United States Presidential Election 2004

[GloveGuy]

With less than two weeks left until the Election, I thought it would be fitting to start a thread about it. Though I imagine the majority of the forum is not American, the actions of the United States often take a key part in today's world events.

So basically, just give your opinion. Say who'd you like to win. If you're eligible to vote, please say who you're going to vote for. If you'd like to keep that confidential, sounds cool...

Me, I'm a big Kerry supporter. Living in Massachusetts has affected that a lot. But most of all, I dislike Bush, especially his administration.

The topic is open to all nationalities.

[Old School Fool]

Bush.

What the fuck is with Ralph Nader?! You know the guy will never get picked.

[Stevan]

I'd like to see Bush lose... either that or win and get assassinated

The election that affects me has passed, so for the next few years we're going to have our lips firmly planted on America's ass irregardless of who wins the US election.

Politics... great stuff

[Riot]

Kerry is going to give the middle class tax cuts but he is going to double the taxes for small buisnesses which will kill them. They can't afford a tax increase which will cause a lot of small buisnesses to fold and we would be left with more monopoly's then we have now.

Kerry says the middle class are paying the most taxes which is completely false. In 2003 the wealthy were paying 82% of the taxes.


If I could vote, Bush.

[Old School Fool]

Actually forget Bush and Every Candidate.

Okafor in '04.

[Matt]

hmmm, i thought that Kerry would be a clear choice but there are other factors to consider besides the war, economy, education. Things like stances on gay marriage, abortion, stem cell reasearch......i'm against all and i think Bush is as well, at least more against it than Kerry so in the end, it's hard for me to stomache it but I would vote BUSH, even though i dislike him cos he's stupid

[Matthew]

I'd vote for NASA if i could but i cant . For everyone who says George W. is a dumbass, just remember John Kerry is 10 times as worse

[Andreas Dahl]

I'm not a US citizen, so I'm not aware of how the candidates stand on several issues. But I am of the strong conviction that Georgie is a bad president, and especially a bad leader, in the sence of leading the country (and parts of the world) to a better place.

So my vote would go on Kerry just to get Georgie out of office.

[Guest]

Bush, Kerry & Hugh Hefner are all related(9th cousin once removed). I would vote for Hugh Hefner, but...



...im English and i don't give a fuck.

[benji]

Kerry is going to give the middle class tax cuts

No, he isn't. He's going to push for new tax credits. Which are not tax cuts. A tax credit means the government has decreed that some of the money you were strong-armed robbed out of, you can have back to spend on exactly what they tell you to spend it on.

there are other factors to consider besides the war

No, there aren't. The War is all that matters. The economy is the only other thing close to mattering because it provides the means to win The War.

I'd like to see Bush lose... either that or win and get assassinated

Man, fuck you and fuck your dog. And fuck Jae too. (There you go, Jae.)

George W. Bush is the only option we have this year. He is the only thing standing between us and the Caliphate.

Thank g**, the overwhelming majority of you people on this shithole (or that other shithole I am contractually obligated to spend time at in this cess pool we call a community) can't or won't vote or you'd put us all into the fucking Seventh Century.

/hissyfit

Good. Day. Sirs.

[Riot]

If I was able to vote I would vote for Bush, trust me.

[Jay-Peso]

George W. Bush

For some reasons as I will state below.

1. He has given a tax cut to all classes. People say that only "rich" people got the cut. Fact is lower class, middle class, upper class all got something back.

2. I don't believe that Kerry will cut taxes considering he has voted against it quite a number of times.

3. How can Kerry cut taxes, lower healthcare, and do the other things he has promised?

4. I believe we are right to have taken out Saddam. Why? I don't want another attack on America and nowadays, you're better off safe, then sorry! We all know he hated America and 10 years down the road he would have WMD's.

5. George W. Bush knows what he wants for the country, he does not try to satisfy both the republican and democrats. He says what he believes.

I don't want me people to automatically go against me because they like Kerry. No flames intended to anyone, I respect Kerry, Nader, and Bush. I also intend to keep this thread clean, so please don't take one of my reasons as offensive and automatically defend yourself/Kerry.

[Matthew]

Man, fuck you and fuck your dog.

Ben, shut the fuck up.

Regards,
Matthew

[J@3]

For everyone who says George W. is a dumbass, just remember John Kerry is 10 times as worse

Hehe that should be their election slogan "Vote Bush! I might be stupid, but the other guy's dumber"

Man, fuck you and fuck your dog. And fuck Jae too. (There you go, Jae.)

[Stevan]

have some cheese ben...

[Wormy10]

I'm not 18 so i cant vote, and if i could i wouldnt know who to vote for

The one thing that i found stupid was Afghanistan attacked us, and then we go to Iraq? I was lost after that one

[Riot]

Afghanistan mever attacked us. A single country hasn't attacked us...it's extremist, terrorist groups that have attacked us. Afghanistan is just where most of them hold their terror camps and their they hide. We went to Iraq because we feel Saddam was a threat to the world and that the world is a safer place with him out of power.

The media is saying that the war is going bad, nobody wants us there and what not. My teacher was deployed to Iraq last year (first group deployed, first group back). He says he never met one upset citizen of Iraq. They all want us there, badly. And then he goes on and lists that more kids have to up date shots, girls are allowed to be in school for the first time, most houses have water, they are currently training an Iraqi police force. Lots of things are looking up for the Iraqi people, they finally have hope. And for people who think this war isn't worth it just put yourself in their shoes. Maybe it won't benefit them but generations and generations later they will have the same freedoms as us. We are saving millions of lives and installing hope into them.

