2011 NBA Finals: Mavs V. Heat, part deux

Everything Wade or Bron does, it becomes a hot issue these days.

Much like everyone else in the public eye.

"First of all, it wasn't fake coughing," Wade said. "I actually did cough. And with the cameras being right there, we made a joke out of it because we knew you guys were going to blow it up. You did exactly what we knew. We never said Dirk's name. I think he's not the only one in the world who can get sick or have a cough. We just had fun with the cameras being right in our face about the blowup of the incident, and it held to be true. You blew it up."

Not buying it.

As for the flopping, if you are going to hate everyone that flops, there wouldn't be an end to it. It has been the part of the game for ages and not sure why anyone's starting pick on them right now.

What?

Flopping has always been widely criticised, no matter who's doing it.

Not saying it's a good thing or that it doesn't deserve criticism. But everyone flops in the NBA even Dirk the guy you are rooting for isn't an exception. It's always been there. Like I said, it's those hate factors you mentioned earlier and Mavericks' being the team that most people are fond of, are the reasons why people are trying to make the Heat look worse than what they really are.

And like I said, flopping has always been widely criticised, no matter who's doing it. However, you seem to be getting bent out of shape because people are daring to criticise the Heat, who are certainly bringing some of the scorn upon themselves. Bottom line, they can't demand everyone's attention and then complain when they're put under a microscope and not all reactions to them are positive. It just doesn't work that way.

However, you seem to be getting bent out of shape because people are daring to criticise the Heat,

Perhaps I am, but what would you have me say as I am one of the fewer active Heat fans around. When Rose with his IQ was questioned, I didn't think you were much different.

Well yeah, I admit, I do get a lil fired up if someone calls out Dirk or something.

But let's get this straight: This Miami Heat team is supposed to win 7 titles. Maybe if LeBron wasn't such of a loudmouth, the scrutiny wouldn't be as bad as it all right now. LeBron is too cocky, stop complaining, shut up and actually preform your best.

EDIT: You might say, "Well say that to Deshawn." He sort of knows what he's doing, but he's done a solid job of keeping James silent.

When Rose with his IQ was questioned, I didn't think you were much different.

The difference is that I countered arguments and questioned the relevance of certain facts, such as Rose's academic abilities, when it came to critiquing him as a player. I did opine that the jokes Lamrock was making were uninspired and getting old, though I never said he wasn't free to dislike Rose or have his own criteria for liking and disliking players; just that I disagreed with it and it shouldn't be a factor when rating and ranking players.

On the other hand, your counterpoint so far has basically been to state that the Heat are being picked on - no matter what the criticism or its validity - and there always seems to be an excuse. I'm not saying don't stick up for your team, but playing the victim card is a lazy argument and reeks of fanboyism.

LeBron had a Josh Howard "you can't control what the ball do" moment...

no matter what the criticism or its validity - and there always seems to be an excuse. I'm not saying don't stick up for your team, but playing the victim card is a lazy argument and reeks of fanboyism.

Not an excuse but more like the other side of story I was offering. I am not forcing my views on anybody. If you didn't notice, the Heat have been on the target here from post 1. I never said every each one of them weren't valid.

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Well Houndy idc what LeBron says. Some of the things he says are borderline stupid but he's only human. Not everything that comes out the human mouth is intelligent and if everything is in your case I guess you'd be considered perfect. Hey you're going to say or do atleast one thing most people don't agree with when you have the camera in your face always like LeBron. He said the Heat are going to win 7 rings. So what! You ever said something was going to happen out of confidence but it didnt?

And yes D. Rose is my fav player but I do question his intelligence at times like on that 9.8 commercial lol but that was a low blow zan and stop getting so defensive when people criticize one of your heroes. It's not like their going to you props for sticking up for them. They don't even know you. So what's the point? Bottom-line is people are entitled to their opinions. Let them think what they want to think. Whether it's wrong or not in your eyes. Unless you have data to back it up like Benji.

Finally, I don't understand the issue with flopping. Hell I flop on the court to gain an advantage and I encourage others to start if they don't. That just means you have a high basketball IQ and know how to stretch the rules. It's part of the game. So keep doing it. I love it! But if it's like that shit Bosh tried to pull last week then...hell no!

