Miami Heat Thread

[NovU]

Good for you, dumberer of Harold and Kuamr. Of course, you come here to enjoy my companionship, just as I do yours.

[Jackal]

omg!1!! leave me alooooneeee !!!11!!

[x-uNdErRaTeD-z]

Hey I don't want to start anything, but ZanShadow I strongly recommend you to just simply start ignoring them. Replying back will only make it worse and you will look even more retarded. I made a mistake falling into imefimef's trap in the Kobe vs LeBron thread for example.

[NovU]

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What a feisty night. This incident was only a mere glimpse of ugliness of this match. The quarter lasted 49 minutes and Lebron and Wade started playing real well after the incident. Lebron obviously looked pretty pissed off till the end of the match. A very physical and intense match overall...

Anyways, Wall's body punch to the Ilgua was totally unnecessary as Ilgua didn't seem to throw elbows on purpose but it was more like Wall ran into the elbow. On slow-mo, elbowing might seem like intentional but it happened in like 0.5 second in real-time speed which seemed rather accidental. Wall the little punk deserves a suspension. As for Ilgua, he almost didn't deserve an ejection(if he didn't get tangled which led to pushing).

[shadowgrin]

about stu and find everything he says relevant and credible

Did you even watch the video? There's no reading required there so watch it again. It won't hurt your brain.
First, it wasn't sure who started the clock early, could be a ref or the "clock guy" on the scorer's table.
Second, he said the proper procedure what should be done in instances like that. For the refs who like to blow their whistle easily just to follow the 'respect for the game' rule, they could have at least followed the procedure in that situation.

Replying back will only make it worse and you will look even more retarded.

not retarded --> retarded --> even more retarded
Other people notice ZanShadow's disability too

ain't u that idiot that constantly gets obsessed by posts from an idiotic Heat fan

Not obsession, more like pity. To quote:

You're the dumbest 30 year old I've ever come across. Ever. And I've endured Coolmac's posts.

[NovU]

about stu and find everything he says relevant and credible

Did you even watch the video? There's no reading required there so watch it again. It won't hurt your brain.
First, it wasn't sure who started the clock early, could be a ref or the "clock guy" on the scorer's table.
Second, he said the proper procedure what should be done in instances like that. For the refs who like to blow their whistle easily just to follow the 'respect for the game' rule, they could have at least followed the procedure in that situation.

Dude, ain't you a bitch for real? Go your 'respect for the game' rule way for all I care. Like I said, (here I repeat again, cuz grin can't read) refs applying common sense was justifiable imo. 2.9 or something on the clock and a player got the shot off well before and made an incredible shot. Penalizing players in such situation would be pretty unfair and stupid, especially for the mistakes caused by not players. If we gonna be strict and stupid, stu and ur absolutely right. Implement zero tolerance policy, no common sense whatsoever(u don't seem to have any anyways). Lastly I still haven't heard any good reason or your own version of why the play should have been nullified cuz I clearly didn't agree with stu's one. Or r u just enjoying throwing me stupid questions cuz I am getting tired of responding u seriously.

Replying back will only make it worse and you will look even more retarded.

not retarded --> retarded --> even more retarded
Other people notice ZanShadow's disability too

Hooray, Harold.

ain't u that idiot that constantly gets obsessed by posts from an idiotic Heat fan

Not obsession, more like pity. To quote:

You're the dumbest 30 year old I've ever come across. Ever. And I've endured Coolmac's posts.

And here's your e-buddy Kumar. Lolz...

[shadowgrin]

Dude, ain't you a bitch for real?

So says the whiny bitch every time the Heat loses.

Like I said, (here I repeat again, cuz grin can't read) refs applying common sense was justifiable imo. 2.9 or something on the clock and a player got the shot off well before and made an incredible shot. Penalizing players in such situation would be pretty unfair and stupid, especially for the mistakes caused by not players.

