bluejaybrandon- Real 2019 Draft Released!

You didn't definitively say you wouldn't release but that seemed to be the tenor but in all fairness that could have been in response to those telling members that they could just get rookie mods from other sites so I apologize for saying you may not release. My point is that if you put out this above description of your draft class at its inception then members would have a better understanding of the project and it's release. My post was just to give a view from the other side when some express their disappointment.

As a side note, I don't have any issues with your timetable because I myself know that you take pride in making sure the project is 100% complete and to your satisfaction.

The comment about rookie mods from other sites was mostly to encourage others to do that. Some of my faces (namely the ones I made) are redundant because of those, so download them so they can be used. I even used that Cameron Johnson as a base for this class.

I made the point about why I make the class last year but I suppose I hadn't said it this year. That being said, having learned from last year I was very careful not to set a release date. Everything was left in flux regarding timing for this very reason. I didn't want anyone to hold me to a timeframe I wasn't comfortable with.

ok to be honest ...i think the people want that draft bro! we cant wait for this! no disrespect to you im just serious

You didn't definitively say you wouldn't release but that seemed to be the tenor but in all fairness that could have been in response to those telling members that they could just get rookie mods from other sites so I apologize for saying you may not release. My point is that if you put out this above description of your draft class at its inception then members would have a better understanding of the project and it's release. My post was just to give a view from the other side when some express their disappointment.

As a side note, I don't have any issues with your timetable because I myself know that you take pride in making sure the project is 100% complete and to your satisfaction.

The comment about rookie mods from other sites was mostly to encourage others to do that. Some of my faces (namely the ones I made) are redundant because of those, so download them so they can be used. I even used that Cameron Johnson as a base for this class.

I made the point about why I make the class last year but I suppose I hadn't said it this year. That being said, having learned from last year I was very careful not to set a release date. Everything was left in flux regarding timing for this very reason. I didn't want anyone to hold me to a timeframe I wasn't comfortable with.

Well there's your problem man, you may have not released any official date to which you'd share this project but you were discussing on the forums that you were PLANNING on dropping it draft night, since you had a relatively large pool and felt comfortable with your safety net. BUT in the rare occurrence that it happened you had mentioned there's 12 prospects in total you hadn't accounted for and that you'd like to work on for the completion of the project. So all people really would enjoy from you man is the version you were going to release draft night, it won't affect you in any way, you'll still be able to continue working on your project until completion and then sharing that as well as play it with your friends. Releasing this unfinished version would only make (the fans you didn't ask for) very happy. Even if you didn't want a following or views or donations or whatever, when you create a product people are gonna be interested in that project. Again man we understand the entire reason you're doing this for you and your friends to just have an enjoyable 2k experience as you've reiterated time and time again but you could also provide that to the community you've been involved in with 2 releases, the one ready on draft night and the one you'll eventually complete. If again the only reason you do this project is just for you and your friends to have some quality 2k then there's nothing harmful in releasing the unfinished version fans of yours so desperately want.

Personally I'm just tryna have a good 2k experience like you and ain't tryna visit these websites in a completely different language downloading sketchy files.

You didn't definitively say you wouldn't release but that seemed to be the tenor but in all fairness that could have been in response to those telling members that they could just get rookie mods from other sites so I apologize for saying you may not release. My point is that if you put out this above description of your draft class at its inception then members would have a better understanding of the project and it's release. My post was just to give a view from the other side when some express their disappointment.

As a side note, I don't have any issues with your timetable because I myself know that you take pride in making sure the project is 100% complete and to your satisfaction.

The comment about rookie mods from other sites was mostly to encourage others to do that. Some of my faces (namely the ones I made) are redundant because of those, so download them so they can be used. I even used that Cameron Johnson as a base for this class.

I made the point about why I make the class last year but I suppose I hadn't said it this year. That being said, having learned from last year I was very careful not to set a release date. Everything was left in flux regarding timing for this very reason. I didn't want anyone to hold me to a timeframe I wasn't comfortable with.

