Public Figures & Public Displays of Religion

But he could also be trying to influence other people into Christianity, too? The main goal for us Christians is to save each one of you in this earth so when judgement day comes, you don't go with Satan to hell. That's what our goal is and so you could have ever lasting life. You may not believe it but that's probably what Durant has been taught throughout his life and now he is applying what he has been taught into his life using it to his advantage. Makes sense?

Aha! This is the carte blanche I've always needed to implement the gay agenda! THANK YOU FOR THIS!

All individuals who call themselves Christians are hated.

All individuals are hated by someone for some reason.

Was I supposed to?

Yes. You made the claim I have a religion, I'd like to know what it is.

Agreed on the first part.

Is there anything you believe of disbelieve.

I will catch up with yal tomorrow. It is 11:22PM here in Virginia.

Good discussion!

There's not much of a discussion here. Each time this subject is brought up, you spew out some random scriptures that prove/mean absolutely nothing to anyone with differing views, and you don't even answer direct questions. Maybe one of these days, you will actually realize that claiming that everybody necessarily has a religion just to comfort your own beliefs doesn't make it true. Until that time, way to sink to a new low.

Here's the thing about changing the channel though: it definitely doesn't seem to work both ways. When a group like the Parents' Television Council comes across something they don't like and conflicts with their beliefs, they don't change the channel; they bully advertisers and get shows pulled. Obviously they do not represent all Christians or people of faith but if changing the channel is the rule to follow, it should apply to them the same as the rest of us. If they're allowed to be outraged then Axel certainly is, too.

Well, obviously that sucks, the PTC should not exist because everybody should be allowed to watch whatever they feel like watching.

EDIT: Fuck it, immediatly after submitting that post, I realized that there's no way that could ever happen. Where's the line? Some pedophiles could claim that they want to watch TV, or someone could want to watch murders and shit...It's always so complicated. I demand that religion should be banned.

No, the PTC should exist because everyone should be allowed to gather with like minded others and protest and criticize that which they do not like. The PTC has no official power and is regularly ignored as much or if not more than it succeeds.

There's not much of a discussion here. Each time this subject is brought up, you spew out some random scriptures that prove/mean absolutely nothing to anyone with differing views, and you don't even answer direct questions. Maybe one of these days, you will actually realize that claiming that everybody necessarily has a religion just to comfort your own beliefs doesn't make it true. Until that time, way to sink to a new low.

I think he doesn't seem to understand that if all things are religions, then nothing is a religion because the term is meaningless.

If he limits religions to being merely the same as any moral philosophy his entire appeal to authority argument crumbles because it then allows for the possibility of it being wrong and creates a circular defense where it's right because it's right and it can't be wrong because it's right.

When a group like the Parents' Television Council comes across something they don't like and conflicts with their beliefs, they don't change the channel; they bully advertisers and get shows pulled.

That reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Ned Flanders is doing his daily TV review and takes notes of every minute thing that could potentially be interpreted as offensive, before stumbling across Kent Brockman swearing on live TV...What's sad is that some people apparently do have that kind of dedication in real life. I work in consumer relations and I would have never believed before how absurd people can get when it comes to those things, but now I know better.

Ah. It is awesome how we Christians get discriminated against by people who follow the religion of atheism!

Each time this subject is brought up, you spew out some random scriptures that prove/mean absolutely nothing to anyone with differing views

Austin 3:16 says I just whipped your ass

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Ah. It is awesome how we Christians get discriminated against by people who follow the religion of atheism!

I see you pegged the Catholics and Baptists. They need to examine their theology and stop believing what ever is said across the pulpit just because a preacher said it.

Well, obviously that sucks, the PTC should not exist because everybody should be allowed to watch whatever they feel like watching.

EDIT: Fuck it, immediatly after submitting that post, I realized that there's no way that could ever happen. Where's the line? Some pedophiles could claim that they want to watch TV, or someone could want to watch murders and shit...It's always so complicated. I demand that religion should be banned.

