Marion to Mavs?

And now Marion is really in Dallas.

Toronto's Shawn Marion will go to the Dallas Mavericks for a five-year, $40 million contract in part of a sign-and-trade deal that the two teams have been working on, reports TNT's David Aldridge. The deal came after the Memphis Grizzlies agreed to take Dallas guard Jerry Stackhouse from the Mavericks to help facilitate the deal, Grizzlies owner Michael Heisley said Wednesday night.

Stackhouse has a $7 million contract for the upcoming season, but only $2 million of it is guaranteed, provided the team that acquires him waives him by Aug. 10. So Memphis only would be on the hook for $2 million next season, and would only give Dallas a draft pick in return for Stackhouse.

Source: http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/d ... index.html

Not really, Devin was on the up & coming and everyone including Mark Cuban knew that, he just figured that at that moment Kidd was better and bringing him in they'd have a bigger shot at winning the title.

I recall a lot of people on the forums wondering what in heavens name Cuban was thinking when he pulled that trade off. Being a fan is okay, but turning a blind eye is another thing.

I'm not talking about the Kidd trade, I'm talking about how the Mavs didn't exactly make an gregarious mistake in letting Nash walk.

I was breaking stuff when I first heard the players involved in the Kidd deal. Then I rejoiced when Deavean George blocked the trade. Then I fell into a torpor when they managed to change it around. It's still a horrible deal unless they win a championship, but that applies to anything.


And now that the deal may finally be through, I have to say that the Mavs have really gotten some benefit from these economic times.

I'm having a lollerpalooza reading some of the posts made by Raptor fans at Real GM. I know that re-obtaining the MLE was a fantastic move, but some of the praise that was directed towards guys like Devean George and Antoine Wright (who I actually love and would make him average a quadruple double in NBA Live if I could) has me scratching my head.

I never thought you would turn down on the Rockets getred12, you let me down.

I didn't let you down. I'm still a die-hard Rockets fan. I just said that because of the deal. Just wait when I reach my 500th post, I'll change my avatar. It's kinda going to be a surprise.

I'm not talking about the Kidd trade, I'm talking about how the Mavs didn't exactly make an gregarious mistake in letting Nash walk.

I was breaking stuff when I first heard the players involved in the Kidd deal. Then I rejoiced when Deavean George blocked the trade. Then I fell into a torpor when they managed to change it around. It's still a horrible deal unless they win a championship, but that applies to anything.


And now that the deal may finally be through, I have to say that the Mavs have really gotten some benefit from these economic times.

Oh, you were talking about the Nash walk. My apologies, I thought you were referring to the Harris deal. Sorry.

I didn't let you down. I'm still a die-hard Rockets fan. I just said that because of the deal. Just wait when I reach my 500th post, I'll change my avatar. It's kinda going to be a surprise.

OK, I'll wait and see your new avatar when you reach 500th post. That also gives you a custom title. Just dont spam your way there.

I'm having a lollerpalooza reading some of the posts made by Raptor fans at Real GM. I know that re-obtaining the MLE was a fantastic move, but some of the praise that was directed towards guys like Devean George and Antoine Wright (who I actually love and would make him average a quadruple double in NBA Live if I could) has me scratching my head.

No kidding. Just last week I read a thread where some actually believed Reddick to be better than Delfino .

Anyways, this gives BC the money to at least sign ONE competent bench player .

Hat-tip to Mavs Moneyball.

Unfortunately, I'm a realist and also a mild pessimist. I'd obviously be putting the Lakers, Cavs, and Celtics (all really bad matchups with the type of offenses the Mavs can't really defend and lockdown defense), over the Mavs. Same with the Nuggets (who strangely, are getting dropped behind the Spurs even though they came very close to reaching the Finals).

I'm willing to put them on an even keel with the Magic (who they played to a 1-1 split), the Spurs (always 50-50, don't deny it) and the Blazers.

OK, I'll wait and see your new avatar when you reach 500th post. That also gives you a custom title. Just dont spam your way there.

I won't do spamming.

Marion brings the Mavs athleticism (he still has it), rebounding and D, things that really needed. They have scorers and shooters .. but athelticism was lacking.
Also Marion is a player who really profits more from Kidd than Nowitzki for example. Marion cant create his own shot very well but likes to cut and catch alley oops and can hit the three when he is open.

Good acquisiton

I am torn about this signing. I am happy that the Mavs get great defender but if Bass go what will happen to their bench? Who will be Dirk backup then?

Humphries probably.

This deal has just got more complicated.

Marion-to-Mavs deal may include 4 teams
By David Aldridge, TNT Analyst
Posted Jul 9 2009 9:48AM

An NBA offseason that was supposed to be dull and boring has been anything but.

The Dallas Mavericks continued to revamp their team Wednesday evening, formally acquiring forward Shawn Marion from the Toronto Raptors in a multi-team deal that was still working toward finalization Thursday morning. As first reported on NBA-TV's "Game Time," Marion agreed to a five-year deal that will pay him $40 million, which was possible only with the help of the Memphis Grizzlies' taking on the contract of Dallas guard Jerry Stackhouse.

But the deal became even bigger early Thursday morning, with changes made to the deal late Wednesday night that could allow Toronto not only to acquire forward Hedo Turkoglu, but keep one or two of the players the Raptors were expected to renounce in order to get the 30-year-old forward from Orlando.

The key to the deal working was Memphis agreeing to take Stackhouse's $7 million contract, which Grizzlies owner Michael Heisley decided to do on Wednesday after Toronto and Dallas could not convince other teams with cap room, such as Oklahoma City, to get involved in a potential trade.

