Dunks/Layups
Sun May 02, 2004 12:01 pm
Time for another one of these threads 
What kind of dunks/layups do you want to see in the game?
Here is my list
DUNKS:
windmill, a few variations
two-handed windmill
regular reverse dunk, then the kind Richard Jefferson throws down,
Double-Pump reverse dunk. Maybe like the one in Live 2001, and a pump dunk that doesnt bring the ball all the way down, then one where they bring the ball to their hip.
regular 1 handed 360
regular 2 handed 360
Between the legs
Why does NBA Live have to make special dunks so complicated? I saw 1 360 windmill in my life in a real game-Ricky Davis this year. Guys like Corie Maggette shouldnt be able to do it.
Layups(provided not available with freestyle air)
Up and Under
1 hand up and under (like dr. J's, just not behind the backboard.)
regular finger roll
A couple of fancy ones, like a 360 or mid-air reverse. They just shouldnt be as frequent as fancy lay-ups in Live 2003 were.
Also, I had an idea
How about Player Specific Dunk Packages? For instance:
Lebron's: Maybe 10 normal dunks. Then he has 5 advanced(windmills, 360's etc.) Then he has his own signature dunks like the sky walker dunk, a powerful one-handed tomahawk, a double pump reverse off of 2 feet, etc.
Jason Richardson: Same as Lebron, but his advanced would have his signature windmill, a between the legs dunk, reverse windmill.
Allen Iverson: He should have a simple one handed, 2 handed and then his signature two dunks, where he starts with one hand and finishes with two, then the one where he starts with 1, switches to 2, and then finishes with one hand.
Shaq: He would have his normal power jams that make the backboard shake.
Kind of like that for most stars.
Then they can have their normal dunk packages for other guys.
That is all I have to say for now.
What kind of dunks/layups do you want to see in the game?
Here is my list
DUNKS:
windmill, a few variations
two-handed windmill
regular reverse dunk, then the kind Richard Jefferson throws down,
Double-Pump reverse dunk. Maybe like the one in Live 2001, and a pump dunk that doesnt bring the ball all the way down, then one where they bring the ball to their hip.
regular 1 handed 360
regular 2 handed 360
Between the legs
Why does NBA Live have to make special dunks so complicated? I saw 1 360 windmill in my life in a real game-Ricky Davis this year. Guys like Corie Maggette shouldnt be able to do it.
Layups(provided not available with freestyle air)
Up and Under
1 hand up and under (like dr. J's, just not behind the backboard.)
regular finger roll
A couple of fancy ones, like a 360 or mid-air reverse. They just shouldnt be as frequent as fancy lay-ups in Live 2003 were.
Also, I had an idea
How about Player Specific Dunk Packages? For instance:
Lebron's: Maybe 10 normal dunks. Then he has 5 advanced(windmills, 360's etc.) Then he has his own signature dunks like the sky walker dunk, a powerful one-handed tomahawk, a double pump reverse off of 2 feet, etc.
Jason Richardson: Same as Lebron, but his advanced would have his signature windmill, a between the legs dunk, reverse windmill.
Allen Iverson: He should have a simple one handed, 2 handed and then his signature two dunks, where he starts with one hand and finishes with two, then the one where he starts with 1, switches to 2, and then finishes with one hand.
Shaq: He would have his normal power jams that make the backboard shake.
Kind of like that for most stars.
Then they can have their normal dunk packages for other guys.
That is all I have to say for now.
Sun May 02, 2004 12:58 pm
Dunks:
An assortment of simple dunks, including:
- One handed dunk, standing
- One handed dunk, off the dribble
- Two handed dunk, standing
- Two handed dunk, off the dribble
There would be variations of each, including hanging on the rim and varying degrees of power.
An assortment of powerful tomahawks and two handed slams, available for dunking in traffic and adding emphasis on the fast break or in the open court. Further variations on the basic one and two handed dunks. Also, some of the simple dunks after taking off further away from the basket.
Two handed reverse dunks, from a few angles and with varying power, with a couple of them involving hanging on the rim. Also a couple of one handed reverse dunks, mostly simple.
Windmill dunks in a few styles, including great extension (a la Dominique Wilkins) and less extension (think Steve Francis in the dunk contest a few years ago).
Between-the-legs - Practice Mode only. Or the dunk contest, if it's in the game.
One handed 360, available spinning in both directions. Varying degrees of power.