Without Christianity and Judaism pedophilia would not be a problem and it would be perfectly acceptable.

You're against Judaism now? Anti-Semite!
What's next, the Holocaust didn't happen?

The main goal for us Christians is to save each one of you in this earth so when judgement day comes, you don't go with Satan to hell. That's what our goal is and so you could have ever lasting life. You may not believe it but that's probably what Durant has been taught throughout his life and now he is applying what he has been taught into his life using it to his advantage. Makes sense?

That's just fucked up arrogant.
Who are you (or religions in general) to declare that people live a sinful life?
Only God or Billy Mays can rightfully judge people.


Love Jae's post. lol

I love how this turned from a Durant saying something, to puttin saying that every religion sucks besides Christianity.

Puttin, do you really think Islamic people hate everyone else? Are you that blind, like for real?

I love how this turned from a Durant saying something, to puttin saying that every religion sucks besides Christianity.

Puttin, do you really think Islamic people hate everyone else? Are you that blind, like for real?

I said muslims who truly follow the koran to the letter hate all other religions. There are muslim wannabes who try to say that the koran does not teach that but they are just like the supposed christians who twist the bible into saying christians should go to war.

You're against Judaism now? Anti-Semite!
What's next, the Holocaust didn't happen?

The main goal for us Christians is to save each one of you in this earth so when judgement day comes, you don't go with Satan to hell. That's what our goal is and so you could have ever lasting life. You may not believe it but that's probably what Durant has been taught throughout his life and now he is applying what he has been taught into his life using it to his advantage. Makes sense?

That's just fucked up arrogant.
Who are you (or religions in general) to declare that people live a sinful life?
Only God or Billy Mays can rightfully judge people.


Love Jae's post. lol

me hate jews? what?

by your own standard you are hypocrite for telling us we should follow your moral absolute where no person can judge another person.

There's not much of a discussion here. Each time this subject is brought up, you spew out some random scriptures that prove/mean absolutely nothing to anyone with differing views, and you don't even answer direct questions. Maybe one of these days, you will actually realize that claiming that everybody necessarily has a religion just to comfort your own beliefs doesn't make it true. Until that time, way to sink to a new low.

So when you say i am stupid for doing something I cant show you why I do what I do? That's like telling someone on trial, who killed someone accidentally by crashing their car into another car after their tire blew out after hitting an armadillo, that they cannot tell the court how they hit said armadillo which came out of nowhere.

I see you pegged the Catholics and Baptists. They need to examine their theology and stop believing what ever is said across the pulpit just because a preacher said it.

What on earth are you talking about?

I think you read the fake Quran from the Florida Pastor puttin

Uh no! That guy needs to read his own bible before antagonizing muslims!

me hate jews? what?

My bad on that Judaism thing, I misread your statement, still...

Without Christianity and Judaism pedophilia would not be a problem and it would be perfectly acceptable.

Proof or ban?

by your own standard you are hypocrite for telling us we should follow your moral absolute where no person can judge another person.

Did I say that you should follow what I was saying? I asked a question...

Who are you (or religions in general) to declare that people live a sinful life?
Only God or Billy Mays can rightfully judge people.

I'm referring to the mindset of "we're better than you so we must save you" attitude. It's arrogant, unless others prove me wrong.
If you're referring to my second statement, I'm referring to sin(ful) as synonymous to 'divine law' and not as violation of moral agreement (human law?). Just to get any semantics argument out of the way.

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Okay Puttin, let's test your knowledge here. What do you know about Islam?

