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Great article on Rap

Postby Matt on Thu Apr 08, 2004 12:50 am

How ironic that on the seventh anniversary of rapper Notorious B.I.G.'s death, we learn that police are conducting their own little COINTELPRO on hip-hop artists who increasingly live and party in Miami and Miami Beach, supposedly to prevent the kinds of turf battles that killed Biggie and fellow rap icon Tupac Shakur.
Biggie and Tupac fueded for over a year on wax, via the media and through surrogates, and died six months apart in September, 1996 (Tupac) and March 9, 1997 (Biggie). They were arguably the best rap artists ever (with all due respect to Run DMC), and the epitome of what hip-hop used to be: utterly original, ironic and real. Their beef was about lyrics, respect and the sometimes violent trajectory of African-American manhood.

Fast forward to today, when in the guise of preventing a repeat of their fates, police are cracking down on a hip-hop industry that has become nothing if not corporate, predictable, and safe. Cops claim that the artists might be gang members. You're kidding, right? Most of these guys live in the Hamptons. Do we really believe party MC's like Chingy and Nelly are gonna shoot it out poolside at the Delano?

Hold onto your nightsticks, officers. The worst that will likely happen when rappers and their crews come to town will be loud parties, Bentleys over the speed limit, big dry-cleaning bills to get the Grey Goose off a brotha's Roberto Cavalli, and possibly some lost or stolen bling.

Unfortunately for those of us who love it, hip-hop has become, in a word, boring. The music that was so innovative in the '80s and '90s has become as derivative as Big and 'Pac were original, and as phony as Justin Timberlake.

Even the so-called battles, between 50 Cent and Ja Rule, or between Eminem and -- is it still Moby, or has Marshall moved on? -- seem calculated more for record sales than mix-tape supremacy. The best battle in the last five years, between Nas and Jay Z, was the exception in an industry that otherwise has become, as Jay Z himself recently said, ''corny'' and not just soft, but ``softtttttt.''

Worse, hip-hop seems to have ceded the political ground seized by groups like Public Enemy, as well as the cultural criticism and complex storytelling of acts like De La Soul and A Tribe Called Quest. If the Miami P.D. wants to save the artists from themselves, they should work with the FCC and fine rappers 25 cents-per-legal download every time they use the ''N'' word, call a woman a ''ho'' or lavish excessive praise on a fashion designer.

Roaming the sidelines

Facing arguably the most important election in my lifetime, it's disappointing to see hip-hop on the sidelines. Where are the lyrics about the social and political realities facing America -- and not just black America, since rap has now officially left the 'hood and entered the 'burbs? Who's rapping about the young people fighting and dying in Iraq and Afghanistan and now deployed to Haiti, while the rest of us fuss over our iPods and Playstations? Anybody care to address the ravages of divorce, illegitimacy and incarceration in the black community? Who is our modern-day Tupac? Surely it's not over-worshipped Eminem, who spends most of his time talking about his mama.

To his credit, rap's godfather, Russell Simmons, is doing his part to keep the music politically relevant. His and Ben Chavis' Hip-Hop Summit Action Network is recruiting rappers to help register young voters. Chuck D will soon have his own talk show on the liberal Air America radio network. And there are still innovative artists in the game: Outkast, The Nappy Roots, Nas, Jay Z (who's retiring), Redman, Method Man and others. But they are becoming rare.

Hip-hop shouldn't be all about cash, cars, sex and jewelry. It's better than that. As for the police: let MTV watch what rappers do in their spare time. I'm more concerned about what they do on the job.

http://www.rapnewsdirect.com/News/2004/ ... oft.N.Rel/

i fully agree on this......where are the rappers that rap out real shit....politics, cultural issues, wars, poverty, racism......i don't care about somebody's jewelry or 20 inch rims
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Postby Boyk on Thu Apr 08, 2004 1:04 am

Clap Clap!!
Great Read, and it was the stone cold truth!

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Postby GloveGuy on Thu Apr 08, 2004 4:33 am

From the words of the great mainstream rapper, Chingy: "I like that, I like that, I like that."

Seriously, that was a great read. Thank God for Kanye West and Jay-Z. I would hate to see the top rap songs in America be by guys like J-Kwon, Chingy, and Sean Paul.
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Postby Filip on Thu Apr 08, 2004 5:45 am

I agree, though I think it's awsome to listen to songs like "Yeah", "Get Low" and "Saltchecker" in the car.
Different music fits for different situations I guess.

Bought Kanye West album today btw. I love it, it's quite original stuff since the lyrics it's not about "me being the best, i'll fuck you up ya come into my hood" or "I got 20 inch rims on my lowrider bitchmagnet" stuff.

Anyway, Wu-Tang is rapping out about real shit.
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Re: Great article on Rap

Postby Dramacydal on Thu Apr 08, 2004 8:38 am

good read (Y)

stack42 wrote:where are the rappers that rap out real shit....politics, cultural issues, wars, poverty, racism......