Well there's your problem man, you may have not released any official date to which you'd share this project but you were discussing on the forums that you were PLANNING on dropping it draft night, since you had a relatively large pool and felt comfortable with your safety net. BUT in the rare occurrence that it happened you had mentioned there's 12 prospects in total you hadn't accounted for and that you'd like to work on for the completion of the project. So all people really would enjoy from you man is the version you were going to release draft night, it won't affect you in any way, you'll still be able to continue working on your project until completion and then sharing that as well as play it with your friends. Releasing this unfinished version would only make (the fans you didn't ask for) very happy. Even if you didn't want a following or views or donations or whatever, when you create a product people are gonna be interested in that project. Again man we understand the entire reason you're doing this for you and your friends to just have an enjoyable 2k experience as you've reiterated time and time again but you could also provide that to the community you've been involved in with 2 releases, the one ready on draft night and the one you'll eventually complete. If again the only reason you do this project is just for you and your friends to have some quality 2k then there's nothing harmful in releasing the unfinished version fans of yours so desperately want.

Personally I'm just tryna have a good 2k experience like you and ain't tryna visit these websites in a completely different language downloading sketchy files.

See there in lies the problem huh...if I release an unfinished version than I’m everything I’ve criticized in the past. That’s the rushed projects with missing faces and inaccurate players that I’m not about to do. People want content, but I want a full product I’m proud of. If all 60 drafts picks would’ve been in the class I would’ve had no problem releasing it. But with a dozen missing, that’s not good enough. So I’ll finish those faces and release it.

You didn't definitively say you wouldn't release but that seemed to be the tenor but in all fairness that could have been in response to those telling members that they could just get rookie mods from other sites so I apologize for saying you may not release. My point is that if you put out this above description of your draft class at its inception then members would have a better understanding of the project and it's release. My post was just to give a view from the other side when some express their disappointment.

As a side note, I don't have any issues with your timetable because I myself know that you take pride in making sure the project is 100% complete and to your satisfaction.

The comment about rookie mods from other sites was mostly to encourage others to do that. Some of my faces (namely the ones I made) are redundant because of those, so download them so they can be used. I even used that Cameron Johnson as a base for this class.

I made the point about why I make the class last year but I suppose I hadn't said it this year. That being said, having learned from last year I was very careful not to set a release date. Everything was left in flux regarding timing for this very reason. I didn't want anyone to hold me to a timeframe I wasn't comfortable with.

Well there's your problem man, you may have not released any official date to which you'd share this project but you were discussing on the forums that you were PLANNING on dropping it draft night, since you had a relatively large pool and felt comfortable with your safety net. BUT in the rare occurrence that it happened you had mentioned there's 12 prospects in total you hadn't accounted for and that you'd like to work on for the completion of the project. So all people really would enjoy from you man is the version you were going to release draft night, it won't affect you in any way, you'll still be able to continue working on your project until completion and then sharing that as well as play it with your friends. Releasing this unfinished version would only make (the fans you didn't ask for) very happy. Even if you didn't want a following or views or donations or whatever, when you create a product people are gonna be interested in that project. Again man we understand the entire reason you're doing this for you and your friends to just have an enjoyable 2k experience as you've reiterated time and time again but you could also provide that to the community you've been involved in with 2 releases, the one ready on draft night and the one you'll eventually complete. If again the only reason you do this project is just for you and your friends to have some quality 2k then there's nothing harmful in releasing the unfinished version fans of yours so desperately want.

Personally I'm just tryna have a good 2k experience like you and ain't tryna visit these websites in a completely different language downloading sketchy files.

See there in lies the problem huh...if I release an unfinished version than I’m everything I’ve criticized in the past. That’s the rushed projects with missing faces and inaccurate players that I’m not about to do. People want content, but I want a full product I’m proud of. If all 60 drafts picks would’ve been in the class I would’ve had no problem releasing it. But with a dozen missing, that’s not good enough. So I’ll finish those faces and release it.