Two handed 360, available spinning in both directions. Varying degress of power, with not all of them resulting in the player hanging on the rim.
Free throw line dunk, mostly occuring in practice mode. Also a few near-free throw line dunks which could occur a little more often in gameplay than the free throw line dunk.
Statue of Liberty dunk, and Statue of Liberty 360.
A few more double pump dunks, including double pump reverse dunks.
Layups:
The basic layups in NBA Live 2004 are already realistic, so I don't really have much to say about that. However...
When running under the basket, it should be possible to automatically execute a reverse layup as you could in NBA Live 2002. A little more control over reverse layups would be great.
Various up-and-under layups, include "Jordanesque" layups and other more basic up-and-under moves...and maybe a few spectacular ones for specific players.
Dr J's Scoop Up and Under (behind the backboard) - for Dr J only.
Dunk Packages
A couple of layup-only packages.
A couple of "rarely dunks" packages, with one being mostly layups with a couple of one handed dunks, and the other including a couple of two handed dunks in addition to the layups and one handed dunks.
An assortment of basic dunk packages:
- Only one handed dunks
- Only two handed dunks
- Mostly one handed dunks, with a couple of two handed dunks
- Mostly two handed dunks, with a couple of one handed dunks
- A few mixtures of one and two handed dunks
- Mostly basic one handed dunks with a couple of fancier dunks
- Mostly basic two handed dunks with a couple of fancier dunks
- A few mixtures of one and two handed dunks with a couple of fancier dunks
There would be a few variations suitable for more athletic/less athletic and shorter/taller players.
An assortment of spectacular dunk packages, each with plenty of basic dunks (see above for the kind of variations of the packages)
A couple of dunk packages that include pretty every dunk in the game.
A few player-specific dunk packages (I think that's a great idea ruffryder
).
That's about all I can think of at the moment.
An assortment of simple dunks, including:
- One handed dunk, standing
- One handed dunk, off the dribble
- Two handed dunk, standing
- Two handed dunk, off the dribble
There would be variations of each, including hanging on the rim and varying degrees of power.
An assortment of powerful tomahawks and two handed slams, available for dunking in traffic and adding emphasis on the fast break or in the open court. Further variations on the basic one and two handed dunks. Also, some of the simple dunks after taking off further away from the basket.
Two handed reverse dunks, from a few angles and with varying power, with a couple of them involving hanging on the rim. Also a couple of one handed reverse dunks, mostly simple.
Windmill dunks in a few styles, including great extension (a la Dominique Wilkins) and less extension (think Steve Francis in the dunk contest a few years ago).
Between-the-legs - Practice Mode only. Or the dunk contest, if it's in the game.
One handed 360, available spinning in both directions. Varying degrees of power.
Two handed 360, available spinning in both directions. Varying degress of power, with not all of them resulting in the player hanging on the rim.
Free throw line dunk, mostly occuring in practice mode. Also a few near-free throw line dunks which could occur a little more often in gameplay than the free throw line dunk.
Statue of Liberty dunk, and Statue of Liberty 360.
A few more double pump dunks, including double pump reverse dunks.
Layups:
The basic layups in NBA Live 2004 are already realistic, so I don't really have much to say about that. However...
When running under the basket, it should be possible to automatically execute a reverse layup as you could in NBA Live 2002. A little more control over reverse layups would be great.
Various up-and-under layups, include "Jordanesque" layups and other more basic up-and-under moves...and maybe a few spectacular ones for specific players.
Dr J's Scoop Up and Under (behind the backboard) - for Dr J only.
Dunk Packages
A couple of layup-only packages.
A couple of "rarely dunks" packages, with one being mostly layups with a couple of one handed dunks, and the other including a couple of two handed dunks in addition to the layups and one handed dunks.
An assortment of basic dunk packages:
- Only one handed dunks
- Only two handed dunks
- Mostly one handed dunks, with a couple of two handed dunks
- Mostly two handed dunks, with a couple of one handed dunks
- A few mixtures of one and two handed dunks
- Mostly basic one handed dunks with a couple of fancier dunks
- Mostly basic two handed dunks with a couple of fancier dunks
- A few mixtures of one and two handed dunks with a couple of fancier dunks
There would be a few variations suitable for more athletic/less athletic and shorter/taller players.