It is works based, unlike christianity
it was founded by a man who hated jews, christians, and every other religion
The Koran speaks of killing infidels.
infidels are defined as anyone who will not join or who has left islam
Muhammad was buried and did not rise from the dead. (Even Roman writings speak of some strange occurrences in Jerusalem 2,000 years ago)
Ramadan is an excellent time to stir up hatred and to find non muslims who do eat during the day and thus kill them.
Many muslims practice sharia law.
Sharia law states that four men must witness a rape in order for a woman to defend herself, otherwise she will be killed for sexual immorality. (How do four men allow a rape to go on and not try to kill the men raping her?)
Sharia law states that Sharia law trumps all other laws.
Judges in Michigan are already allowing sharia law in their courtrooms!
The Koran states that Jesus was a wise teacher but that He did not rise from the dead.
The Koran's End-time prophecy is eerily similar to the prophecy found in the Bible, except that it flips the characters around.
the Koran states that Jews are of Satan.

That is just the tip of the iceberg.

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It is works based, unlike christianity
it was founded by a man who hated jews, christians, and every other religion
The Koran speaks of killing infidels.
infidels are defined as anyone who will not join or who has left islam
Muhammad was buried and did not rise from the dead. (Even Roman writings speak of some strange occurrences in Jerusalem 2,000 years ago)
Ramadan is an excellent time to stir up hatred and to find non muslims who do eat during the day and thus kill them.
Many muslims practice sharia law.
Sharia law states that four men must witness a rape in order for a woman to defend herself, otherwise she will be killed for sexual immorality. (How do four men allow a rape to go on and not try to kill the men raping her?)
Sharia law states that Sharia law trumps all other laws.
Judges in Michigan are already allowing sharia law in their courtrooms!
The Koran states that Jesus was a wise teacher but that He did not rise from the dead.
The Koran's End-time prophecy is eerily similar to the prophecy found in the Bible, except that it flips the characters around.
the Koran states that Jews are of Satan.

That is just the tip of the iceberg.

I'm sorry, but show me where does it say that Jews are of Satan in Quran?

There's not much of a discussion here. Each time this subject is brought up, you spew out some random scriptures that prove/mean absolutely nothing to anyone with differing views, and you don't even answer direct questions. Maybe one of these days, you will actually realize that claiming that everybody necessarily has a religion just to comfort your own beliefs doesn't make it true. Until that time, way to sink to a new low.

So when you say i am stupid for doing something I cant show you why I do what I do? That's like telling someone on trial, who killed someone accidentally by crashing their car into another car after their tire blew out after hitting an armadillo, that they cannot tell the court how they hit said armadillo which came out of nowhere.

First of all, I didn't say you were stupid, and second of all that analogy makes no sense in this particular case. Using this example is just another way to place yourself in the victim's shoes and pretend that you're the one who's on trial, which seems to be a leitmotif for you.
My point was that you apparently need to label and classify people. But you're going to tell me that I have a religion, when I know for a fact that I do not, I would certainly like to know, as benji asked you, which religion that is.
Also, I'll contact PETA if you ever hurt an armadillo again.

PETA? They'll probably kill the armadillo if they see it's 'unfit' for the wild.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Koran puttin read was translated by an Islam hater.

It is works based, unlike christianity
it was founded by a man who hated jews, christians, and every other religion
The Koran speaks of killing infidels.
infidels are defined as anyone who will not join or who has left islam
Muhammad was buried and did not rise from the dead. (Even Roman writings speak of some strange occurrences in Jerusalem 2,000 years ago)
Ramadan is an excellent time to stir up hatred and to find non muslims who do eat during the day and thus kill them.
Many muslims practice sharia law.
Sharia law states that four men must witness a rape in order for a woman to defend herself, otherwise she will be killed for sexual immorality. (How do four men allow a rape to go on and not try to kill the men raping her?)
Sharia law states that Sharia law trumps all other laws.
Judges in Michigan are already allowing sharia law in their courtrooms!
The Koran states that Jesus was a wise teacher but that He did not rise from the dead.
The Koran's End-time prophecy is eerily similar to the prophecy found in the Bible, except that it flips the characters around.
the Koran states that Jews are of Satan.

That is just the tip of the iceberg.

I'm sorry, but show me where does it say that Jews are of Satan in Quran?