Bottom-line is people are entitled to their opinions. Let them think what they want to think. Whether it's wrong or not in your eyes. Unless you have data to back it up like Benji.

Exactly.

in whatever way you want to take it I guess. LeBron does need to learn to be more like Wade and keep his mouth sealed on certain things. He's gotten a little better though. You notice how Wade doesn't get criticized nearly as badly as LeBron. Just a matter of using his brain a little more.

I don't remember Lebron talking at all in this series even when he was provoked, or series before that but I am sure I am wrong again.

Maybe the Heat are true scumbags that need constant spanking. Lebron and Wade should have never made a joke in front of camera. That ain't too classy. What foolish jokers they made out of themselves. Dirk was sick with 100 degree fever and how dare they have little fun of it. Just childish and moronic. I'm ashamed to be a Heat fan now and nobody should never speak up for it. No matter how other players and media say, they need to shut the fuck up and just play the ball. Look how much talking these two and the Heat have been doing. What they said just freaks me out in this series and series before and a series before that as well. Too much talking why can't they just play? Look at all those other players how classy they are, especially Mavericks and the Bulls. Bunch of loudmouth and classless clowns the Heat are. Hoping they were never the Heat.

See dude youre doing it again.
And I was speaking in general. Not just this series.

I am agreeing with you. He's been talking too much even though all those media and people never wanted to find out or focus on what his thoughts are.

Flopping has always been widely criticised, no matter who's doing it.

Also, there's a thin line between flopping and selling a foul. For me, flopping is "creating" a foul that didn't actually happen. There are players who are known floppers like Ginobili, Barea, Varjao. But most of the times, there actually was a foul. They just oversold it. Like this:

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I just loved HBK...

If you didn't notice, the Heat have been on the target here from post 1.

playing the victim card

Again.



As for the flopping, yes, Dirk's a flopper. But most people know that (which is strange as people now seemed to have amnesia about it) because he's been doing it for a long time already that it can be considered a part of his game (because he's white and can't play D lol) like Ginobili, Derek Fisher, Raja Bell, and Wade. They flop to compensate for a weakness in their game or to get more FTAs, like Wade does.
The 'issue' of LeBron flopping seems to have incited the hate more because flopping isn't really a part of his game, LeBron could easily bulldoze his way through 3-4 defenders, get the basket and the call.
Deal is both fans and haters hold LeBron to a higher standard because of his talent. LeBron with all his talents shouldn't settle for a bitch flop and instead take it to the basket and get the foul, which he easily did for years.
As for Bosh, he's a bitch. No other explanation for that.

The Terry and Stevenson comments didn't get much attention because of exactly that, they're Terry and Stevenson. They're not the 'face' of the team, it's Dirk or Jason Kidd because of him being the oldest in the team. If Dirk and Kidd said/did something I'm sure people would pay attention to it like they do with Wade and LeBron.

Not an excuse but more like the other side of story I was offering. I am not forcing my views on anybody. If you didn't notice, the Heat have been on the target here from post 1. I never said every each one of them weren't valid.

But see, you are making excuses. The Heat cop some criticism, so your response is to start pointing at what other people are doing as a means of justifying it. That's not telling another side of the story, that's making excuses.

"But the Mavericks are talking too!"
"They're not the only ones that flop!"
"They weren't making fun of Dirk, they were just proving a point about the media!"
"Everyone's picking on the Heat!"

Excuses, excuses, excuses. No one's buying it.

Maybe the Heat are true scumbags that need constant spanking. Lebron and Wade should have never made a joke in front of camera. That ain't too classy. What foolish jokers they made out of themselves. Dirk was sick with 100 degree fever and how dare they have little fun of it. Just childish and moronic. I'm ashamed to be a Heat fan now and nobody should never speak up for it. No matter how other players and media say, they need to shut the fuck up and just play the ball. Look how much talking these two and the Heat have been doing. What they said just freaks me out in this series and series before and a series before that as well. Too much talking why can't they just play? Look at all those other players how classy they are, especially Mavericks and the Bulls. Bunch of loudmouth and classless clowns the Heat are. Hoping they were never the Heat.

Sarcasm, yes, very clever. All that post demonstrates is that you've completely missed the point and even though you've been called on playing the victim card several times already, you're still slapping it down on the table and desperately hoping it will come up trumps. It won't.