You wouldn't be releasing a project that was rushed with inaccurate players and missing faces and blah blah blah lol, you'd be releasing basically a mock draft version of your project. It was still the main project you were working on and planning to release but because of a wild night that project needed to adapt. Yes it'd be unfinished with missing the 12 prospects you didn't account for but it'd be a finished project in what you were originally going to release for this years draft so your point is just contradictory. You worked just as hard on your "mock draft" as you are and going to on your accurate draft. I don't understand why you have to be arguing with everyone over it though, we're all just trying to have a good 2k experience. At this point though it seems your too stubborn to release any version then your version of the perfect draft so I'm just looking forward to Shuajota's Realistic Roster that he comes out with.

You wouldn't be releasing a project that was rushed with inaccurate players and missing faces and blah blah blah lol, you'd be releasing basically a mock draft version of your project. It was still the main project you were working on and planning to release but because of a wild night that project needed to adapt. Yes it'd be unfinished with missing the 12 prospects you didn't account for but it'd be a finished project in what you were originally going to release for this years draft so your point is just contradictory. You worked just as hard on your "mock draft" as you are and going to on your accurate draft. I don't understand why you have to be arguing with everyone over it though, we're all just trying to have a good 2k experience. At this point though it seems your too stubborn to release any version then your version of the perfect draft so I'm just looking forward to Shuajota's Realistic Roster that he comes out with.

Perfect! Enjoy that project! I too look forward to it!

Could you post a picture of Darius Bazley with the Thunder? I'm pumped about him

I belive it's fair to say that "Good enough, but can be better" fits here well. Most people are fine with good enough. But for some, it aint. If you can do better, do it.

I have been waiting on this mod for ages (even tho I don't really post here anymore) I have my MyLeague on pause at offseason to get this draft class in it. And for example, I'm fine with it. At the end of the day, it's better to get a "product" that is great not just fine.

I belive it's fair to say that "Good enough, but can be better" fits here well. Most people are fine with good enough. But for some, it aint. If you can do better, do it.

I have been waiting on this mod for ages (even tho I don't really post here anymore) I have my MyLeague on pause at offseason to get this draft class in it. And for example, I'm fine with it. At the end of the day, it's better to get a "product" that is great not just fine.

I really appreciate this sentiment man. Thanks.

I belive it's fair to say that "Good enough, but can be better" fits here well. Most people are fine with good enough. But for some, it aint. If you can do better, do it.

I have been waiting on this mod for ages (even tho I don't really post here anymore) I have my MyLeague on pause at offseason to get this draft class in it. And for example, I'm fine with it. At the end of the day, it's better to get a "product" that is great not just fine.

I really appreciate this sentiment man. Thanks.

Or both... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ No reason as to why the people who are fine with "good enough" can't get "good enough" while the people who want to wait for the complete product that is "great" are allowed do that. There never needed to be any arguing or "sides" to be taken, we just needed to be mature about this situation and realize we're all just playing a video game at the end of the day. Releasing an unfinished project to random people on the internet will not affect your finished project being played by you and your friends at all, which all of this is really about, you said yourself.

It just seems like you've been teasing this for months only to play Lucy pulling the football to the community's Charlie Brown if you will. You know by showing screenshots, draft combine etc it will pique the interest of everybody who wants to delve deeper in the game so I can't buy the whole you dont do it for attention angle. Release it, dont release it...totally your decision but if it's for you and your friends and you dont want to feel pressured to release it, why put up screenshots and a draft combine video in the 1st place as you know members are going to ask you about it?...no shade intended, just curious...

i can't wait for your project brother! hope you release it

I want help like i proposed one other day before. If its possible, i will study the base for some players (playstyle, anims, equipements etc...)

The community can participate while others complaining

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I belive it's fair to say that "Good enough, but can be better" fits here well. Most people are fine with good enough. But for some, it aint. If you can do better, do it.

I have been waiting on this mod for ages (even tho I don't really post here anymore) I have my MyLeague on pause at offseason to get this draft class in it. And for example, I'm fine with it. At the end of the day, it's better to get a "product" that is great not just fine.

I really appreciate this sentiment man. Thanks.

