Andrew Bynum article @ Page 2 (Insert corny ESPN title here)

[J@3]

There's not just one degree of bust... Diop and Kwame are both busts, but that isn't going to stop Kwame from getting some decent money in free agency this offseason.

[Andrew]

Any team that throws a ridiculous amount of money (say, $10 million) at Kwame deserves what they're getting though. It's kind of like drafting a high school player in the first place. If you take the risk when there's a better option, you have to live with the mistake. Though surely Kwame won't be able to get $10 million per year...surely anyone with enough money to make overpriced bids for Kwame Brown will be pursuing one of the top free agents.

[The Game]

I read somewhere that MJ once called Kwame a flaming faggot...

[J@3]

Yeah he did, multiple times apparentely... Stro Swift is asking for around $10,000,000 a season, that one draft years ago is going to fuck up so many teams salary caps.

[The Game]

Nawlins would probably be stupid enough to pay him that much... Ugh!

[Andrew]

Yeah he did, multiple times apparentely... Stro Swift is asking for around $10,000,000 a season, that one draft years ago is going to fuck up so many teams salary caps.

Stro was drafted in 2000, Kwame in 2001. Both those drafts had their fair share of disappointments.

[Indy]

Holy shit, I just realized Bynum is younger then me...

[AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy]

Holy shit, I just realized Bynum is younger then me...

... and any other player ever drafted...

[Indy]

Holy shit, I just realized Bynum is younger then me...

... and any other player ever drafted...

What's your point?

[Drex]

That Bynum is the youngest ever to be drafted, at age 17

[Indy]

That Bynum is the youngest ever to be drafted, at age 17

Well, I was never drafted in to the NBA, so I didn't think it should come as such a shock that I was older then Bynum.

That is pretty scary that guys my age are being drafted. It almost makes me think the age limit is a good idea j/k.

[Carmo]

I was lookin at Bynum's profile and he was putting up some pretty huge numbers in high school, especially rebounding:

2005 Postseason All-Star Games: Tallied nine points and five rebounds in 11 minutes in the McDonald’s High School All-American Game. Scored 13 points and grabbed five rebounds for the Gray squad at the Jordan Classic.

Senior (2004-05): Averaged 22.0 points, 16.0 rebounds and 5.0 blocks.

Junior (2003-04): Averaged 17.0 points, 14.0 rebounds and 7.0 blocks.

That is pretty impressive! I know it will be totally different in the NBA but I don't reckon you can write him off with those numbers. Also in the maccas allstar game he got that in 11 mins! What the hell!!!

[AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy]

What's your point?

The 'rolleyes' smiley was referring to Bynum's age , not you Indy...

I was lookin at Bynum's profile and he was putting up some pretty huge numbers in high school, especially rebounding:

2005 Postseason All-Star Games: Tallied nine points and five rebounds in 11 minutes in the McDonald’s High School All-American Game. Scored 13 points and grabbed five rebounds for the Gray squad at the Jordan Classic.

Senior (2004-05): Averaged 22.0 points, 16.0 rebounds and 5.0 blocks.

Junior (2003-04): Averaged 17.0 points, 14.0 rebounds and 7.0 blocks.

That is pretty impressive! I know it will be totally different in the NBA but I don't reckon you can write him off with those numbers. Also in the maccas allstar game he got that in 11 mins! What the hell!!!

Let me tell you something. If my grandmother was 7 feet tall and weight in at 300 pounds, she'd have similar highschool averages.

[Fresh8]

I was lookin at Bynum's profile and he was putting up some pretty huge numbers in high school, especially rebounding:

2005 Postseason All-Star Games: Tallied nine points and five rebounds in 11 minutes in the McDonald’s High School All-American Game. Scored 13 points and grabbed five rebounds for the Gray squad at the Jordan Classic.

Senior (2004-05): Averaged 22.0 points, 16.0 rebounds and 5.0 blocks.

Junior (2003-04): Averaged 17.0 points, 14.0 rebounds and 7.0 blocks.

That is pretty impressive! I know it will be totally different in the NBA but I don't reckon you can write him off with those numbers. Also in the maccas allstar game he got that in 11 mins! What the hell!!!

- Trust me, those aren't that huge. He's playing against people half his size... this is what i call impressive: named the MVP of the 2003 FIBA Junior World Championships in Greece in July after leading the Aussies to the title ... in eight games in the tournament, averaged 26.3 points, 17.0 rebounds, 2.5 assists and 1.5 blocked shots per game ... shot 61 percent from the field and 74 percent from the line ... had 22 points and 18 rebounds in a 106-85 win over the USA in the quarterfinals of the medal round

Not trying to make it sound like Andrew pwns Andrew... but if he is like that, I would say thats huge.

