When will 76ers win their first game?

[NovU]

Bad teams with trouble closing out the game, it's usual. Being a young team, the 76ers tend to collapse when push comes to a shove.



I am wondering which one will come first, 76ers' victory or Warriors' loss.

[Andrew]

I'd actually guess a loss by the Warriors. Teams have come close to beating them on a couple of occasions, and there are some good teams they haven't faced yet. The Sixers have let victory slip away quite a few times already, and their lack of depth/talent is well-documented at this point.

[mp3]

I was listening to a podcast yesterday in which they talked about the Sixers which focused on advanced stats and they said that they are only playing Noel and Okafor roughly 10 minutes a game on the floor together and 20 on there own because they just are such a bad fit playing together and they also said that the rookie pg they are playing had racked up the most minutes played in a nba season (400+) without a single free throw attempt

[NovU]

Yeah. Particularly Noel becomes entirely useless together with Okafor. But imho blame should go both ways, they just aren't skillful enough to make it work due to lack of talent and experience. That's why Duncan is special, he made it work with literally everyone from the minute he walked into this league, Aldridge, Splitter, David Rob to Nesterovic, Blair, Nazr, etc.

It's concerning though because they need to figure out ways to make it work. Or trade one of the bigs for another draft pick, lol.

[Spree#8]

From the last game against the Celtics...

Noel and Okafor on/off tonight Together: 22:01 (-20) Jah Alone: 15:13 (+16) Nerlens Alone: 10:26 (+1)

The 22:01 they played together includes, of course, all of the 4th quarter meltdown.

Noel is a shadow of himself from the second half of last season. His lack of shooting range or a post game not only means there's no space for him when Okafor is occupying the low post area, it also means the opposing defense can very easily load up on Okafor with no consequences whatsoever. On the defensive end, Noel is taken away from the rim which severely limits the impact he can have while being replaced by a slow-footed Okafor who can't protect the rim for shit, let alone guard pick and rolls.

I'm not seeing any real solutions to this problem right now.

Time after time what does them in is lack of any competent ball handler/playmaker. Those are the players who carry other teams in crunch time while Philly has nobody. When the defense ramps up, they can't even initiate their offensive sets or get the ball to Jah. It's usually a turnover fest or bombing contested threes because there's nothing else there. You can't win playing that way. As weird as it may sound, letting Ish Smith go in the offseason was a big mistake. One player who can throw a nice entry pass or run a pick and roll - and they probably win at least two of the last three games (and besides, Noel probably wouldn't look as dead as he does if somebody could run a pick with him and throw a lob). The garbage they're trotting out at guard positions is hard to watch. Pretty sure we've hit rock bottom on that front.

Wroten's supposed to return on December 11th, maybe he can help. Counting on Tony fucking Wroten to save you is questionable at best, but it's all we have at this point. Pissing a nice 4th quarter lead away for 3 straight games because nobody can get the ball to Okafor or do anything else other than turning it over is crazy. If they're not going to sign anyone, then maybe play JaKarr at PG again, surely he can't be any worse than those shitheads.

For anyone interested in that kind of stuff, 0-16 puts them two losses away from tying the worst start ever (next 2: @Houston, @Memphis). The thing that's sort of flying under the radar, though, is that they ended last season on a 10-game losing streak, which means the Sixers have lost 26 games in a row - that ties the longest losing streak ever, a loss to Houston tonight beats it.

[Andrew]

They've beaten the record they shared with the Cavs, and tied the Nets' record for the worst start. I'd say they'll add another dubious distinction with a loss to the Grizzlies today.

[Spree#8]

The record for the worst start is tied now, after the loss to Memphis. They have the Lakers at home on Tuesday, so that's about as good a shot as they could have to break the streak.

[Andrew]

My mistake, for some reason I remembered the Nets going 0-17 to set the record; they went 0-18 to break the previous record of 0-17. Well, they might just avoid setting a new record there, though perhaps Kobe will have a throwback game. It will be his last game in Philadelphia, after all.

[stereoxide]

The streak is finally over!

[NovU]

Seriously? Just when you thought new historic achievement was gonna be claimed solely by the 76ers, Kobe ruins the night and gives them a huge present. 17 attempts from 3s, 20 pts off 26 shots, 2 ast on 3 TOs.

[[Q]]

goddammit lakers, i hope you lose every single game from here on out and get Ben Simmons

[iamSamke]

Lakers: writing history

Lost against Warriors (move to 16-0)
Lost against Sixers (move to 1-18)

[Andrew]

Definitely not the farewell tour that Kobe envisioned, I'm sure.

[stereoxide]

The tank-commander just out-maneuvering the Sixers' tank to protect that top 3 protected pick from them.

[iamSamke]

Can someone explain what happend in that trade? Not really sure who got top 3 pick

[NovU]

Iirc it was a 3 team trade. Top 3 pick belongs to Lakers but anything outside will go to 76ers. Last year it was top 5 protected which translated to D'angelo Russell.

If the Lakers get the top 3 pick this year then 76ers get the unprotected pick from the Lakers next year, which means tanking will be useless for the Lakers. For this year, it could turn out to be a worthwhile effort as long as they land top 3 pick. If they fail, 76ers will greatly benefit from Lakers' tanking.

[iamSamke]

Oh I see. Thanks NovU!

[shadowgrin]

Kobe loves the city of Philadelphia so much that he allowed the Sixers to win so they can avoid the losing streak record.

Another great assist from the greatest of all time, KOBE.

[Kevin]

Kobe loves the city of Philadelphia so much that he allowed the Sixers to win so they can avoid the losing streak record.

Another great assist from the greatest of all time, KOBE.

That makes sense. I'll take that.

[Jeffx]

Sixer management finally made a smart move hiring Jerry Colangelo.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/76ers-hire ... NlYwNzYw--

[[Q]]

That's a move that goes against every single thing they are doing right now. Interested to see how it turns out. How dare they try to get better

[Andrew]

Hopefully for Sixers' fans, he'll help them make that next step. I still believe that the youth movement and reluctance to overpay for mediocrity is a sound idea and a good start, but Step 2 has eluded them thus far in their long-term rebuilding plan.

[Jeffx]

Wanna bet the other owners and the commissioner had a hand in this? Like when David Stern pushed Dolan to hire Donnie Walsh.

[Andrew]

Seems plausible.

[[Q]]

Wanna bet the other owners and the commissioner had a hand in this? Like when David Stern pushed Dolan to hire Donnie Walsh.

them losing by 51 to the short handed spurs might have helped