The Heat have been targeted from day one? Boo hoo. They also drew a lot of attention to themselves with The Decision, the introductory press conference and proclamations of winning multiple championships, not to mention simply being a top team with three of the biggest names and best players in the league with all the expectations that that brings. They cannot demand attention and then cry foul when it's not all positive.

As for the Heat not being able to speak their mind, that's not the argument here. It's not a case of the Mavs being allowed to talk while the Heat cannot. The reactions and the criticism being directed at the Heat is borne of what has been said, not the mere fact that they dared to speak. To say that is to ignore the context and content of the criticism; again, playing the victim card.

DeShawn Stevenson certainly has had a bit to say since the series began. Most of us are inclined to raise an eyebrow because LeBron's one of the best in the game and he's not, but fine. If LeBron wanted to come back at him and suggest he's a far better player than Stevenson, that's fine too. After all, what's Stevenson's career compared to LeBron's? Now, such a comeback from LeBron could arguably carry a little more punch if he was doing a better job in the fourth quarter right now but at the end of the day LeBron is going down in history as one of the greatest to play the game while Stevenson is not. Nothing wrong with some verbal sparring, you do expect a bit of boasting and competitiveness to get the better of people's mouths, especially in the Finals. Eventually you do hope that everyone will just play basketball and let their game do the talking.

Of course, the rest of us are still free to shake our heads and say "Pfft, yeah right." In the case of Wade and LeBron coughing for the cameras before Game 5, they're free to pull little stunts like that but a fan watching is also free to think "Huh, that was lame", which is basically what a lot of people have said. Following the Game 5 loss, they're now claiming they weren't making fun of Dirk, it was a real cough and they decided to play it up to prove a point about the media. Some people are bound to call bullshit on that. I'm in that camp because to me, it sounds like they're backpedaling after they rather weakly poked fun at Dirk and it blew up in their face when they didn't win the game, giving him the last laugh. They're going public with these claims, so the public has a right to believe or disbelieve it and remark upon it. Since we're all NBA/basketball fans here, chances are we're going to voice our opinions on the matter. We do that for all teams and players.

The Heat don't have to keep their mouths shut but in situations like that, it's probably best that they do as they're not doing themselves much of a service by opening them to say stuff like that. If they want to proclaim that they believe they can still win the series or declare that they will and that they're going to go out and defend their home court, so be it. You'd expect them to say stuff like that, nothing wrong with it. If Wade and LeBron want to say they're better than Terry and Stevenson and will outplay them then that's a fair enough claim too. Childish digs and making up excuses though? Meh, my two cents says come up with something better or just play basketball.

As for the connection with flopping/acting, the criticism there is that it's just a tad hypocritical to mock an opponent for supposedly faking illness when they've been doing plenty of acting themselves. At this point one might mention Bosh selling a poke in the eye like it was gouged out, along with the flops and flailing to get calls. It's not a case of "You can't talk," more a case of "Well, you're one to talk" or "Really, you're calling them out on that?"

Summary/tl;dr version: Attempting to justify something by saying "Other people are doing it" is making an excuse, plain and simple. The Heat are free to make these digs and say what they want, but at the same time an observer is free to criticise what they're saying, think it's lame, call it hypocritical, call bullshit on any explanations, whatever. To that end, one might say the Heat would be better off not saying this or that, but that's not implying they don't have the right and should not be allowed to say it.

As for the flopping, yes, Dirk's a flopper. But most people know that (which is strange as people now seemed to have amnesia about it) because he's been doing it for a long time already that it can be considered a part of his game (because he's white and can't play D lol) like Ginobili, Derek Fisher, Raja Bell, and Wade. They flop to compensate for a weakness in their game or to get more FTAs, like Wade does.
The 'issue' of LeBron flopping seems to have incited the hate more because flopping isn't really a part of his game, LeBron could easily bulldoze his way through 3-4 defenders, get the basket and the call.
Deal is both fans and haters hold LeBron to a higher standard because of his talent. LeBron with all his talents shouldn't settle for a bitch flop and instead take it to the basket and get the foul, which he easily did for years.
As for Bosh, he's a bitch. No other explanation for that.

The Terry and Stevenson comments didn't get much attention because of exactly that, they're Terry and Stevenson. They're not the 'face' of the team, it's Dirk or Jason Kidd because of him being the oldest in the team. If Dirk and Kidd said something I'm sure people would pay attention to it like they do with Wade and LeBron.

