Who is the best player in NBA today?

[Clinton]

The two best players in the league are Kobe and TMac. It is just too hard to seperate one from the other, or take one over the other. Their games are so similar and so flawless.

[MC Hao]

Dirk Nowitzki!!!! He's the man!!! 22ppg, 10.6rpg, 2.7apg, 1.6spg, 1.1bpg and 1.4 threes per game. Best player in the world series, best player in the NBA right now.

[death]

all i've got 2 say iz...

[Rens]

Dirk Nowitzki!!!! He's the man!!! 22ppg, 10.6rpg, 2.7apg, 1.6spg, 1.1bpg and 1.4 threes per game. Best player in the world series, best player in the NBA right now.

Kevin Garnett: 21.6 ppg, 13.1 rpg, 5.6 apg, 1.48 bpg, 1.48 spg
Tim Duncan: 22.7 ppg, 12.8 rpg, 3.5 apg, 0.69 spg, 2.88 bpg

[scubilete]

Kobe "Put your tongue back" Bryant,

well let see who win this year for MVP

Not always the considered best player wins the MVP Award.

[Brave Sir Rubin]

this is the crapiest thread....just a bunch of noobz shooting opinions...

"Oh...i think Fobe is the best!"

the big question here is...why???

i can just go and post "Montross 2003 MVP" all over the forum in these silly "Who is the best" threads........yet how do you expect people to take ya seriously if you don't support your opinions...

soon we will see threads like "Who is better...Shaq or Kidd"...

lol...silly N00bz...

[Clinton]

I think that post shows who the silly "noob" is.

this is the crapiest thread....just a bunch of noobz shooting opinions...

Thanks for your opinion "noob". If it is such a crappy thread why did you bother making those remarks. Do you think everyone will stop these threads about who is the best just because you don't like them. Maybe next time you see one you can just ignore it?

[Poollit]

[b]seriously though, you guys are just spitting opinions out, like Pavel said, try and make a remark and back it up like....

I think Kobe is better for the fact that he puts all these numbers up in the Tiangle offense, and with Shaq. Also he grabs more boards, and dishes more assists than T-mac, along wit steals, his D is just better than
T-mac
OR
maybe: I go wit T-mac for the fact that he has this off. that just can't be compared to no other. he has a great shot, he can make those medium range,and 3pt. He also has the athletic ability to go into the lane and dunk on someone at will. Take into account that T-mac doesn't have another player like Shaq to take the attention away from him. About the D
Look at Kobe who has he stopped dis year? T-mac gets plenty steals, and he gets those blocks, more than Kobe. He's an outstanding player
He's lead the Magic tot he playoffs twice now...what has kobe done on his own.
OR
Kobe has great D, when he tries. T-mac has a good block, but who cares that's only 1 or 2 times a game out of like i don't know, 15 shots. And thats a big IF he is D up on the opposition's star. Kobe is almost always garuding the other primary focus. In order he has to run through a countless number of picks. Hands down, kobe has that D that can't be matched by T-mac. T-mac just isn't quick enough like kobe is. Kobe's athletic ability was alittle beter than T-mac's, and now wit the weight training he's just superior to him. About the off. end, have u seen any Laker games lately? Kobe is the focus of the other teams D, yes. just as much as Shaq is. With the weight training his shot is just alittle thrown off, but it's still superior to most players, and it's starting to come back.
About the winning thing, Who does Kobe have on the team except Shaq?
I think no one...While T-mac has M. Miller, who should be geting some 15-20 ppg, if not for T-mac, also D. Armstrong, P. Garrity(wow! is that a shot), even guys like Troy hudson can be said (last year). The point is the Magic team stripped of their stars is WAY better than the Lakers.
Think about it, Kobe can even pass better than T-mac. Alot of those assists that he throws are blown by the likes of Fox, and S. Walker. missing wide open layups? Or even at least make 30% of your thress guys!! Really watch a Laker game, and count the number of assists that Kobe should have gotten, but were blown.
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I belive there is alot of things that seperate t-mac from kobe.
T-mac has a better shooting touch dan kobe, but kobe has better D.
The rebounding is about the same, i think Kobe has the upper edge now because of the weights. Passing, kobe just has better court vision. But overall they are about the same.
OR
I don't think anything is wrong wit just saying who u think is better, but really try to back ur opinions up. Opinions are remarks, but with backup they become arguments.