True, it would be unfair to LeBron and the Heat but you're thinking one-sided. Would it be fair to the Cavs then? Granted none of the players from both teams made the mistake, as it were the officials (refs or time keeper) that made the error, but if you're talking about fairness might as well treat the Cavs with some fairness regarding application of the rules in such an incident.

no common sense whatsoever(u don't seem to have any anyways)

LMAO. I could quote all of your post in this thread when the Heat wins and loses and none of them would make sense. Hilarious.

Lastly I still haven't heard any good reason or your own version of why the play should have been nullified cuz I clearly didn't agree with stu's one

It's not Stu's personal reason. He merely stated the rules which all of the officials agreed upon. Why you hate Stu so much?
As for my reason, just read all of my posts regarding this matter.

r u just enjoying throwing me stupid questions cuz I am getting tired of responding u seriously.

I'm making it as stupid and easy as it is so you can understand.

[NovU]

Nope, it's your one sided brain that is assuming that I'm thinking only one sided for the Heat players. All the bias aside, the referees were being flexible which made perfect sense for that specific situation. Regardless of teams/players, I'd have said same thing that it was a good call to over turn the decision.

So your defence is that it ain't fair for the other team(seriously that's it?)? Maybe not so much? They defended like it was 2.9 seconds, not like the clock already ran out. Common sense? Your beloved gobytherule also clearly states that the clock doesn't start running till the player actually touches the ball. It happened to be the rule that referees decided to respect this time. What procedure were you and Stu crying out for more after 10 minutes of reviewing? Call Stu/Stern for an advice?

For your other responses, *sigh*. You win. Boy ain't you the greatest.

[shadowgrin]

Nope, it's your one sided brain that is assuming that I'm thinking only one sided for the Heat players.

Hey, at least I have a brain. Thanks. Can't say the same thing about you though.

They defended like it was 2.9 seconds, not like the clock already ran out.

Because the defending team wasn't aware of the clock error too?

Your beloved gobytherule also clearly states that the clock doesn't start running till the player actually touches the ball. It happened to be the rule that referees decided to respect this time. What procedure were you and Stu crying out for more after 10 minutes of reviewing? Call Stu/Stern for an advice?

Did you even watch the second video of Stu talking? I know you can't read but don't tell me you can't listen too?
What Stu said was the exact procedure on what to do when an incident of that specific clock error (clock being started early despite the ball not being touched) occurs.
Geez, I thought you were allergic to reading, don't tell me listening is beyond your grasp too?

All the bias aside, the referees were being flexible which made perfect sense for that specific situation.

That's the point. There's a rule for that very specific situation and that is to repeat the inbounds. I would understand it being flexible if there is no specific rule pertaining to that specific situation or at least the rule is subject between a 'gray area', but it's not. It's written, it's set, it's defined. No gray areas or in betweens that needs the "flexibility" of the officials.

[imefimef]

Hey I don't want to start anything, but ZanShadow I strongly recommend you to just simply start ignoring them. Replying back will only make it worse and you will look even more retarded. I made a mistake falling into imefimef's trap in the Kobe vs LeBron thread for example.

Oh here we go again Charlie Sheen. So you do admit you looked even more retarded tho right?

[NovU]

Nope, it's your one sided brain that is assuming that I'm thinking only one sided for the Heat players.

Hey, at least I have a brain. Thanks. Can't say the same thing about you though.

Damn grin, you got a BRAIN! Good 4 u good 4 u. YEY!

Because the defending team wasn't aware of the clock error too?

And yet you claim it wasn't fair for the other team.
Yeah I know I know, because the rule(replaying possession) wasn't applied. If that's your defence, fine. We can just end this discussion here as it's ur opinion of playing fair. I am just not agreeing with you that's all, live with it as you don't seem to be handling it too well.

That's the point. There's a rule for that very specific situation and that is to repeat the inbounds. I would understand it being flexible if there is no specific rule pertaining to that specific situation or at least the rule is subject between a 'gray area', but it's not. It's written, it's set, it's defined. No gray areas or in betweens that needs the "flexibility" of the officials.