Or both... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ No reason as to why the people who are fine with "good enough" can't get "good enough" while the people who want to wait for the complete product that is "great" are allowed do that. There never needed to be any arguing or "sides" to be taken, we just needed to be mature about this situation and realize we're all just playing a video game at the end of the day. Releasing an unfinished project to random people on the internet will not affect your finished project being played by you and your friends at all, which all of this is really about, you said yourself.

The point was that some people might not be okay with releasing a work that they know they can do better.

Geez, why are so many people whining, i don't get you guys? It's like he is teasing you with food in front of you, and you starving or some shit. So what if he posts previews, videos etc. lol it's just a mod for a game, y'all acting so entitled, not his fault you get way too excited over this shit. Like he said, you have plenty of alternatives if you want incomplete projects, and like i mentioned, you can have around 20 guys in total with cyberfaces from various other sources, most of them are decent. If you want bluejay's project you just gotta wait for it.

i want to help too. i can do attributes, shooting form , bio and the accessories

It just seems like you've been teasing this for months only to play Lucy pulling the football to the community's Charlie Brown if you will. You know by showing screenshots, draft combine etc it will pique the interest of everybody who wants to delve deeper in the game so I can't buy the whole you dont do it for attention angle. Release it, dont release it...totally your decision but if it's for you and your friends and you dont want to feel pressured to release it, why put up screenshots and a draft combine video in the 1st place as you know members are going to ask you about it?...no shade intended, just curious...

What good would this thread be without content? So next time, I’ll create a thread, never post a thing, and then drop a link when it’s released. That’s not really a benefit to the community. Previews create discussion and discussion leads to changes. I’ve reworked many faces in this class because it got feedback that I felt needed addressed. Also the previews bring in interested people that may not be familiar with the site who hopefully stick around and support other creators here.

I belive it's fair to say that "Good enough, but can be better" fits here well. Most people are fine with good enough. But for some, it aint. If you can do better, do it.

I have been waiting on this mod for ages (even tho I don't really post here anymore) I have my MyLeague on pause at offseason to get this draft class in it. And for example, I'm fine with it. At the end of the day, it's better to get a "product" that is great not just fine.

I really appreciate this sentiment man. Thanks.

Or both... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ No reason as to why the people who are fine with "good enough" can't get "good enough" while the people who want to wait for the complete product that is "great" are allowed do that. There never needed to be any arguing or "sides" to be taken, we just needed to be mature about this situation and realize we're all just playing a video game at the end of the day. Releasing an unfinished project to random people on the internet will not affect your finished project being played by you and your friends at all, which all of this is really about, you said yourself.

You’re looking at it from the wrong way man. It’s not about those who want it “good enough”. It’s about me releasing an unfinished product and I’m not gonna do that. It’s about the principle of it, I don’t want my name and the names of the guys that’s worked hard on this to be tied to an incomplete project.

Also, please don’t get it twisted. I’ve said it before, the motivation for doing the draft class begins because I want to use it. I’m not creating it for a profit or attention or something. But it’s not “only about being played by me and my friends”. I understand people are interested and I’ll release the project here, in time.

Thanks to everyone for staying rational about this and conversing like adults. There’s been great discussion.

I don't care about the draft class. While Blue DC are usually very good, his attitude toward others is toxic. I've seen Blue on countless threads arguing with people. I see you
on KIK draft class telling him how he needs to do HIS project. Yet every time anyone mentions using someone else DC you are offended.

I call BS when I see it. Im this way irl. Youre on BS blue, period bro. Idk if you're seeking attention or what. New ppl here may not see the countless arguments you've been in. All those
times you pretty much bullied other modders work, saying its not good or not to your standard. You're acting like the nice guy but I have a very good memory.

I don't care about the draft class. While Blue DC are usually very good, his attitude toward others is toxic. I've seen Blue on countless threads arguing with people. I see you
on KIK draft class telling him how he needs to do HIS project. Yet every time anyone mentions using someone else DC you are offended.

I call BS when I see it. Im this way irl. Youre on BS blue, period bro. Idk if you're seeking attention or what. New ppl here may not see the countless arguments you've been in. All those
times you pretty much bullied other modders work, saying its not good or not to your standard. You're acting like the nice guy but I have a very good memory.