With no nba experience whatsoever...

- Your point being? I already said, 'Not saying that Bogut is allowed to talk obviously, in the end though, he has more of a voice.' I'll rephrase, 'Not saying that Bogut can talk but if it ever came down to it, Bogut would have more of a say than Bynum. If Bogut can learn to keep his mouth shut, I'm sure Bynum will too.

Exactly. The kid is barely 18, give the kid a break.

- It's not a fact of giving him a break but I see it more of a fact about how he's showing his 'respect' to the great big men who are the pioneers of the game. He shouldn't be saying anything before he's done anything for the orginisation.

[The Game]

Not saying that Bogut can talk but if it ever came down to it, Bogut would have more of a say than Bynum. If Bogut can learn to keep his mouth shut, I'm sure Bynum will too.

What exactly did Bynum do? Do you have enough brain cells to realize that Bynum was joking about Shaq's FT comment? Do you have enough common sense to realize the difference between Bynum's comments and Bogut's comments?

[Fresh8]

What exactly did Bynum do?

All he did was subtly compare himself to two of the best big men in the history of the NBA.

Do you have enough common sense to realize the difference between Bynum's comments and Bogut's comments?

Do you have the braincell to realise that Bogut was asking not to be compared to someone by presenting facts about himself?

[The X]

I think we get the point guys....both guys have great 1st names, but both are copping a lot of crap for nothing....save it for when the season starts

[The Game]

All he did was subtly compare himself to two of the best big men in the history of the NBA.

He compared himself to Kareem? He said something about bringing back the skyhook...he never said that he was the next Kareem. The Shaq comments were obviously a joke. Only a stupid mindless idiot would assume otherwise.

Do you have the braincell to realise that Bogut was asking not to be compared to someone by presenting facts about himself?

Facts totally irrelevant due to the fact that he is yet to play a minute of nba basketball.

[Fresh8]

He compared himself to Kareem? He said something about bringing back the skyhook...he never said that he was the next Kareem. The Shaq comments were obviously a joke. Only a stupid mindless idiot would assume otherwise.

If I'm totally stupid then what is someone who is saying the facts that Bogut layed out were irrelevent? He said, 'i have had the best college career out of all the aussie ballers who have played us college ball and i am not a white stiff.' Those two facvts are relevent in asking not to be compared to Luc Longley. So what if he hasn't played a minute of NBA basketball? He never said, 'look at me, i'm going to be more succesful..' he just said, 'i have been the most succesful in college, so so far, u cant compare me to Luc Longley.

He compared himself to Kareem?

In a very subtle manner, words can be taken in different ways.

[The Game]

I would really appreciate it of you would post Longley's collegiate stats and Bogut's collegiate stats.

If I'm totally stupid then what is someone who is saying the facts that Bogut layed out were irrelevent?

Irrelevant considering he is yet to play a single minute of nba basketball.

He never said, 'look at me, i'm going to be more succesful..' he just said, 'i have been the most succesful in college, so so far, u cant compare me to Luc Longley.

but...
He never said, 'look at me, i'm going to be more succesful

is another way of saying...

i have been the most succesful in college, so so far, u cant compare me to Luc Longley.

[The X]

don't know his stats, but from memory, Luc Longley played at New Mexico, in no doubt a high scoring offense which padded his stats....I think he was a #7 pick by Minnesota and was immediately tabbed as a bust and never got rid of that label....being signed by the Bulls saved his career and allowed him to lessen his bust status....his career averages are something like 6 and 6 in NBA, if that....

[J@3]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... llu01.html

They have his (Longley) college stats... quite impressive, but he didn't win any of the awards Bogut won. Add to the fact that Longley was in college 4 years, and started playing well in his last 2 years whereas Bogut only played 2 years and starred mostly in the 2nd.

Longley's first 2 college years:

4ppg (Freshman)
13ppg (Soph)

Whereas Bogut's were something like 14ppg (Freshman), 20ppg (Soph)... either ways, I can't wait to see Bynum playing in summer league... or read about it, it'll give us Laker fans some idea of what to expect.

ALSO... I read his draft profile at nbadraft.net, and they mention he has a very nice baby hook... so maybe his skyhook thing isn't TOO far off

[The X]

that's why Longley was considered a bust....a top college player who achieved not much relative to expectations that come with a #7 pick (I think he went at 7)....and the high octane New Mexico offense must have helped....