[Boyk]

Kobe
T-Mac
Garnett

best all-round players in the league
best players i nthe league
i also think if pierce can improve his shot selection or consistency on his shot he could be considered

i mean pierce is averaging 25.5ppg 8rpg 4.4apg 2.06spg 0.91bpg
but is shooting .386% FG's and .266% 3pnts

but everything besides the shooting, he is equal with the htree guys i just mentioned so dont count him out

[Brave Sir Rubin]

Thanks for your opinion "noob".

why don't mention it ohh great and powerfull Clinton...i'm just a peasant compared to you...i'm a fan of your greatness....truly am...

If it is such a crappy thread why did you bother making those remarks.

you know...maybe i just don't want to see the NLSC ruined by idiots...i came back from vacations to find this huge thread....filled of crap...the 1st good post here was made by Poolit...great post though....

the rest...are well...senceless...

Do you think everyone will stop these threads about who is the best just because you don't like them.

well...all of these threads are pointless....so i will fight until the foolishness stops

Maybe next time you see one you can just ignore it?

like i said...these threads are SPAM...tghey should be deleted before started...

[GloveGuy]

Gary Payton!! What can't this guy do? Best guard defender in the NBA and best PG. Just need to get him on a good team and he wouldnt get overlooked.

[Clinton]

maybe i just don't want to see the NLSC ruined by idiots

Yes, the NLSC is going to be ruined by posts in the forum where people are listing who they think are the best players in the league.

i came back from vacations to find this huge thread....filled of crap

Sorry to disappoint you.

these threads are SPAM...tghey should be deleted before started...

[champ]

michael jordan is easily the best player in the game today, and i think he will win MVP. he will also make the all-defensive team as he continues to nail every backcourt superstar out there.

[kobryant]

hey champ

are u still in the 90's
MJ is old now, he can't do anything besides making his team better.

Kobe is the best. Whoever said he can't do anything, he will just proved it. Just because the Lakers have Shaq and Kobe on the same team doesn't mean that if they seperate, they be nothing.

Kobe and Shaq also have decent backups liek Robert Horry, Derek Fisher, and Rick Fox.

Same as T-Mac. why don't u guys say "T-Mac wouldn't be good if it wasn't for Mike Miller, Grant Hill, and Darell Armstrong.." T-Mac is a good player but all u people picked him for the best because he can "jump high" and does " amazing dunks". Just because ur good at one stuff, doesn't mean ur the best.

Kobe is an all around player. high stats in every category. 28 ppg, 7 rpg, 2spg, 2bpg, 7apg, etc.. Kobe can get even more this year. Next year, he'll probably get 29ppg, 9rpg, 3spg, 2bpg, 9apg. How can u beat that stats. Iverson cried 2 years ago when he lost the NBA Finals. An MVP crying? what's up with that? What does an MVP do when he loses? Does the "Answer" knows? well, he first tries to improve more, and not just sit there and cry.

here's why some other players don't deserve to be MVP

AI - ball hog, shots almost time he gets the ball, not enough rebounds

Duncan - doesn't take over the game too much, too quiet

Kidd - maybe deserves a little

T-Mac - same as AI, doesn't get his team involve too much. team depends mostly on him.

The Glove - too old, mvp doesn't talk trash, just play

KG - maybe, same as Kidd
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Why Kobe should be an MVP

get his team involves
tries even when his team is winning be about 20 points.
can heat up any time
great shooter.
great defender.
can shoot mid-range, dunks, lay-ups, 3pointers, free-throws, buzzer-beaters, etc..
good at the clutch
good defensive reaction
keeps getting better every year
always be the first to practice on the court b4 anyones shows up for the game
doesn't "cry" if he loses
doesn't get T's too much.

[TheBob]

mvp doesn't talk trash

Lol, what about a certain Mr Jordan? I believe he's pretty well known for his trash talking.

[benji]

Payton doesn't trash talk as much, and he's helping out the younger guys and being a leader.

Duncan doesn't take over the game? There's a reason the Spurs win games...