Exactly.

The truth is the Heat were being bashed without any regards to those so called excuses and as a Heat fan I was doing nothing more than offering my views, whether people bought or not. In that regard, shadowgrin’s last argument was much more sensible to me rather than listing hundred of reasonings why I shouldn’t be a fan of the Heat.

And of course being probably the only hardcore Heat fan here, why can I not suggest a little bit of “Why can’t you see it this way?” view in my responses(to whatever the crap has been said on the Heat, valid or not) especially when everybody is justifying themselves in dissing/hating the Heat. This, I think you are having a hard time accepting. You certainly didn’t need to go in depth with me, explaining why the Heat are being hated or how they have to behave as I find those topics very subjective. It’s just that my perspective differs from yours and again I am not here to force my views but I find yours bit forcing. You certainly shouldn’t have expected me to agree with you on what was being said here on all accounts.

In the end I do not mind you seeing Bron and Wade as dickheads who shouldn’t be making fun of Dirk but there is also nothing wrong for me to see them just having a good time. Wade’s comment trying to protect his position, I don’t see it as a big deal either which also you seem to find hard to accept.

The truth is the Heat were being bashed without any regards to those so called excuses and as a Heat fan I was doing nothing more than offering my views, whether people bought or not. In that regard, shadowgrin’s last argument was much more sensible to me rather than listing hundred of reasonings why I shouldn’t be a fan of the Heat.

Oh, for crying out loud, quit playing the victim card! No one is listing hundreds of reasons why you shouldn't be a fan of the Heat. You didn't seem to grasp why people were criticising the Heat and continuing to suggest they are being picked on, so I offered some clarification on my point of view.

And of course being probably the only hardcore Heat fan here, why can I not suggest a little bit of “Why can’t you see it this way?” view in my responses(to whatever the crap has been said on the Heat, valid or not)

Sure, you can defend your team and offer an alternate point of view. But when your point of view revolves around everyone being a hater and picking on the Heat, expect that point to be challenged. This is a discussion forum, the conversation doesn't automatically end the moment you offer a dissenting opinion. It's not a matter of "Well, both sides have said their piece, that's the end of it." The whole point is to debate these things, we are sports fans after all.

especially when everybody is justifying themselves in dissing/hating the Heat.

Again, that's pulling out the victim card and crying hater rather than addressing any of the points that anyone has made.

This, I think you are having a hard time accepting.

I'm having a hard time accepting things? You're the one countering every argument with talk of haters.

You certainly didn’t need to go in depth with me, explaining why the Heat are being hated or how they have to behave as I find those topics very subjective. It’s just that my perspective differs from yours and again I am not here to force my views but I find yours bit forcing. You certainly shouldn’t have expected me to agree with you on what was being said here on all accounts.

You find my views a "bit forcing"? Wow...really? You're not new to discussions forums, you know how these things work.

I went into detail because it really seemed you weren't getting where I and other people expressing similar views were coming from. I figured that clarification was needed for the conversation to progress and to ensure that my point of view was accurately stated. I did not expect you to change your point of view or agree with me but I was attempting to show that the criticism was not out of blind hatred for or desire to pick on the Heat. I've offered similar opinions about comments other players have made in the past and I doubt my reaction would be any different if it were anyone else we were talking about.

But if you're going to dismiss any critique of the Heat as mindless hating, I guess it was a fruitless exercise. Note that you were the one to bring up the notion of the Heat being hated in the first place.

In the end I do not mind you seeing Bron and Wade as dickheads who shouldn’t be making fun of Dirk but there is also nothing wrong for me to see them just having a good time. Wade’s comment trying to protect his position, I don’t see it as a big deal either which also you seem to find hard to accept.

Again with this asinine rhetoric about me not being able to accept things. Look, if that's your opinion on this particular topic, fine. But this is an environment where opinions can be challenged and if you're going to put the argument out there that anyone who disagrees with you is a hater, you're probably going to be called out on it. If you want to post your opinion and not have people challenge it, get a blog and close the comments section.

I offered clarification on my position and an explanation on why I held that point of view, you've chosen to see it as hating and an attempt to instruct you on what you should think. If vehemently arguing my point of view is to instruct other posters how to think, then how are you any different? How is it that I am forcing my views on others by arguing a point, but you are not?