[GloveGuy]

The media is saying that the war is going bad, nobody wants us there and what not. My teacher was deployed to Iraq last year (first group deployed, first group back). He says he never met one upset citizen of Iraq. They all want us there, badly. And then he goes on and lists that more kids have to up date shots, girls are allowed to be in school for the first time, most houses have water, they are currently training an Iraqi police force. Lots of things are looking up for the Iraqi people, they finally have hope. And for people who think this war isn't worth it just put yourself in their shoes. Maybe it won't benefit them but generations and generations later they will have the same freedoms as us. We are saving millions of lives and installing hope into them.

The majority of the media is not saying the war is going bad. For ever liberal station there's another FX News out there.

What's makes this war even worse is that even the UN has said that it has not made the war any safer. We've gone in there with illegitimate backup and the wrong mindset, taking all credibility out of our nation.

If you really think all the Iraqis want us here then you clearly haven't watched Farenheit 9/11(propoganda my ass), which shows all the reasons why this war is wrong. In it you see a father cursing George Bush and America for taking the life of his baby girl. What was her crime? Did she do anything revolving 9/11. Hell, did Saddam Hussein even do something? Both answers are no.

Also, if Bush really plans on winning this war as President, he's going to have to amend the Constitution so he can have three terms, because there are terrorist groups in over 40 countries, if not more. This is what you get for starting an unwinnable war -- more terrorism and more hatred to America.

Kerry should be in office because I just can't take four more years of this shit that Bush has stirred up.

[Riot]

This war on terror isn't about winning now it's about eliminating the threats over a period of time.

I'll take the word of a soliders in Iraq over some fat-ass Michael Moore who is biased and retarded.

[GloveGuy]

This war on terror isn't about winning now it's about eliminating the threats over a period of time.

I'll take the word of a soliders in Iraq over some fat-ass Michael Moore who is biased and retarded.

There are threats in over fourty countries, like I said. Are we going to invade all of those countries so we can eliminate them? If so, get ready for another draft. The sad thing is, the world, including Dubya himself, was made more aware of terrorism that surrounds us because of 9/11. And now that we're in this war, we haven't even found the man heading the group behing the act. Define it how you want, Osama bin Laden was a bigger threat than Saddam Hussein.

Also, I'd rather take the word of a Iraqi civilian than a soldier who could possibly be pyschologically damaged. Michael Moore never said, video taped it, or took it out of context.

[Matt]

This war has gone bad. USA entered Iraq ILLEGALLY and w/o enough man power. There will be no victory, just plenty of lives lost, or should i say COLLATERAL DAMAGE

[Jackal]

have some cheese ben...

[Homer Voice] Mmm, cheese. [/Homer voice]

[Big-D]

i think bush is very ignorent and likes to use his personal vendetta to justify war but he would win my vote because im rich bitch

[Matthew]

This war has gone bad. USA entered Iraq ILLEGALLY and w/o enough man power. There will be no victory, just plenty of lives lost, or should i say COLLATERAL DAMAGE

oh caps . International law isnt worth the paper its written on Matt.. and a bunch of men in the un say its illegal, but yet a bunch of men in the coalition (including John Kerry back it the day ) said it was the right thing to do. Who is right? You know my answer, but does that make me right either?

[Andreas Dahl]

The Candidates: Irak Explosives Become Issue
280 Tons of explosives (HMX and RDX) was stolen from a USA millitary contoled warehouse almost 2,5 weeks ago despite IAEA's numerous warnings and recomendations.
Only one half of a kilo can blow up an entire air-plane, and now the opposition have 280 Tons. And yet has Georgie come out with a valid explenation or excuse for it.
It's not something to just brush away and hope none of it get's out. Those stuff can be used for blowing up buildings, attacking USA or coalition forces but also detonating nuklear weapons (if they can get a hold of the actuall weapons, which is rather impossible). Then how come Bush hasn't come out with this, even if he just found out about it 10 days ago (glitch in comunication, yea) he should have gone out with it and taken extreme precautions, instead of keeping it on the down low and hoping nothing happens with it.


CIA 'took detainees out of Iraq', says report

AS the dust raised by prisoner abuse scandal is yet to settle, The Washington Post has reported that the United States Intelligence Officers (CIA) have taken detainees out of Iraq for interrogation.

At the request of the CIA, the Justice Department allegedly compiled a secret memo allowing transfer of a dozen detainees over the last six months.

International Red Cross officials have not met with the detainees, an unnamed officer told journalist.

Legal experts have said the practice contravenes the Geneva Conventions.

Law specialists say the memo "amounts to a reinterpretation of one of the most basic rights of Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which protects civilians during wartime and occupation", The Washington Post said on Monday.

The treaty prohibits the "individual or mass forcible transfers", the newspaper notes.

Again not bother about internation exhortations and legislations...


Bush exploits suffering of 9/11, says Carter

George Bush has exploited the suffering of September 11 and turned back decades of efforts to make the world a safer place, the former president Jimmy Carter says in an interview with the Guardian published today.
Attacking Mr Bush and Tony Blair over Iraq, Mr Carter calls the war "a completely unjust adventure based on misleading statements".

He also criticises Mr Bush for "lack of effort" on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and accuses him of abandoning nuclear non-proliferation initiatives championed by five presidents.

The US "suffered, in 9/11, a terrible and shocking attack ... and George Bush has been adroit at exploiting that attack, and he has elevated himself, in the consciousness of many Americans, to a heroic commander-in-chief, fighting a global threat against America," Mr Carter says.

Anyone remember that thing with Palestine-Israel that happen before the war? It was rather big, not so much it seems anymore. Wierd how that works...