Iverson cried 2 years ago when he lost the NBA Finals. An MVP crying? what's up with that? What does an MVP do when he loses? Does the "Answer" knows? well, he first tries to improve more, and not just sit there and cry.

Yeah, MVP's don't have emotions and cry when they lose something they've been fighting for and defying all odds about. MVPs also play for winning teams, don't whine about offensive systems and have to be the most important player on their team first.

Also, Jordan cried when he won a title, and then what did he do? Retired. He should give back his MVP awards.

Same as T-Mac. why don't u guys say "T-Mac wouldn't be good if it wasn't for Mike Miller, Grant Hill, and Darell Armstrong..

because McGrady would be and is good without them...as he's shown the last three years...

Oh and your signature list...

doesn't "cry" if he loses
doesn't get T's too much.

Those could be taken as saying he doesn't care about winning.

[GloveGuy]

MJ is old now, he can't do anything besides making his team better

If I were a coach, that would be the most important trait I'd look for. Making his team better is rare. And you say that's ALL he does. Pffff....gimme a break

You(kobryant) say that the Lakers have good backups but how come Kobe couldn't win with just them? If he's the "best in the league" then how come he couldnt win with good players around him? If someone is the best, then they should be able to lead their team to an above .500 record.

T-Mac is a good player but all u people picked him for the best because he can "jump high" and does " amazing dunks".

That's where you're wrong. Plenty of people have given good reasons for T-Mac being the best. Read the posts carefully.

AI is basically the teams only scoring threat. What do you expect? And do you expect a 5'10" man to rebound as much as Kobe?

The Glove - too old, mvp doesn't talk trash, just play

Being old shouldnt be a reason for not being the best. Being old and not putting up the numbers you used to good be a reason but GP is still shining. What's wrong with trashtalking? You don't think Kobe does it? O yeah, he could never say it to their face so he has to say it in interviews.[/quote]

[Eugene]

I still don't understand why one of the biggest cases against Kobe is that he couldn't win without Shaq.

When you take an Englishman out of Britain and put him in China, he has to adjust, and before he does so, he struggles.

That maybe a little contrived and arbitrary, but metaphorically speaking, the Lakers -- the other guys, are basically like that Englishman, when Shaq is taken out of the game. Likewise with Kobe: he's essentially playing for a different team.

When a team like the Lakers loses Shaq, the single most dominant player and from whom the offense stems, that team is going to struggle, regardless of who the other guy is.

The Lakers were never built for Kobe. In fact, the acquisition of Kobe, aside from the obvious potential-factor, was to fill a need for an athletic wing who, when Shaq was double teamed, could slash and cut to the basket and finish strongly. That Kobe's developed as much as he has is fascinating in itself.

And because the team was not built around Kobe, the team couldn't utilize Kobe's best attributes -- his mid- to short-range game. Walker wasn't a notable inside presence and at the time, Fisher, Horry, Fox and even Shaw were ice cold. Team defense is far more complicated than just double teaming the star player. When the supporting cast isn't a suitable match, the defense than has much more freedom.

Furthermore, the Lakers had to shift their whole offense to try to accomodate Kobe, instead of Shaq. The Triangle-offense was built for a dominant center. The only reason the triangle worked for Chicago was because Scottie Pippen, an excellent passer and scorer, filled the other point of the triangle. Kobe had no such support. The Magic, as it is, is better suited for that type of Triangle than the Shaq-less Lakers ever could've hoped of being.

Because I know you'll bring this up: what about when Michael had left the Bulls, and Pippen alone carried the Bulls to the playoffs. Well, first of all, they didn't win the championship, so the team was hurt. And, Toni Kukoc, even young as he was, was able to fill that second point of the triangle, with his versatiliy in passing and shooting.

The fact is, T-mac could have done no better had he been in the same situation as Kobe. Really, all of you guys are putting more weight into this whole "Kobe can't win without Shaq," argument. Yeah, Kobe can win with Shaq -- just get him a team that's focused on maximizing his output.

And, as a side note. The Nets were custom built for Jason Kidd before he even got there. Kenyon Martin, Kerry Kittles, Keith Van Horn and Richard Jefferson? Are you kidding me? Even now, Keith Van Horn's gone, but Jefferson's breaking out, Lucious Harris is rejuvenated; if there was a perfect match for Jason Kidd that didn't include Tim Duncan, this is it -- he'd be a fool to leave.