I realise this is an issue where ultimately, we have to agree to disagree on the main point. I thought what LeBron and Wade did was lame and their follow-up explanation was backpedaling. You don't see it that way and you're as sure of your position as I am mine. Fair enough. But if you're going to argue that anyone with an opposing view to yours is just plain hating then I do disagree and feel that at the very least, you're making a blanket statement. That's pretty much what the discussion is about at this point.

I just think that this Dallas team seems to be more professional with the media. But it also comes with experience. I remember some interviews in 2007 where Dirk claimed that he thought the whole media hype in the Finals were "new" for the Mavs and kind of made them losing their focus.

This time, the Mavs just keep calm. Sure, Terry loves to talk, but he's not losing the ground below his feet. Dirk has never been a big talker. He lets his game talk. It's kind of his mentality. Maybe it has something to do with the fact how he came into the league and did not get that hype early in his career whilst Wade and especially LeBron just got hyped since their highschool / college days.

It's just a different thing in Europe I guess. People ain't getting hyped like they do in the US and it's rather like young players don't even get a lot playing time and are criticized most by their coaches instead of telling them how good they are. (which often leads to a stand-still)

Wade & LeBron are great basketball players (best SG & best SF in the league right now) and they will win some rings. I hope it's just not right now because the Heat aren't clicking as much as a Championship team needs to. I still see a lot of room for improvement for them in case of playing a great team-offense. The Mavs have the edge there if you ask me, it's more of team basketball and just understanding each other better on the floor.

About LeBron, he has been creating a whole lot for his team mates in the fourth and he actually thinks Wade was hotter in the fourth. Getting criticized for being unselfish and giving the ball to the "hotter" player while putting up a triple-double is really not right. 17/10/10 and putting the ball in the hand of your best player? That's one heck of a team player move and I don't see a reason to say "why is he not taking over?".

Just another US thing. If your team wins and you score 20 points on 8-20 shooting but dish out 10 assists, everything is great, you are the number one team-player and franchise guy.

If your team loses, you put up 17/10/10, everybody says "why did he not demand the ball and force things, choker!". That's just not right.

You can't win a game by yourself, and even Wade, James and Bosh could not win if they combined for 75 points. The other guys are just standing around on offense and never get their rhythm! Involving them is so important. You look at the Mavs and there is a guy like DeShawn Stevenson, who would not even get one touch on Miami's offense. Stevenson has been the best bench player behind Terry for the Mavs in this Finals (my opinion!).

The Heat can still win this thing, but I find the Mavs just better on offense and just as solid on D, that's why I hope they will finish it tonight. A loss will change the momentum and give Miami the title.

Wade & LeBron are great basketball players (best SG & best SF in the league right now) and they will win some rings. I hope it's just not right now because the Heat aren't clicking as much as a Championship team needs to. I still see a lot of room for improvement for them in case of playing a great team-offense. The Mavs have the edge there if you ask me, it's more of team basketball and just understanding each other better on the floor.

About LeBron, he has been creating a whole lot for his team mates in the fourth and he actually thinks Wade was hotter in the fourth. Getting criticized for being unselfish and giving the ball to the "hotter" player while putting up a triple-double is really not right. 17/10/10 and putting the ball in the hand of your best player? That's one heck of a team player move and I don't see a reason to say "why is he not taking over?".

Just another US thing. If your team wins and you score 20 points on 8-20 shooting but dish out 10 assists, everything is great, you are the number one team-player and franchise guy.

If your team loses, you put up 17/10/10, everybody says "why did he not demand the ball and force things, choker!". That's just not right.

I see where you're coming from and LeBron was carving up the Mavs with his passing on a few consecutive plays in the fourth, but the thing is a player like LeBron can pretty much have his way with anyone who's guarding him. It's obvious how the Heat can overcome deficits and put a team away when LeBron is aggressive - just look at the Bulls series - so if I'm a Heat fan, I want to see that happen. He's not scoring when the Heat need someone else to help shoulder the scoring load, he's not getting to the free throw line. I believe he has more fouls than free throws in this series and for a player like LeBron who can get to the rim at will, that's a very odd statistic.

