Lottery Reform, Fines for Resting Healthy Players

[Dee4Three]

I already stated my case. Slimy Shitface? Fucking dickhead? you can do better.

I was asking why we were having so many injuries, that was the question. If we have so many advancements, why the rise in injuries with less minutes? That was my contest. I said I don't know why this is happening, but that I am sick of hearing all the advancements talk and not seeing the results. Seeing that players (Some top players) can't even make it through the first week or two of the season without going down, the sheer number of injuries is staggering. I mentioned that I don't see the results, and someone mentioned advancements in how they handle workload (In more words than that, but that was the gist of it). So I contested that, because I am not seeing players get injured less because of it. As I stated, look how many players have gone down in just the first couple weeks of the season?. But, you don't seem to read all the posts, or you choose which parts to pay attention to. So clearly that is where there can be a disconnect.

Anything else you don't understand, or would you like the lie some more? You are very good at that. Oh, you can calm down, everything will be okay... I promise

[NovU]

So you are contesting a topic you have no clue about. Hence dodging to offer your own answer but dicking around any answers offered in 1000 words of essay/nothing due to your ego issues of 90s.

Very well. I was hoping this is the last time you doing this hassle on this very pointless topic but I suspect you will bring this up and dick around again in the future with 1000s words of contest or whatever just to protect your view of 90 era excellence in science and players physique.

[Dee4Three]

You came into it my friend, you didn't have to.

And again with the ego issues of the 90s, even though that has nothing to do with this, and clearly you are not paying attention to anything that is said because you have a one track mind.

NovU, would you say that the number of injuries to players who havn't even logged 100 regular season minutes are alarming?

Would you say that the sheer number of injuries is concerning over the first couple weeks of the NBA season?

Would you state that you are surprised by the number considering we are in 2017 and supposedly we have some of the best athletes in the world participating in the NBA?

Would you also state that if injuries have gone up, while minutes have gone down, that you would want to understand why that is happening?

If someone told you "big picture" that players were getting injured more often than 15 years ago, would you question what techniques trainers/teams/coaches/medical staff are using now? And maybe question if what was used in the past may have worked better?

You gave this insight here:

What result are you asking for? Result is they are prepared better to compete in modern era bball and benefit from modern era training/rehab tech with accumulated data. players still get injured more because of the way games are played today and how more players push themselves over the limit now days due to the competition asking for it. Why is this not obvious to you?

I adamantly disagreed about the competition being more, and the players pushing themselves harder. It is far from "Obvious" to me. I am not seeing how they are better prepared..better prepared to get injured?

If you didn't have any of those questions, or didn't have any answers or anything relevant to say in regards to those questions or this topic (I don't count that statement)... why are you in here commenting? Just to be annoying? If that's the case, you succeeded.

[NovU]

Wouldn't you be baffled too when some genius with no clue to the topic shits on every person's answers with 1000s words of essay but couldn't offer even bits of his own answer because no clue.

[Dee4Three]

NovU.... that's the point... I'm trying to figure it out. And at the damn time, stating that I am sick of hearing about advancements and not seeing the results.

[Dee4Three]

You are getting yourself all worked up about a topic you don't even care about... want to make sense of that for me?

[NovU]

Not all advancements are not to prevent injury but to elevate player's physique, and for rehab purpose, allowing players to play max to their physique and rejuvenate faster. Best prevention obviously is to control yourself, playing within limit, etc. Like out of shape average Joe wouldn't get injured in playing daily basketball at local court. Is this not obvious?

When someone claims to be a NO CLUE at the topic but has 1000s words of countering wisdom to every answers provided, the guy's either an idiot or troll.

[Dee4Three]

So would you say the problem is that players don't play smart? That the number of players not playing smart has increased? Would that be your guess to why the injury numbers are higher?

So a better physique, more rest, less minutes, doesn't really matter because the injuries are caused by not playing smart? So you would say that is why injuries have increased?

Do you believe that it's possible that players are resting to much? Or not playing enough in general? Do you believe that it's possible that they are resting to the point of not being fully ready for the 5 on 5 on court action? As in, players bodies are not warmed up, or adjusted to the speed of the game?

Just asking you if you think that's a possibility.

[NovU]

Saying playing not smart is entire cause for injury is extremely stupid and narrow visioned, derogating any hard works put in.