Exactly, grin. That's the point. Instead of re-playing the possession which would be extremely unfair and stupid in such situation, the refs went with their own sense and decided that players all played as if there were 2.9 seconds remaining on the shot clock, which was good enough for them to over turn the decision. It's also funny that you are now being a big fan of rules and regulation. Lolz. One sided brain which you are proud of. Good for you, grin. Good for you. At least you have one. Lolz

[shadowgrin]

And yet you claim it wasn't fair for the other team.

Yes. It's unfair for either team. If the shot wasn't counted, it's unfair to the Heat. If the shot was counted, it's unfair to the Cavs.
To cut the crap of the officials erring, follow the specific rule in that situation and give both teams a chance again to shoot and defend.

refs went with their own sense and decided that players all played as if there were 2.9 seconds remaining on the shot clock, which was good enough for them to over turn the decision.

Care to give any solid proof to back this up other than your interpretation of the video/play in question? Any sound recording from that video which states specifically that was their conclusion that "all played as if there were 2.9 seconds"?
What you saw is how you interpreted their actions/decision. Unless the refs in that game said that was what led to the reversal, I'm sticking to what the rule states what should be done in that specific instance and not rely on 'maybe' or 'possibly' of what led to the reversal.
For all I know, refs could be covering their asses (if one of them started the clock early), so they had to reverse it. Of course I don't know that. The only definite thing I know is what the rule states should be done.

It's also funny that you are now being a big fan of rules and regulation.

I guess I'm wrong.
Maybe the league should abolish all of the rules completely and give all the refs the "flexibility" they deserve.
Shot clock violation? Who cares, let the refs decide with their flexibility in handling that.
Player has 6 fouls? Fuck it, let the refs decide for themselves if the player stays or not.
Stepped on the line shooting a three? Doesn't matter, refs will surely handle that.
Or maybe the league should give the refs full authority on how they should personally interpret the rules. It worked well for that 'respect for the game' rule, right?

[Martti.]

I don't get why Saunders picked N'diaye and then Spo picked Magloire to shoot the technical free throws after Wall's, Big Z's and Howard's ejections. Both haven't played recently and are poor foul shooters, why not pick someone who was in the game, like Crawford and House or smtg?

[shadowgrin]

I think the opposing coaches picked the shooters for the other team.

[Martti.]

Yeah that would make sense. Reminds me when Spo picked Gortat to shoot fouls shots against Orlando, even though he was like 8-10 on the season at that point.

The play-by-play guys (Wizards one's) said Saunders picked N'diaye, I guess they messed up.

[shadowgrin]

I'm not really sure on this one but I think the opposing coaches pick two players from the other team on who would shoot the FT, the coach of the team must only pick between the two chosen by the opposing coach.

[NovU]

And yet you claim it wasn't fair for the other team.

Yes. It's unfair for either team. If the shot wasn't counted, it's unfair to the Heat. If the shot was counted, it's unfair to the Cavs.
To cut the crap of the officials erring, follow the specific rule in that situation and give both teams a chance again to shoot and defend.

No, it woubd fair to both sides. They all played under same assumption that shot clock starts once the player touches the ball with 2.9 seconds and that they did. They shouldn't be needing to go back and re=play it.(if so strict on rules, why not re-play the whole frigging game if there was any mistakes by refs) If Lebron missed the shot, this issue wouldn't even have arised as a problem. But then that he did make, it could have gone either way and I am just happy with the way it went.

Care to give any solid proof to back this up other than your interpretation of the video/play in question? Any sound recording from that video which states specifically that was their conclusion that "all played as if there were 2.9 seconds"?

Don't really need to. Why bother nitpicking the case as the proof is the video itself. Seemed like the refs applied their common sense to the case which most of people found reasonable.

For all I know, refs could be covering their asses (if one of them started the clock early), so they had to reverse it. Of course I don't know that. The only definite thing I know is what the rule states should be done.

I doubt it. Do the refs control the shot clock? I thought there was a shot clock guy seperately. I doubt the league would pursue this matter and punish the refs anyways. General perception by public actually seem to approve what they did.