About LeBron, he has been creating a whole lot for his team mates in the fourth and he actually thinks Wade was hotter in the fourth. Getting criticized for being unselfish and giving the ball to the "hotter" player while putting up a triple-double is really not right. 17/10/10 and putting the ball in the hand of your best player? That's one heck of a team player move and I don't see a reason to say "why is he not taking over?".

Just another US thing. If your team wins and you score 20 points on 8-20 shooting but dish out 10 assists, everything is great, you are the number one team-player and franchise guy.

If your team loses, you put up 17/10/10, everybody says "why did he not demand the ball and force things, choker!". That's just not right.

You can't win a game by yourself, and even Wade, James and Bosh could not win if they combined for 75 points. The other guys are just standing around on offense and never get their rhythm! Involving them is so important.

Because it's the (near) culmination of the media story since the series started. Before game 3, LeBron said he'll be more aggressive scoring in the fourth quarter. As we all know it didn't happen in the following games, which reinforces the media belief that they are right (since they get a lot of things wrong) in labeling him as a choker.

On the other hand, James only made one shot in the fourth quarter in game five. He was 1-3, with those misses a 3-pointer. I think fans, haters, media, and teammates have a good reason to call out a two-time MVP on why he's playing poorly in the fourth even though he's a triple-double threat every game. It's LeBron we're talking about here, the best player today. Two points and two horrible three-point attempts in the 4th quarter of a close game isn't enough even though he had a triple-double, imo.

Exactly. Admittedly Dirk and Terry both made some ridiculous shots in Game 5 but if LeBron was taking it to the rim, finishing and getting to the free throw line, it could've been a different story. Spurred on by the home crowd, we could see more of that in Game 6 (and possibly Game 7).

Yeah, you might be right with that. But I also feel like he just has problems getting to the line in the series with the great zone defense by the Mavs. They are forcing him to take those shots at times, because in a zone defense it's tough to sneak past two defenders, tougher than going past one for sure.

So maybe we should credit the defense of the Mavs for it, because I don't see why LBJ just does not get those FTs he got so easily during the season.

One point that has gotten more attention and that I also want to mention is the durability standpoint. James has been chasing Terry, Barea etc. running around screens. He also is the number one guy going out on the fastbreak when the Heat force a turnover (sometimes he's he trailer). Combine those exhausting plays with a playing time of 44 minutes per game in the Finals (which is definitely sick, no one else except Dirk is even logging in more than 40 per game) and you can maybe see how James has problems to be that aggressive on offense.

I don't know, I actually don't like LeBron, but he's getting too many hits for a series in which he is basically trying to help his team winning. When Wade took over, the Heat had a great chance of winning, whilst they had not when LeBron tried to force things. He adjusted to that fact and kept passing the ball (which he did not do in game 2 for example, when he took silly shots) and now he gets hammered again.

I still think the main problem is the Heat's role players efficiency on offense - only Mario Chalmers is putting up numbers on a regular basis. But it's imho not only the fault of the role players but also of the whole offensive system. This is where I also start questioning Spoelstra & his staff.

You certainly have to give some credit to the Mavs' defense but I'd still reckon he could be getting to the rim (and free throw line) a bit more in spite of that. He's just that big, strong, quick, athletic and talented. He's getting hammered by fans and the media but as shadowgrin said when you're the best in the league, the bar is set high and the expectations are great. If ever there's a time for him to make use of his gifts and talents, it's now. If I'm a Mavs fan, I'm worried that the home crowd is going to get him in gear.

I agree that the Heat need their role players to step up and support the big three, I'm sure Wade will give it his all and Bosh has had a good series. I'm surprised James Jones hasn't gotten more of a run, he's got the ability to counter the Mavs' three point shooting and really hurt them from downtown. I guess it's difficult to find him time, especially with Miller lifting his game, but as you noted LeBron is playing a lot of minutes and perhaps that is asking too much of him with all that he has to do at both ends of the court. A couple of minutes to Jones could mean some dagger threes, I'm surprised Spoelstra has shied away from it.

If I'm the Mavs, I want to get off to another strong start and never let up. If they take care of the ball, rebound, get good looks and knock them down, they'll be in good shape. I also think they have to end it in six; I believe they can win Game 7 if it comes to it but against a team like the Heat and on the road, all bets are off and I do think the Heat can win two straight at home. I think it's going to be a great finish to a great series, whichever way it goes.