It obviously involves more factors, not sure why this isn't obvious to you. Basketball is a job to those guys, a profession that provides meals to their family. Whatever they must do for better chance at getting into, or survive in the league, players need to do it, especially with (1) increased number of basketball playing population, (2) increased number of structured leagues from young age to older gen. Resources such as hoops to information all became widely available compared to the past. Increased competition means people trying to get into their best form possible by any means necessary, which includes diet, training facility, etc. Players that do it less, are at less chance at making it. Level of competition ask for it, not because today's people are stupid and dumb, they don't play smart. Where you got that idea is beyond me but whatever.

As Shumpert said in interview, style of basketball played is different. That adds to more chance at injury. It's obvious(only idiots can't see). Athletic guys playing while pushing themselves obviously means more chance at serious injury, takes longer time to get back to their original best shape too.

One great example is impact making rookies have become rare and rarer despite going through various level of systematic competition(ie. AAU) and training from early age. Takes more time to develop now. A lot of it due to physique readiness. Not because rookies are idiots now days. When was the last time rookie playing significant part in taking a team to the Finals, or let alone great playoffs run. Seems forever.

Obvious not?

[Dee4Three]

So atheltic guys playing and pushing themselves didn't happen when injury numbers were down? You bring up Shumpert, I'll bring up the comments from Kobe and Pierce about todays generation of players.

I'll ask again, do you think it's possible that the players are resting too much and not playing enough? Do you think that could cause more injuries because the players bodies are not warmed up or fully ready for the 5 on 5 intensity of the NBA?

Do you think that some rookies also havn't been able to come in and make an immediate impact because frankly they just are not good enough? Or don't have to heart to push it to the limit?

We are now having a discussion. No need to call names. My personal opinion is that many players getting injured so early in the season, and players injuries being up in general, may have to do with players not being fully prepared physically when the 5 on 5 action starts. No matter how buff or in shape someone looks, it doesn't mean a thing if the body isn't ready to go once the game starts. It's possible that this could play a factor in the injury spike.

I am not saying no advancements have taken place, and they may have in some areas, but I struggle to find a solid reason why injuries have gone up so much, with many many players not even making it through the first week of games.

[air gordon]

caspi was hurt because he slipped on a sweat spot on the floor.

Not because rookies are idiots now days. When was the last time rookie playing significant part in taking a team to the Finals, or let alone great playoffs run. Seems forever.

i agree here but Mccaw was playing some important minutes in the finals last year. off the top my head Rondo's rookie year he was starting along with the big 3.

[Dee4Three]

caspi was hurt because he slipped on a wet spot on the floor

Clearly advancements have not happened to prevent wet spots on the floor.

I am not seeing the results.

[NovU]

Try avoiding asking 100 of stupid questions, it's really hard to see your points in those questions anyways. Rather provide where your disagreement is. Seriously who enjoys that shit anyways.

We are now having a discussion. No need to call names. My personal opinion is that many players getting injured so early in the season, and players injuries being up in general, may have to do with players not being fully prepared physically when the 5 on 5 action starts. No matter how buff or in shape someone looks, it doesn't mean a thing if the body isn't ready to go once the game starts. It's possible that this could play a factor in the injury spike.

See? How hard was that. The very reason why you think players get injured more. Why all the fucking stupid fuck up leading up to this? COME ON SON, DON'T FUCKING PLAY THIS STUPID TIRESOME GAME WITH PEOPLE NEXT TIME

Not obvious?

Exactly son. Players push themselves over their limit that their body can't take it. But they do it because they believe it gives them better chance at making it in this league. D-Leaguers do it, high schoolers do it, overseas players do it. Perhaps level of competition ask for it. One guy is gifted as fuck and you are not. Would you not access any tools/info necessary in order to compete at his level? Run harder, jump harder, challenge harder, train harder? Being in great shape allows you to do stuff you are not normally supposed to do and it often leads to big injury, son.

I am not saying no advancements have taken place, and they may have in some areas, but I struggle to find a solid reason why injuries have gone up so much, with many many players not even making it through the first week of games.

First week injuries are not uncommon with players trying to return from playing form at high level competition. Injuries have gone up gradually over decades, this is not a last few years thing.

[Dee4Three]

I had another response, but you know what? Fair enough.

I see where you are coming from, but I don't necessarily agree with it (especially the competition being more, or the players working harder). But, it's your stance and that's fine.

Hopefully more players don't go down this year, especially this early on. Anthony Davis went down last night in the first 5 minutes. He's listed as day to day, but it's the same injured knee from 2012 and 2015.