Al Baiyinah
Surah 98. The Clear Proof, Evidence
98:6 Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures.
Quran 9:73
Prophet, make war on the unbelievers (Hindus) and the hypocrites (Jews) and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their Home: an evil fate.
Qur'an 2:64 "But you [Jews] went back on your word and were lost losers. So become apes, despised and hated. We made an example out of you."
Ishaq:240 "The Jews are a nation of liars.... The Jews are a treacherous, lying, and evil people."
Ishaq:250 "The bestial transformation occurred when Allah turned Jews into apes, despised."
Qur'an 59:14 "They [Jews] will not fight against you save in fortified townships. Their hostility and hatred amongst themselves is strong: you would think they were united, but their hearts they are divided. That is because these [Jews] are a people devoid of sense."
Ishaq:262 "Some Muslims remained friends with the Jews, so Allah sent down a Qur'an forbidding them to take Jews as friends. From their mouths hatred has already shown itself and what they conceal is worse."
Ishaq:254 "We will not remove a Jew from the punishment. The Jew knows the shameful thing that awaits him in the next life because he has wasted the knowledge he has." [2:96]

http://prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Quotes_Jews.Islam

http://www.muslimaccess.com/

There's not much of a discussion here. Each time this subject is brought up, you spew out some random scriptures that prove/mean absolutely nothing to anyone with differing views, and you don't even answer direct questions. Maybe one of these days, you will actually realize that claiming that everybody necessarily has a religion just to comfort your own beliefs doesn't make it true. Until that time, way to sink to a new low.

So when you say i am stupid for doing something I cant show you why I do what I do? That's like telling someone on trial, who killed someone accidentally by crashing their car into another car after their tire blew out after hitting an armadillo, that they cannot tell the court how they hit said armadillo which came out of nowhere.

First of all, I didn't say you were stupid, and second of all that analogy makes no sense in this particular case. Using this example is just another way to place yourself in the victim's shoes and pretend that you're the one who's on trial, which seems to be a leitmotif for you.
My point was that you apparently need to label and classify people. But you're going to tell me that I have a religion, when I know for a fact that I do not, I would certainly like to know, as benji asked you, which religion that is.
Also, I'll contact PETA if you ever hurt an armadillo again.

LOL! I have never hurt an armadillo. But they are a nuisance.

You believe there is no God. That makes you by definition an atheist.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist
a·the·ist (th-st)
n.
One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.

WTF puttin? Now you're just repeating your argument with benji. el badman reiterated what benji was asking of you. Answer it clearly instead of spouting semantics.

http://prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Quotes_Jews.Islam

I wouldn't be surprised if the Koran puttin read was translated by an Islam hater.

As for that muslimaccess site, post links from that specific site that are similar to the quotations you posted. Then maybe, your claim might have an ounce of merit and not make you look like an idiot. From my understanding that site aims to debunk extremist views about Islam, a site for Muslim "wannabes".

http://www.muslimaccess.com/quraan/arabic/098.asp
98:6 Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures.
http://www.muslimaccess.com/quraan/arabic/009.asp
9:73 O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.

http://www.muslimaccess.com/quraan/arabic/002.asp
2:64 But ye turned back thereafter: Had it not been for the Grace and Mercy of Allah to you, ye had surely been among the lost.

2:65 And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath: We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected."

2:66 So We made it an example to their own time and to their posterity, and a lesson to those who fear Allah.

http://www.muslimaccess.com/quraan/arabic/059.asp
59:14 They will not fight you (even) together, except in fortified townships, or from behind walls. Strong is their fighting (spirit) amongst themselves: thou wouldst think they were united, but their hearts are divided: that is because they are a people devoid of wisdom.

It appears that some folks question the validity of Ishaq. So i will take that one off the table.

Do you see how even the muslim wannabes have hatred of Jews and Christians and even other faiths and non faiths within their Quran?