An assortment of spectacular dunk packages, each with plenty of basic dunks (see above for the kind of variations of the packages)
A couple of dunk packages that include pretty every dunk in the game.
A few player-specific dunk packages (I think that's a great idea ruffryder
).
That's about all I can think of at the moment.
Sun May 02, 2004 10:42 pm
i'd like to see more realistic animation in the dunks sort of like wat jordan and kobe did in look in different directions while in air dunkin or just b4 jumpin for dunk in breakaways and more dunks to suit dunkin over other players u know it looks asthough they struggle a bit and body leans over player they r dunkin and maybe incorporate a bit of hangin on the ring especially if its a 1 hander some other dunks to incorporate could be
- a dunk where the player switches the ball from 1 hand to another
- maybe vc dunk he did in 2000 olympics over 7'3 french centre but not to that extreme maybe say over earl boykins.
- maybe an off the boackboard alley oop dunk and and off the bounce maybe more done in exhibition/all star games or if theres a 2 on 2 mode
- and just some more creative dunks anything slightly different from reg dunks
more layup styles like a proper reverse windmill style like mj and so on
an example of the dunk that would sick is in this pic
- a dunk where the player switches the ball from 1 hand to another
- maybe vc dunk he did in 2000 olympics over 7'3 french centre but not to that extreme maybe say over earl boykins.
- maybe an off the boackboard alley oop dunk and and off the bounce maybe more done in exhibition/all star games or if theres a 2 on 2 mode
- and just some more creative dunks anything slightly different from reg dunks
more layup styles like a proper reverse windmill style like mj and so on
an example of the dunk that would sick is in this pic
Last edited by Arcane on Tue May 04, 2004 3:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Tue May 04, 2004 9:49 am
They need signature layups.
Obviously Julius Erving--not just under the basket, but he's had a few where he weaved around players that were just as spectacular.
Jordan should have the layups where he goes up into the crowd, lets them fall back down, and he shoots the layup as he floats by (Hopefully you know what I'm talking about)
George Gervin sweeping finger roll.
My only problem with signature dunks, is they may be overused.
Obviously Julius Erving--not just under the basket, but he's had a few where he weaved around players that were just as spectacular.
Jordan should have the layups where he goes up into the crowd, lets them fall back down, and he shoots the layup as he floats by (Hopefully you know what I'm talking about)
George Gervin sweeping finger roll.
My only problem with signature dunks, is they may be overused.
Tue May 04, 2004 7:31 pm
they should have off the backboard ones like in ESPN basketball
Tue May 04, 2004 11:52 pm
Honeslty, they need re-think their dunks, take a page from several other basketball games dunks, actaully look at a NBA game or several. Sure they should have more fancy dunks, but how often does that happen, mainly that'll happen in the first half, then after that is all layups, or whatever.
I want more realistic dunks, like ones through traffic, specific player dunk packages, some fancy ones, not boring ones either, players like Sprewell and Lebron have very good dunk packages, they basically do the same dunks, although they throw in some good ones every now and then and what about guys like Hughes, they were in a dunk contest with Carter, and they get nothing, just a 'one handed 6 footer AI' dunk.
EA needs to take a long hard look at what needs to be fixed... especially that 2 handed behind the backboard one where his hands are through the backboard, all in all, I just want realism. That's my one dollar, since I've got no change...
Peace,
Macca
P.S, I'd just like to take a moment and say hi to all those here at 'NBA Live General 2005.'
I want more realistic dunks, like ones through traffic, specific player dunk packages, some fancy ones, not boring ones either, players like Sprewell and Lebron have very good dunk packages, they basically do the same dunks, although they throw in some good ones every now and then and what about guys like Hughes, they were in a dunk contest with Carter, and they get nothing, just a 'one handed 6 footer AI' dunk.
EA needs to take a long hard look at what needs to be fixed... especially that 2 handed behind the backboard one where his hands are through the backboard, all in all, I just want realism. That's my one dollar, since I've got no change...
Peace,
Macca
P.S, I'd just like to take a moment and say hi to all those here at 'NBA Live General 2005.'