[NovU]

Well, I just agreed with you. Players are not ready for level of competition physically despite buffed up or athleticism.

There is no doubt players work crazy hard. That is not to take away from ex players working hard. That is besides the point.

Also I said competition ask for such work(advancedment, diet, etc). I didnt say competition is more this time around.

This is why its quite easy to read ur position and agenda even tho u hide it. U wouldnt give credits due to protect ex players vs current gen. I will leave it at that.

[Dee4Three]

No NovU, I don't have an agenda, I'm not hiding anything, stop being paranoid.

This is what you said above

"how more players push themselves over the limit now days due to the competition asking for it"

That's saying that players push themselves harder now, because the competition is tougher. Correct me if I am wrong? You just said above that you didn't say the competition was tougher. And do you really think they are pushing harder nowadays than they did years back? And do you really think that is also what's causing more injuries? Those were your words.


Again, we disagree on a few things. And that is fine.

[NovU]

Fine. Let's compare that to your very simple and stupid opinion.

You said "not being fully prepared physically" so injuries happen more despite shit load of workouts and training which most of players do today. Knowing your complex issues, this practically is a cheap shot at current gen players/today's basketball. How do you prepare for the season so you're in top shape to compete while preventing injuries? Are current gen so stupid as you claim that they beef up for no reason? LoL, cmon son. Here's the issue: Basically what you say is that ex-players prepared better physically so injuries happened less. Second issue: Do you seriously believe modern ways Workouts/Training does NOT translate to improved performance? That they're absolutely doing nothing positive?

Biggest problem you have is your claim is entirely based on assumptions with no proof at all. It's a series of wild claims. Lie after lie after lie. I don't think you even believe that yourself.


Also note, "not being fully prepared physically", how do you do this? Players work out/train their ass off to be in their top shape. If you EVER systematically trained your body, you'd know body fat/muscle matter A LOT in sports performance. How do you prepare physically more than that?

[Dee4Three]

Im saying its possible that they played more, rested less, and it's possible that they were more prepared for the on court action. Yours is a guess as well.

I didn't say that the players got buff and disregarded everything else, I said that just because players get buff or look In shape doesn't mean they are ready for the 5 on 5 action. I completely stand by that 100%.

The son stuff, really? Do you talk like that to people in real life? Do you "son" people? Jesus.

And you took a shot at past basketball with your comments that I pointed out. So... you are accusing me but you are doing the same thing. By the way, my contest is because of the actual injury numbers compared to that time period, I'm not just flying off the handle or doing it because AH HA... 90s!!!! I'm contesting based on the graph on that article I shared. Also because of the number of injuries this early in the season. By the way, i completely disagree with your comment that this is common early in the season, this many players going down as a result of on court action in 2 weeks? Not even logging 100 minutes? I don't remember it even being this many injuries in the past few seasons this early.

By the way, you tall about 1000 words without saying anything. Have you seen your posta, half of your posts are filled with name calling and attacks, half of your posts sound like an angry kid. And I know you are not a kid.

You are a very strange dude to have a conversation with, an aggressive yet flying off the handle approach where you don't fully take in the material that you are commenting on, which makes you continually lash out and have to defend yourself or ignore that fact that you yell out lies.

Get over yourself.

[NovU]

"I'm saying I'm saying I'm saying" There's a reason why you use that line so much because you fail to even convince even yourself that you need to keep defending yourself with even more sorry ass excuses to justify your existence in bball discussion.

"So players are not fully prepared physically for 5 on 5." That has been your only suggested point while pretending to top every other opinions with absolute nonsense, including the ones in linked article(w/ graph) of yours. If you seriously believe you convincingly countered any points/answer offered here or the ones from article of yours... ugh.

Very well, carry on then.

[Dee4Three]

I disagree that it's nonsense, and we both have different opinions on the matter.

And yes, we can carry on.

[air gordon]

lmao. let's see if there is carrying on. everyone first get in another say then really carry on lol

[Dee4Three]

lmao. let's see if there is carrying on. everyone first get in another say then really carry on lol

Stop instigating.

[Dee4Three]

lmao. let's see if there is carrying on. everyone first get in another say then really carry on lol

Stop instigating.

[air gordon]

i meant it with good intentions. now if you guys want to continue to rehash the discussion that doesn't go anywhere, by all means. misery does like company

and do not double post

[Dee4Three]

Air Gordon, I do double post at times. Agreed, I'll try and stop doing that so often.