OUTLAWZ (the 1st ones who come to my mind and also the best of today)
and yeah, thank god there are still artists like them, Talib Kweli, Napoleon, NAS, etc.
todays rap is not all bad, you just have to find the rite artists and you sure wont find them in the charts, lol
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Re: Great article on Rap

Postby Ruff Ryder on Thu Apr 08, 2004 10:17 am

Dramacydal wrote:good read (Y)

stack42 wrote:where are the rappers that rap out real shit....politics, cultural issues, wars, poverty, racism......


OUTLAWZ (the 1st ones who come to my mind and also the best of today)
and yeah, thank god there are still artists like them, Talib Kweli, Napoleon, NAS, etc.
todays rap is not all bad, you just have to find the rite artists and you sure wont find them in the charts, lol


(Y) I like the rap where they actually disccuss real issues not issues Slam Harder said ""me being the best, i'll fuck you up ya come into my hood" or "I got 20 inch rims on my lowrider bitchmagnet". Also, Nappy Roots and Black-Eye Peas.

Talib is cool, Kanye too. I have KanYe's cd and I like the song "Two Words" with Freeway and Mos Def.

Good article though. Rap is taking a turn for the worse, with guys like Justin Timberlake. How does he pass as rap anyway? These rap battles and stuff are stupid. It seems as though they are pointless and the only disses they release are underground. They dont fight or anything. I cant even see why some guys cant see eye to eye. Its not like Nas shot Jay-Z's mom or anything.
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Postby Dramacydal on Thu Apr 08, 2004 7:53 pm

talkin bout rap and politics Talib Kweli's 'The Proud' is the work of a genius, this song is so fuckin amazing, for everyone who complains about todays rap this is a must listen, its a bit old though (from 2001/02 i think)

EDIT: also 'Too Late' by Kweli describes todays situation of rap very well:
nowadays rap artists comin half-hearted, commercial like pop, underground like black market
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Postby Matt on Fri Apr 09, 2004 12:13 am

ive heard Hip-Hop being described as Hip-Pop
all these 'rappers' today are so commercial, 90% of them are anyway. Every videoclip has booty in it, nice to look at but not necessary. Fake beefs are really weak, just a publicity stunt

i like Nappy Roots- at least they rap bout chicken instead of guns
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Postby GloveGuy on Fri Apr 09, 2004 6:17 am

Dramacydal wrote:talkin bout rap and politics Talib Kweli's 'The Proud' is the work of a genius, this song is so fuckin amazing, for everyone who complains about todays rap this is a must listen, its a bit old though (from 2001/02 i think)

EDIT: also 'Too Late' by Kweli describes todays situation of rap very well:
nowadays rap artists comin half-hearted, commercial like pop, underground like black market


"The Proud" is definitely my favorite track on Quality. That song and "Where Do We Go" tell it like it is. In "The Proud", Talib talks about Timothy McVeigh, white cops, and 9/11. When was the last time we heard about anything remotely close to this? This guy and Nas are the two closest rappers to Tupac.
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Postby Dramacydal on Fri Apr 09, 2004 6:28 am

i think Kweli is closer to Pac than NAS is. his lyrics are simply amazing, hes a genius and imo todays best solo rap artist. hes got the same love for rap as Pac had and thats what makes his songs so special.
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Postby Colin on Fri Apr 09, 2004 12:06 pm

Back during Spring break I was in Miami and saw the article printed for the first time in whatever newspaper it was (yea I'm 15 and read the paper, not just the comics and the sports page)

stack42 wrote:ive heard Hip-Hop being described as Hip-Pop


There's others too, there's Britney's music 'Brit-hop'
Of course Hip-pop
hip-not

The list goes on.


Today's artists are becoming MC's because of what they see on MTV and for all the wrong reasons. Some of these songs are good, and some of these people have genuine talent. They just have no idea what to rap about. Fabolous is a great example of this. I really like his flow and style, but the guy can't be original at all. I have the album Street Dreams and take away the production all the songs could easily be made into one continuous song about the same thing. Same thing with 50 Cent. His song How to Rob is one of my favourite songs, it's original and funny, and he is rapping well. But all this trying to get popular with the wiggers in the 'burbs that wear headbands and jerseys and have the latest Air Jordans by rapping about getting on shot on nearly every song. Except for '21 Questions' because 50 can't forget about the ladies. :roll:

I'm just happy that Nas is back in the studio and Jay-Z is retiring.

One comment about Jay-Z, guy can make words rhyme, but can't keep on topic. Some of the words aren't even about the subject. Some of the words aren't words. For example, this line is from that Brush your shoulders off, song or whatever it's actually called. I listen to it because I love the Timbaland production.

N**** London, Japan and I'm straight off the block [yea London and Japan, ghetto indedd
Like a running back back get it man I'm straight off the block {and that has nothing to do with the last line, it just rhymes]
I can run it back n**** cause I'm straight with the Roc [Is he suggesting he can return kicks because he's part of Roc-a-fella?]

Dude doesn't make any sense. Sure that line sounds good on the track if you're not really listening, but dang.
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Postby Matt on Fri Apr 09, 2004 7:52 pm

yeah Jay Z is all over the place
50 is such a big PI but he makes 21 Questions & I wanna ride with you (ft Joe), a bit of a contradiction????? Fake rap is annoying, it's all egotistical crap.....if everyone's the best then who's the worst?
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