Wed May 05, 2004 12:31 am
i reckon for players like-
spree should have their cocked back arms and legs with crazy facial expressions.
vince carter could maybe do his windmill alley oop hes done a few times and big 360's.
since the between the legs have been done in a real nba game why not throw it in live again with a few variations of it nothing absolutley hardcore but just like 3 different styles of it.
thats all i can think of now for examples and possibilities
spree should have their cocked back arms and legs with crazy facial expressions.
vince carter could maybe do his windmill alley oop hes done a few times and big 360's.
since the between the legs have been done in a real nba game why not throw it in live again with a few variations of it nothing absolutley hardcore but just like 3 different styles of it.
thats all i can think of now for examples and possibilities
Wed May 05, 2004 9:09 am
The between the legs should be restricted for people with a 95 or better dunk rating, and at least only done in the open court with all defenders behind half court.
And I hate the CPU catch up speed. I can have Ben Wallace chase down Kobe on a fast break and reject his dunk. It's stupid.
Also, blocked dunks shouldnt happen too often either.
And I would like to maybe see a rating for off-hand that determines how good a right handed player could make a left handed dunk or layup. Kobe would have a 90 maybe and Vince would have a 70, since his first ever left handed dunk came this year.
And I hate the CPU catch up speed. I can have Ben Wallace chase down Kobe on a fast break and reject his dunk. It's stupid.
Also, blocked dunks shouldnt happen too often either.
And I would like to maybe see a rating for off-hand that determines how good a right handed player could make a left handed dunk or layup. Kobe would have a 90 maybe and Vince would have a 70, since his first ever left handed dunk came this year.
Wed May 05, 2004 11:54 am
Just have the dunks from NBA Street Vol.2, just not the alley oops. 
Also make the player edit include a moves list so you can assign certian dunks/layups/crossovers to certian players.
Also make the player edit include a moves list so you can assign certian dunks/layups/crossovers to certian players.
Thu May 06, 2004 8:01 am
ludacris06 wrote:Just have the dunks from NBA Street Vol.2, just not the alley oops.
Also make the player edit include a moves list so you can assign certian dunks/layups/crossovers to certian players.
Yeah. I like the dunks from Street 2 but some of them are just too crazy, like the 360 between the legs and between the legs with elbow in the rim.
Thu May 06, 2004 10:39 pm
OH GOD...NO!!!
This ain't NBA STREET!
I love NBA STREET VOLUME 2, but man, if they have all the dunks in street I will get really angry. Not only are most of those dunks very difficult, but they aren't done in an nba game. I wish those developers could know the difference between ARCADE and reality. Please...not too much focus on dunks...PLEASE..
I agree with what Macca said. How often do dunks happen? Shaq had the most dunks last season with 200 something, K-mart was second with 100 something...that means, AT MOST 2 DUNKS PER GAME PER PLAYER. The dunks shouldn't be too fancy, but not too dull either. But please, for the love of all things realistic, REDUCE the number of dunks. Whoever says that they get less than 2 dunks per game per player in live, is either trying hard not to dunk, getting their @$$ kicked by human/cpu opponents or are using seriously messed up tweaks.
This ain't NBA STREET!
I love NBA STREET VOLUME 2, but man, if they have all the dunks in street I will get really angry. Not only are most of those dunks very difficult, but they aren't done in an nba game. I wish those developers could know the difference between ARCADE and reality. Please...not too much focus on dunks...PLEASE..
I agree with what Macca said. How often do dunks happen? Shaq had the most dunks last season with 200 something, K-mart was second with 100 something...that means, AT MOST 2 DUNKS PER GAME PER PLAYER. The dunks shouldn't be too fancy, but not too dull either. But please, for the love of all things realistic, REDUCE the number of dunks. Whoever says that they get less than 2 dunks per game per player in live, is either trying hard not to dunk, getting their @$$ kicked by human/cpu opponents or are using seriously messed up tweaks.
re;
Sun May 16, 2004 12:35 pm
I don't know much about the technical stuff of a game, but I imagine each dunk/move takes up a lil bit of space on the CD. Personally I would sacrifice a lot of the BS that EA puts in their games for as many moves/dunks/shots/steals anything. I would like a game with so many captures that the game doesn't feel old after a few games. Like Andrew said, have many many dunks for specific spots on the floor, and how fast you're player is running. Like if you're player is sprinting and he catches a pass totally in synch he should just go up and slam it hard and fast.
But most of all, I think their needs to be dunks that make you think "that was nasty." And I'm talking about plain dunks. Just plain, one or two handed dunks, no 360 or nothing, just plain nasty dunks.
