Marion Happy To Be Free Of Heat's "Boring Style"

I dont think the chances of the Raptors of even making to the playoffs this year is any good. I'd rather watch some quick paced games, where teams could put up 100+ points. Teams like the Raptors suffer in the half court set, why not change their style and entertain the crowd while they lose(they may even manage a few wins)? The Raptors will probably be a losing team this season anyways, so i agree with Fancypants McGee. But if the Raptors are actually a playoff team then things would be different, i would stick with the boring but effective half court style.

if the lakers win the 'ship, would that make you hate yourself less?
if it does then I hope the lakers will win.

I'm glad you concluded for me that I hate myself, thanks.

By the way, I also very much enjoy watching my team play.

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I dont think the chances of the Raptors of even making to the playoffs this year is any good. But if the Raptors are actually a playoff team then things would be different, i would stick with the boring but effective half court style.

yup.

I wonder what Colangelo is thinking right now....

**Acts like Colangelo**
Let's get rid of Chris Bosh to the Knicks since LeBron is going there, and bomb these two seasons coming up to become a international team. Let's have it like a Phoenix Suns formula and bring Steve Nash and Amar'e Stoudamire. Bring in other players that'll like to run & shoot. Including not play defense.


This is going to be another Suns team in the making. Exciting to watch, but can never go deep in the playoffs.

I'm ashamed to have the Raptor fan consensus represented in this forum (or this thread rather) by a down syndrome idiot who doesn't know what hes talking about. Then again, I should feel the same sympathy for any intelligible Heat fan judging by the posts made in this thread...

Anyway, I honestly expected an answer like this from Marion because I don't expect him to be playing in Toronto for more than 30 games anyway. I do feel that the fact that so called Raptor "analysts" (that stupid Sherm guy, Matt Devlin, etc.) continue to shove that "oh the Raptors are a better run and gun team with Shawn Marion now" gunk down the average Raptor fan's throat that Marion had to answer the same question for the billionth time and was misquoted a bit I guess.

The Raptors have been a wannabe run and gun team forever now it seems. Every off-season there's the one or two newspaper articles chronicling how the Raptors are able to get up and run when clearly they're god awful at it.

If you want entertainment value: just watch And1..oh and then watch the "pro entertaining" guys get beat by random scrub teams in each city.

The truth is: Most people do watch their favorite team because to them: they are the most entertaining. It is all a matter of taste. Do i like watching the spurs play? No. But alot of people would disagree with me.

As far as the happiness from winning a championship: let people have their fun and feel like they did something. Theres no harm in it. Also: usually when your team wins the championship the next year gets more games televised. Which means you get more hours of them entertaining you without extra work. You may also attract more entertaining players, coachs, and get more media coverage. Winning a championship is not necessarily the only thing: but there are lots of added benefits to doing so which would result in making fans "happy".

fully agree with you! every true fan enjoy just watching his team play, and there is no bigger pleasure than seeing them winning! if someone thinks otherwise, so he isn't a real fan of a team!

Nothing wrong with being passionate about one team in particular. I guess it depends just how much you invest in a team's success, there are some who do take it way too far but one of the joys of spectator sports is being able to have favourite teams/players and finding enjoyment in their success. If nothing else, it's harmless escapism. Sport is entertaining in a lot of different ways and supporting a team and seeing them win is just one of them. Again, nothing wrong with it and it's certainly "normal" enough, if there is such a thing as normal in this world of ours.

I'm ashamed to have the Raptor fan consensus represented in this forum (or this thread rather) by a down syndrome idiot who doesn't know what hes talking about. Then again, I should feel the same sympathy for any intelligible Heat fan judging by the posts made in this thread...

Anyway, I honestly expected an answer like this from Marion because I don't expect him to be playing in Toronto for more than 30 games anyway. I do feel that the fact that so called Raptor "analysts" (that stupid Sherm guy, Matt Devlin, etc.) continue to shove that "oh the Raptors are a better run and gun team with Shawn Marion now" gunk down the average Raptor fan's throat that Marion had to answer the same question for the billionth time and was misquoted a bit I guess.

The Raptors have been a wannabe run and gun team forever now it seems. Every off-season there's the one or two newspaper articles chronicling how the Raptors are able to get up and run when clearly they're god awful at it.

you sound like you have a lot of people that love you.