In his defense he has been very helpful to me, I am trying to get into modding cyberfaces and he has helped me so much to learn as much as I have. I will continue to ask him questions as I know he doesn’t care about hiding his work from others to profit and I truly know he tries his best in whatever he does. To that I hope I can become good at cyberfaces and who knows, maybe I could help with a draft class. Probably not but who knows.

I don't care about the draft class. While Blue DC are usually very good, his attitude toward others is toxic. I've seen Blue on countless threads arguing with people. I see you
on KIK draft class telling him how he needs to do HIS project. Yet every time anyone mentions using someone else DC you are offended.

I call BS when I see it. Im this way irl. Youre on BS blue, period bro. Idk if you're seeking attention or what. New ppl here may not see the countless arguments you've been in. All those
times you pretty much bullied other modders work, saying its not good or not to your standard. You're acting like the nice guy but I have a very good memory.

What are you on? The title of his thread literally has "GIVE THOUGHTS" in it. I gave him constructive feedback that the faces could be shrunk down so they didn't look disproportional to the face. He did that and the faces look good.

Are you usually this inconsistent in real life too? I haven't bullied anyone. I've expressed displeasure with Shuajota before, like others have, that he starts massive projects and leaves them incomplete. But we've worked it out, he's gotten great at modding now and has been a valuable member of the community for a while now. Hell, I donated to have some of his great work in this class. I've been nothing but supportive once the wrinkles were worked out.

You really need to understand the difference between "bullying" and criticism. I've never attacked anyone personally, I've never threatened anyone. I've given my honest opinion on how faces or projects could be improved and I've pointed out hypocrites or bad practices. I've been consistent in that since I've been here. If we've reached a point where telling someone how they can improve their skills is "bullying" then let's pack it up. I'm not gonna be one of the guys that just sits here and blindly praises work. If it can be improved in aspects, I'll add my two cents. That's how the best get better.

I'll use Monkeyman as an example because I consider him a stand-up guy. When we started working together last year, he created a Shake Milton face as his first face. He kept working it and working it, asking where it could be improved. Then he did that with the next face and so on. Now, he's one of the best modders there is for 2k.

Idk where you got the attention thing from...is it because I'm responding to people? Like having actual discussions is negative?

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I know he doesn’t care about hiding his work from others to profit and I truly know he tries his best in whatever he does. To that I hope I can become good at cyberfaces and who knows, maybe I could help with a draft class. Probably not but who knows.

I appreciate that man and I'm happy to help. It's the whole teach a man to fish thing. You'll definitely get there because it's clear you're putting in the time to learn just like all the best here have (see my comment about Monkeyman above). Keep at it!

I belive it's fair to say that "Good enough, but can be better" fits here well. Most people are fine with good enough. But for some, it aint. If you can do better, do it.

I have been waiting on this mod for ages (even tho I don't really post here anymore) I have my MyLeague on pause at offseason to get this draft class in it. And for example, I'm fine with it. At the end of the day, it's better to get a "product" that is great not just fine.

I really appreciate this sentiment man. Thanks.

Or both... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ No reason as to why the people who are fine with "good enough" can't get "good enough" while the people who want to wait for the complete product that is "great" are allowed do that. There never needed to be any arguing or "sides" to be taken, we just needed to be mature about this situation and realize we're all just playing a video game at the end of the day. Releasing an unfinished project to random people on the internet will not affect your finished project being played by you and your friends at all, which all of this is really about, you said yourself.

You’re looking at it from the wrong way man. It’s not about those who want it “good enough”. It’s about me releasing an unfinished product and I’m not gonna do that. It’s about the principle of it, I don’t want my name and the names of the guys that’s worked hard on this to be tied to an incomplete project.

Also, please don’t get it twisted. I’ve said it before, the motivation for doing the draft class begins because I want to use it. I’m not creating it for a profit or attention or something. But it’s not “only about being played by me and my friends”. I understand people are interested and I’ll release the project here, in time.