The final version of the deal, which was being worked out Thursday morning and was subject to league approval, would be a double sign-and-trade deal, with the Orlando Magic agreeing to sign Turkoglu to a contract and then trade him to Toronto, with the Raptors doing the same with Marion, then dealing him to Dallas. Stackhouse's $7 million contract would be sent to Memphis, with the Grizzlies planning to waive him because only $2 million of that contract is guaranteed for next season. Memphis would also get guard Quincy Douby from Toronto.

The Grizzlies would only send forward Greg Buckner to Dallas for Stackhouse. That would create a trade exception that the Mavericks would use to absorb Marion's new contract. That's the only way Dallas could give Marion the deal he was seeking, because the Mavericks have already committed their full mid-level exception, for five years and more than $33 million, to Magic free agent forward Marcin Gortat in an offer sheet. (That is a separate deal that should not impact the Marion-Turkoglu trade. Orlando is not expected to match the offer for Gortat, but Orlando was not expected to agree to a sign and trade for Turkoglu; general manager Otis Smith had insisted just days ago that he would not participate in such an arrangement.)

Reserve forward Kris Humprhies would go from Toronto to Dallas along with Marion. The Mavericks would then send guard Antoine Wright to Toronto. The Raptors would receive veteran forward Devean George and guard Antoine Wright from Dallas, along with Turkoglu from Orlando. Wright ($1.8 million next season) and George ($1.6 million) are both in the final years of their respective deals, but are expected to be kept by Toronto.

Initially, Toronto could not take on additional contracts, because doing so would eat into the cap room the team had set aside to give Turkoglu his five-year, $53 million deal. But because Turkoglu is now technically coming in a trade instead of a free agent signing, the Raptors now can maintain their "Larry Bird" rights to two of their key free agents, guards Carlos Delfino and Anthony Parker, instead of having to renounce their rightst to them, along with maintaining their own mid-level exception.

The Raptors were hopeful Thursday that they can re-sign either Delfino or Parker, and perhaps even both, although the Cleveland Plain Dealer reported Thursday that Parker had committed to a deal with the Cavaliers. Toronto could then use the mid-level to sign another free agent, such as Denver forward Linas Kleiza or Indiana guard Jarrett Jack, though it would appear difficult to sign another guard if they keep Delfino or Parker, along with Wright.

If Toronto could keep Delfino or Parker, it would be a boon, and help the Raptors immensely in their efforts to keep All-Star forward Chris Bosh, who can become an unrestricted free agent next summer. Adding Turkoglu, along with first-round pick DeMar DeRozan, and holding on to most of the team's existing depth would honor the promise of adding more talent around Bosh, who was on his own many times last season while then-Raptors center Jermaine O'Neal was injured or ineffective.

The Mavericks would add a significant piece in Marion, who would allow Dallas to play small or big depending on the opponent. Marion, along with forwards Dirk Nowitzki and Josh Howard, would form a potentially dynamic trio. With re-signing guard Jason Kidd earlier this week, and the signing of free agent defensive stopper Quinton Ross, the Mavericks would be more competitive in the Western Conference.

Orlando would receive a large trade exception for agreeing to do a sign-and-trade with Turkoglu instead of letting him walk. And the Grizzlies would get enough money to cover Stackhouse's $2 million guarantee that it might actually be a profitable deal for them.

Source: http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/d ... index.html


Looks like every team involved will benefit from this deal, so great for them.

Good job Colangelo...Raptors get two somewhat serviceable backups (well Wright is somewhat serviceable backup, George is meh), managed to keep our MLE, and moved a redundant Humphries if Mensah-Bonsu is resigned. Turkoglu now a sign and trade as opposed to just straight up sign.

Colangelo also said that he has 3 roster spots to fill and he's been getting a ton of phone calls from MLE-level guys.

I believe that Kleiza/Delfino will take up almost all of the MLE and Rasho was rumoured to head to the Raptors as well for the vet's minimum. I would assume that would round out the three spots that Toronto wants to fill.

why wouldnt orlando just trade turk for marion?!

I was thinking of that, imagine they re-sign their respective guys and one of the teams just backs out. A big eff you to the whole thing.

Wow folks would be pissed off big time.

why wouldnt orlando just trade turk for marion?!

Salaries.

I was thinking of that, imagine they re-sign their respective guys and one of the teams just backs out. A big eff you to the whole thing.

Wow folks would be pissed off big time.

77. Can a team sign a player using the sign-and-trade rule and then say, "Ha ha, we fooled you. We're not trading you!"?

No. A sign-and-trade is treated like a single, atomic transaction, not two separate transactions between which one party can change its mind. The sign-and-trade clause makes the contract invalid if a trade to the specified team does not take place within 48 hours.

Takes the whole fun out of screwing the opponent.

This is the league that gives technicals for celebrating too hard.

The NBA hates fun.

This is true, should've known better.

Sorry NBA.

I still think it's a steal for the Mavericks, at least on paper. Just how well it works out on the court remains to be seen but they've cleared a logjam of swingmen at the same time and while Bass appears to be out the door, the Magic supposedly aren't matching Gortat's offer sheet so he'll slide into that role. It hasn't worked out too badly for the Mavs at all.

We also got Australian Nathan Jawai, the only player in the NBA to have a -EFF rating, what a steal!!!!!

You would prefer Collins (actually both of them) instead of Jawai?

We also got Australian Nathan Jawai, the only player in the NBA to have a -EFF rating, what a steal!!!!!

He only played like 19 minutes during the regular season, so it's too early to tell. He is very raw though. He's naturally a throw-in, but you never know, the team may get some use out of him at some point.