I don't consider the raptors a run and gun team. or a half court team. they are something in between depending on who they have on the field. their offense is usually give the ball to whoever thinks he's got the hot hand. and if that person really does have the hot hand, they are capable of giving teams a run for their money or even winning.
they don't seem to have a consistent style of play it seems.

fully agree with you! every true fan enjoy just watching his team play, and there is no bigger pleasure than seeing them winning! if someone thinks otherwise, so he isn't a real fan of a team!

things I love.
1. women.
2. food.
3. games.
4. Fancypants McGee.
5. Football. (not the american kind which ironically is played with the hands 95% of the game)

and basketball? it's something to kill time with. does that mean I am not a real fan? who cares. I don't see the importance of that definition. I like watching because it's better than shitty tv shows. and I needed to get to know the players a bit so I can have more fun playing nba 2k9. I don't overdose on my emotions when it comes to nba though.

you sound like you have a lot of people that love you.

Oh believe me, I do. You still don't sound like you have no idea what you're talking about though, but you did just admit that you're not someone who would have something credible to say anyway.

you sound like you have a lot of people that love you.

Oh believe me, I do. You still don't sound like you have no idea what you're talking about though, but you did just admit that you're not someone who would have something credible to say anyway.

I don't believe you.

you used a double negative, so you actually said you think I know what I am talking about. thanks.
I did? must have missed that then.

I'm ashamed to have the Raptor fan consensus represented in this forum (or this thread rather) by a down syndrome idiot who doesn't know what hes talking about. Then again, I should feel the same sympathy for any intelligible Heat fan judging by the posts made in this thread...

Anyway, I honestly expected an answer like this from Marion because I don't expect him to be playing in Toronto for more than 30 games anyway. I do feel that the fact that so called Raptor "analysts" (that stupid Sherm guy, Matt Devlin, etc.) continue to shove that "oh the Raptors are a better run and gun team with Shawn Marion now" gunk down the average Raptor fan's throat that Marion had to answer the same question for the billionth time and was misquoted a bit I guess.

The Raptors have been a wannabe run and gun team forever now it seems. Every off-season there's the one or two newspaper articles chronicling how the Raptors are able to get up and run when clearly they're god awful at it.

you sound like you have a lot of people that love you.

I don't consider the raptors a run and gun team. or a half court team. they are something in between depending on who they have on the field. their offense is usually give the ball to whoever thinks he's got the hot hand. and if that person really does have the hot hand, they are capable of giving teams a run for their money or even winning.
they don't seem to have a consistent style of play it seems.

fully agree with you! every true fan enjoy just watching his team play, and there is no bigger pleasure than seeing them winning! if someone thinks otherwise, so he isn't a real fan of a team!

things I love.
1. women.
2. food.
3. games.
4. Fancypants McGee.
5. Football. (not the american kind which ironically is played with the hands 95% of the game)

and basketball? it's something to kill time with. does that mean I am not a real fan? who cares. I don't see the importance of that definition. I like watching because it's better than shitty tv shows. and I needed to get to know the players a bit so I can have more fun playing nba 2k9. I don't overdose on my emotions when it comes to nba though.

This is why the ACC is so dead everytime I watch the game or I watch the Raps.
I went to watch the Raptors a couple of times and I felt weird yelling or cheering because everyone else was too quiet.
There are too many casual fans that just get some tickets and don't really give a crap.

it doesn't help that the fans know the players they are supposed to be cheering for are multi millonairs.

it doesn't help that the fans know the players they are supposed to be cheering for are multi millonairs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qo3h-NmXDU

These guys are cheering for people making more money than them.

thinking you are too cool to cheer for your team is a cultural thing then?

Wow, there is a whole lot of stupid in this thread. I don't agree entirely with what Fancy is saying, but his words make a lot more sense then what some of the other posters are saying.

To the guy that is obsessed with the "Miami Heat". If the Heat did a full-team trade with another team, completely switching rosters, what team would you cheer for? Miami right? That sounds more like you're supporting a CITY rather then a TEAM. I watch the teams I watch and cheer for the players I cheer because of how they play not because they just happen to be located in the city I was born in. That's stupid. Why would you get so emotional over something you had no control over? Did you choose what city you were going to be brought up? No? Are you one of the owners of the particular team? No? If your city's team wins the championship, do you get anything out of it? No?

Oh... Okay.

That's stupid. Why would you get so emotional over something you had no control over? Did you choose what city you were going to be brought up? No? Are you one of the owners of the particular team? No? If your city's team wins the championship, do you get anything out of it? No?

Oh... Okay.

