room without getting rid of all but Shaq and Kobe - and even then, it's only around $4 million anyway.