But most of all, I think their needs to be dunks that make you think "that was nasty." And I'm talking about plain dunks. Just plain, one or two handed dunks, no 360 or nothing, just plain nasty dunks.
Sun May 16, 2004 2:25 pm
Oh my god YES! That's the thing these dunks are missing!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FACIAL EXPRESSIONS! If you ever look at a screenshot of KG or someone dunking on the break, they got some bad azz look on their face, eyes on the rim. If they really do have better graphics, hopefully they can do some better facial expressions. (Possibly borrow stuff from the Source engine and use facial expressions?)
FACIAL EXPRESSIONS! If you ever look at a screenshot of KG or someone dunking on the break, they got some bad azz look on their face, eyes on the rim. If they really do have better graphics, hopefully they can do some better facial expressions. (Possibly borrow stuff from the Source engine and use facial expressions?)
Wed May 19, 2004 8:35 am
Dr J's Scoop Up and Under (behind the backboard) - for Dr J only.
vince carter did it in air canada center versus dallas or others nba team
he did a up and under one (behind the backboard) but dunk with his right hand
vince carter did it in air canada center versus dallas or others nba team
he did a up and under one (behind the backboard) but dunk with his right hand
Wed May 19, 2004 3:52 pm
more facial dunks should be included especially with air freestyle the dunks shouldnt be so stiff
Thu May 20, 2004 10:58 am
I hate it when you dunk on someone and they move back in mid-air. It looks real stupid. I hope EA fixes that.
Thu May 20, 2004 12:44 pm
What they really should do is mess with their in-air collision engine, so if you take off from far away and somebody is by the basket, they grab your legs or something as you dunk on them, instead of seeing your guy just run over him and get no call.
Fri May 21, 2004 9:42 am
Alcoholic wrote:What they really should do is mess with their in-air collision engine, so if you take off from far away and somebody is by the basket, they grab your legs or something as you dunk on them, instead of seeing your guy just run over him and get no call.
Yeah, that too. I have once taken off from nearly the foul line and as I get close to the basket and someone gets infront of me I stop in mid-air and run the guy over and miss a lay-up.
Fri May 21, 2004 12:40 pm
They stand in the restricted area too. 
Mon May 24, 2004 6:04 am
Dreaming...
EA should take "Freestyle" to the next level. You should actually be able to control what your arms do while you're in the air. Spinning the right analog in a circle should make you do a windmill, but if you spin it halfway and then while you're at the top your thumb slips down, your player would try some insane windmill up-and-under. Going up, circling down, then back to the center would make you do that MJ thing where he is running forward, waits for the D to fall, then spins it back up while he is passing the rim. Flicking it down would make an up-and-under if you are facing the rim, or a normal reverse if you have your back to the backboard. You jump when you press the layup button and when you release it you put your shot up, no matter what, even if the ball is directly under the basket. That means you have to know what you're doing with freestyle. You would still be able to do simple dunks by just pressing the layup button, but try and dunk on someone without avoiding their hand and you will get stuffed.
Not in 2005, though...
EA should take "Freestyle" to the next level. You should actually be able to control what your arms do while you're in the air. Spinning the right analog in a circle should make you do a windmill, but if you spin it halfway and then while you're at the top your thumb slips down, your player would try some insane windmill up-and-under. Going up, circling down, then back to the center would make you do that MJ thing where he is running forward, waits for the D to fall, then spins it back up while he is passing the rim. Flicking it down would make an up-and-under if you are facing the rim, or a normal reverse if you have your back to the backboard. You jump when you press the layup button and when you release it you put your shot up, no matter what, even if the ball is directly under the basket. That means you have to know what you're doing with freestyle. You would still be able to do simple dunks by just pressing the layup button, but try and dunk on someone without avoiding their hand and you will get stuffed.
Not in 2005, though...
Mon May 24, 2004 7:54 am
I guess they should make the left stick your left arm and right stick your right arm and if you do different moves maybe you can wave to the people below as you windmill with the other hand.
Then you see it on replay and your guy is waving @ the camera. HI MOM!
Then you see it on replay and your guy is waving @ the camera. HI MOM!
Mon May 24, 2004 10:33 am
Alcoholic wrote:I guess they should make the left stick your left arm and right stick your right arm and if you do different moves maybe you can wave to the people below as you windmill with the other hand.
Then you see it on replay and your guy is waving @ the camera. HI MOM!
lol.
I forgot what I was gonna say.