1. Never ever doubt the stupidity of the average person. You will be much amazed with everyday silliness. People get so emotionally invested for alot of reasons, but yes in the grand scheme of things I agree it is stupid.
2. Alot of people do not pull for their hometown team. The closest NBA team to me is the Bobcats and while I like a few of their players: i dont pull for them. Hell i dont even have an "NBA" team. But for college I pull for Illinois and i was only there for about 1/6 of my life.
3. Your city winning a championship as silly as this sounds helps keep jobs there. If you're a perennial loser, your team will eventually move: you lose security, vendor, merchandise...it takes alot of people to run a pro event. Also other things like restaurants bars etc. benefit greatly from the teams presence. Just 2 cents here: take it or leave it

That's stupid. Why would you get so emotional over something you had no control over? Did you choose what city you were going to be brought up? No? Are you one of the owners of the particular team? No? If your city's team wins the championship, do you get anything out of it? No?

Oh... Okay.

3. Your city winning a championship as silly as this sounds helps keep jobs there. If you're a perennial loser, your team will eventually move: you lose security, vendor, merchandise...it takes alot of people to run a pro event. Also other things like restaurants bars etc. benefit greatly from the teams presence. Just 2 cents here: take it or leave it

exactly, but don't bother, only a few people here understand that, other just want to have a "show" and don't care about winning!

Going to split my reply into numbered sections, not being a smartass, just so it's easier to see what part I'm referring too.

1. True.
2. Supporting a college team is a lot different then supporting an NBA team for obvious reasons, but I'm sure you already know that.
3. Oh yeah, I'll agree with that, for sure. But it's highly unlikely that this has anything to do with why people cheer for their home team.

rofl... Just read Diddy's reply.

So when you're cheering for the Heat, you're cheering for the people that work at the arena?

diddy is my favorite poster along with nba 2k9's father. "gimme a shut up bitch". hahaha.

man, i so tired talking with dorks...

Just say Heat fans are rather more passionate than usual. : ) And if you ask me why, why do you care. People can love any team/player for millions of different reasons.

2. Supporting a college team is a lot different then supporting an NBA team for obvious reasons, but I'm sure you already know that.
3. Oh yeah, I'll agree with that, for sure. But it's highly unlikely that this has anything to do with why people cheer for their home team.

Since the argument was about hometown teams: alot of people do pull for their local colleges because their father did...and their fathers father...and etc. I feel as if an NBA team dependent on the fan can mean just as much to someone as a college team: We had a poster for awhile Indy who i think bled Gold and blue for his pacers. When we're talking about fanship of that degree? there's no difference in pros and college. Did I know any of the guys who played on the Illini squad? sure: not closely but a quick whats up or a class together. I have just about the same exposure to the guys in the pros i've met. But once again: to each his own.

The other part: *shrugs* who knows? But if you had family who worked the stadium or the bars: i could see a much greater personal investment in the team although technically you are not PART of the team...

People can cheer for whoever they want, I don't really care.
I just think it's stupid that someone is going to accuse another person of jumping on a bandwagon because they're not cheering for the nearest city.

the funny thing is ..this discussion begins because of other issue

Why would you get so emotional over something you had no control over?

That could be applied to just about anything in life, though.

If your city's team wins the championship, do you get anything out of it? No?

Like I said, it's harmless escapism, something you can derive enjoyment from. It's not for everyone, but that doesn't make anyone superior or inferior to anyone else.

At any rate, we've gone way off-topic here. What makes Marion's remarks amusing to me is that while I see his point and I don't mind watching an uptempo game (and I still love dunks as much as the next person), he's trashing a more structured gameplan that is tried and true when it comes to winning championships and as a professional basketball player, that is the goal of the organisations he's been associated with. I have to admire his honesty and his candour, though.

While the Heat are winning games with their broing style, Marion is pissed off:

Shawn Marion has only played 10 games for the Raptors following a trade from the Heat, but he's already frustrated by the team's play.

"I'm pissed off," Marion said Thursday. "I am. I want to win.

"I don't want to go out there and lose every night. I didn't come here for this. I didn't expect this.

"Right now, we've got no fire. We've got to find that fire. That's what we need. We have a talented team, man. We have to pull together and help each other. We have to decide now if we're going to fold it up or look in the mirror, make a stride, and get on with it."

Toronto is 2-8 since Marion arrived and sits at 23-42, six games behind Milwaukee and Chicago for the eighth seed in the Eastern Conference.

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