[air gordon]

gloveguy and ben- you guys stole my thunder. i agree with both your posts.

what exactly is the nba MVP??? the best player in the entire league? or the player most valuable to his team?

perhaps there should be 2 separate awards- best player in the league and
player most valuable. anyone else agree on this one with me?

[scubilete]

I would agree with that, they are in some point different, it's just that there should not be a best player award cause people usually would count their whole career not just the current year.

[Rens]

The Triangle-offense was built for a dominant center.

Hehe I had to think of Luc Longley when reading this... your point with Pippen I didn't miss.. but I just had to think about this

[Clinton]

perhaps there should be 2 separate awards- best player in the league and
player most valuable. anyone else agree on this one with me?

It would keep a lot more people happy. Then you could have a guy like Duncan or Garnett winning the most valuable to his team award and Kobe or TMac winning the best player award.

[benji]

But you wouldn't have Kobe or McGrady winning that award because Duncan or Garnett would win both. Because they'd have to be the latter to be the former.

[Clinton]

But you wouldn't have Kobe or McGrady winning that award because Duncan or Garnett would win both. Because they'd have to be the latter to be the former.

Not really. I think Kobe and TMac are the two best players in the league based on skill. But I also think Duncan and Garnett are the two most valuable players to their teams because they are the two of the most complete players in the league. Because of their size and versatility they might even be more complete players then Kobe or TMac. But maybe the biggest thing Duncan and Garnett have on their side is that they are the only superstars on their teams.

[Boyk]

I still don't understand why one of the biggest cases against Kobe is that he couldn't win without Shaq.

When you take an Englishman out of Britain and put him in China, he has to adjust, and before he does so, he struggles.

That maybe a little contrived and arbitrary, but metaphorically speaking, the Lakers -- the other guys, are basically like that Englishman, when Shaq is taken out of the game. Likewise with Kobe: he's essentially playing for a different team.

When a team like the Lakers loses Shaq, the single most dominant player and from whom the offense stems, that team is going to struggle, regardless of who the other guy is.

The Lakers were never built for Kobe. In fact, the acquisition of Kobe, aside from the obvious potential-factor, was to fill a need for an athletic wing who, when Shaq was double teamed, could slash and cut to the basket and finish strongly. That Kobe's developed as much as he has is fascinating in itself.

And because the team was not built around Kobe, the team couldn't utilize Kobe's best attributes -- his mid- to short-range game. Walker wasn't a notable inside presence and at the time, Fisher, Horry, Fox and even Shaw were ice cold. Team defense is far more complicated than just double teaming the star player. When the supporting cast isn't a suitable match, the defense than has much more freedom.

Furthermore, the Lakers had to shift their whole offense to try to accomodate Kobe, instead of Shaq. The Triangle-offense was built for a dominant center. The only reason the triangle worked for Chicago was because Scottie Pippen, an excellent passer and scorer, filled the other point of the triangle. Kobe had no such support. The Magic, as it is, is better suited for that type of Triangle than the Shaq-less Lakers ever could've hoped of being.

Because I know you'll bring this up: what about when Michael had left the Bulls, and Pippen alone carried the Bulls to the playoffs. Well, first of all, they didn't win the championship, so the team was hurt. And, Toni Kukoc, even young as he was, was able to fill that second point of the triangle, with his versatiliy in passing and shooting.

The fact is, T-mac could have done no better had he been in the same situation as Kobe. Really, all of you guys are putting more weight into this whole "Kobe can't win without Shaq," argument. Yeah, Kobe can win with Shaq -- just get him a team that's focused on maximizing his output.

And, as a side note. The Nets were custom built for Jason Kidd before he even got there. Kenyon Martin, Kerry Kittles, Keith Van Horn and Richard Jefferson? Are you kidding me? Even now, Keith Van Horn's gone, but Jefferson's breaking out, Lucious Harris is rejuvenated; if there was a perfect match for Jason Kidd that didn't include Tim Duncan, this is it -- he'd be a fool to leave.

straight up!!
took the words straight from my mouth