I guess I'm wrong.
Maybe the league should abolish all of the rules completely and give all the refs the "flexibility" they deserve.
Shot clock violation? Who cares, let the refs decide with their flexibility in handling that.
Player has 6 fouls? Fuck it, let the refs decide for themselves if the player stays or not.
Stepped on the line shooting a three? Doesn't matter, refs will surely handle that.
Or maybe the league should give the refs full authority on how they should personally interpret the rules. It worked well for that 'respect for the game' rule, right?

lolz... i saw this coming. it's grin after all.

[shadowgrin]

If Lebron missed the shot, this issue wouldn't even have arised as a problem.

No, it would still be a problem if that's the case because it's unfair to the Heat of having the clock error against them. Minor or not, it's still a problem.

Seemed like the refs applied their common sense to the case which most of people found reasonable...
...General perception by public actually seem to approve what they did...

If most people found it reasonable to jump off a cliff, would you do it too? Just because a 'million' people think it's right doesn't mean it is.

I doubt it. Do the refs control the shot clock? I thought there was a shot clock guy seperately. I doubt the league would pursue this matter and punish the refs anyways.

iirc the refs can also start the shot clock. There have been instances in the past of false starts by the time keeper of the home teams which led to the league enabling the refs to automatically start the clock remotely and the league assigning its own time keepers now instead of the home teams. The extent to which that rule is properly implemented, I don't know.
League punishing it's own refs? That's crazy talk! They would never! Seriously, I can't recall the league punishing the refs for mistakes. Reprimand maybe, but no punish.

lolz... i saw this coming

Wow, you should be given a medal, Nostradamus!

[benji]

I'm not really sure on this one but I think the opposing coaches pick two players from the other team on who would shoot the FT, the coach of the team must only pick between the two chosen by the opposing coach.

The opposing coach picks the shooter from the other teams bench.

The best example I remember is this:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/box ... 60SAC.html

KG flagrants Peeler who responds by elbowing him in the face. So Flip Saunders thinks, hey, how about I pick this 60% FT shooter who's played in 400 total minutes in his career and 9 minutes in these playoffs. Jabari Smith, of course, hits both of the free throws and doesn't play again in the series.

iirc the refs can also start the shot clock.

They have a control on their belt that does this. It's supposed to stop/start both clocks at the same time, but this doesn't always work properly.

Seriously, I can't recall the league punishing the refs for mistakes. Reprimand maybe, but no punish.

They do it privately and the fines/punishments/etc. are not disclosed. Generally it results in not being able to do playoff games or getting fewer games scheduled which works like a fine as the refs are mostly paid per game.

Also, http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2840587
http://www.nba.com/nba_news/mott_suspended_070112.html

[imefimef]

OMG
Major News Alert!
I went to the Heat Wolves game and man it was FUN FUN FUN (although it was on friday, the day before saturday and the day after thursday, i don't remember to bump Rebecca Black in the car, i was too preoccupied thinking of which seat i would take). It was my first NBA game and man it felt so surreal. Me and my friend got pretty good seats too, we were on the first section but unfortunately it was quite a distance from the actual court so i didn't bother to run on the court and hug LeBron like i planned, the guards would have interrupted me before i got there. And i have to say after years and years of watching him on TV and playing video games with him, i have to say, they don't do him justice. Oh and Dwade and Bosh were there too.

EDIT: Plus i got to see the heat get back on the bus, but we had to wait a long ass time in the cold because some dumbass wanted to jump the barriers which resulted in him getting chocked the hell out by at least 12 guards. I was so pissed because i got to record some super blurry footage of Mario Chalmers, Big Z, Haslem but my freaking Mytouch Slide battery died on me. To this moment, this is the only time i ever cursed at my phone, i was really ticked off.

[benji]

How many cans of vegetables did you buy?

[NovU]

Damn. Veges and tickets. Double win! And Heat winz, triple win.

[imefimef]

How many cans of vegetables did you buy?

We got there kinda late. They ran out already.

[Martti.]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/21 ... r_Playoffs

[Andrew]

Yeah, that is baffling to say the least. At least they'd be cutting loose someone who hasn't been able to crack the rotation this year but they might as well give Pittman a run if they want another big body out there.