Thanks to everyone for staying rational about this and conversing like adults. There’s been great discussion.

Obviously YOU'RE the one looking at it from the wrong way man. Geez man it would only matter if you stopped working after releasing the unfinished version, but you're not! No one's asking you to just completely forget about the prospects you missed and just release it cause its good enough, we're asking you release a mock draft "version" of your draft because a lot of us anticipated the release on draft night like you led us to believe but it didn't happen. Only the people "complaining" about the release date are going to be downloading the mock draft version you don't approve of or isn't good enough for you but all these other followers of yours defending will wait till your full release. Also I haven't been around this forum very long but from what I can tell you have been toxic, you respond with love and joy to the comments that defend you and compliment you but as soon as you get any sort of criticism or push back you immediately argue back instead of reasoning with one another. Honestly I'm only still replying because you've only argued and haven't given justification to many of my points. It literally does not affect you in ANY WAY to click save and share instead of just save, there is no principle to be spoiled because it's literally just part of the process when coming out with a full product. People release progression versions, just as Shuajota's going to.

Why people don't respect his choice ? If he want to release a complete draft, just be happy. It's really cool to see a work done at 100% with a great accurate level. And i'm not okay with some guys here, bluejay supporting lot of new creators and help them with his knowledge. I can understand the big HYPE of this project (its very cool) but if you have wait since january (start of this draft project) you can wait until the the finish of the 12 last players and the released.

Day after day, this modding community and the support diseapear and now i can understand why.

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Obviously YOU'RE the one looking at it from the wrong way man. Geez man it would only matter if you stopped working after releasing the unfinished version, but you're not! No one's asking you to just completely forget about the prospects you missed and just release it cause its good enough, we're asking you release a mock draft "version" of your draft because a lot of us anticipated the release on draft night like you led us to believe but it didn't happen. Only the people "complaining" about the release date are going to be downloading the mock draft version you don't approve of or isn't good enough for you but all these other followers of yours defending will wait till your full release. Also I haven't been around this forum very long but from what I can tell you have been toxic, you respond with love and joy to the comments that defend you and compliment you but as soon as you get any sort of criticism or push back you immediately argue back instead of reasoning with one another. Honestly I'm only still replying because you've only argued and haven't given justification to many of my points. It literally does not affect you in ANY WAY to click save and share instead of just save, there is no principle to be spoiled because it's literally just part of the process when coming out with a full product. People release progression versions, just as Shuajota's going to.

So for starters, it's my (obviously with proper credit to the creators) project so I'm not positive how I can be looking at it wrong. I'm going to go about the release in which I think is in the best interest of how I want the project released. This is all really boiling down to impatience. I didn't promise anyone anything and have been very careful to not set arbitrary release dates. These aren't "followers" of mine, (I don't have followers) they're completely rational people who are willing to wait for the release when it's ready.

I understand you haven't been around long, so that's why you may not understand, but unfinished work is my biggest pet peeve. Too many great projects have been left incomplete or abandoned along the way and this one will be 100% accurate before being released. I've been critical of incomplete work in the past and thus it won't be the case here. Simply pushing share does affect me because then my name is literally tied to an incomplete project. There's a reason that game developers don't release alpha versions. It's in-house until it has been completed to the level of satisfaction of the company and can be publically shown and later released. I've shown what I can and will later release it.

Also, your comments on me being toxic are mind-boggling. Of course I don't "argue" with comments that "defend" me? Who would do that? Logically that makes no sense. Am I supposed to contradict those I agree with? And I'm not trying to argue with anyone, I'm simply expaining my reasoning for why the class won't be released. You've brought up points and I've responded accordingly. It's been a good discussion and for those who have followed, perhaps they're more enlightened about the reasoning.

Second, telling me to release the class is not criticism. It's a request. Criticism is saying that a face could use work or that the portrait I'm using for a player is wrong. It's things I can take and improve the product. For example, Aston2k mentioned that Kevin Porter Jr. could use work so I went back and worked it more. That's criticism. Saying I should release an unfinished version is not.