I'm done with this ****** game! [warning: rant]

[Patr1ck]

I'm not trying to talk down on you, but I just don't think youhave learned how to play the game enough. It's just like when you first got it, you were frustrated and you were having no fun. I'm not sure if you have played any of the earlier 2K basketball games, but I felt the same way when I first got 2K7. I thought it was awesome, although I sucked royally. I could not drive to the basket, I could not get fouls, blocks, I could not shot jumpshots, and I missed alot of inside gimmie's(which turned out to be a problem that got patched). Just before 2K8 came out, I actually learned how to drive to the basket correctly. I had been living off Pick and Rolls and Up and Unders, cheap alleyoops and 3 pointers off of screens. Most of the sliders were geared in my favor because I didn't really know how to compete strategy-wise. I only played 2K7 for several months since I got my 360 in the spring of 2007.

When 2K8 came out, I had to learn a slightly different control scheme, and since the sliders were very similar, I knew how most of them affected the game after half a year of editing and reading slider threads at OperationSports. Also, they had the great threads on post moves and isomotion, which still apply to 2K9 in many cases. A couple months before 2K9 came out and I had finally got my cpu sliders and tendencies where I wanted to provide a competitive, but fun game. I still feel like continuing my association every now and then. I miss the team I built and the rookie role players I had progressing. In 2K8 I learned that the player tendencies are very important unless your sliders are really geared to your advantage. For instance, I built my CAP as a perimeter shooter, but kept trying to take it to the rack because isomotion was more fun to me. I found myself missing layups more than I thought I should. When I started to play to my tendencies of mid range and a few fallaways, my shooting percentage went up alot. So, you have a certain amount of players you can scout each month. I suggest scouting your main 7 and checking out their tendencies. Try to play to them by editing your playbook in thier favor.

The first time I played the Knicks in 2K9, they lit the shit out of me from downtown. Then they went cold, but still kept tossing up 3's. It was all becuase their long range tendency was at 90. Holy Crap. I learned from 2k7 that anything above 60 is overkill, becuase it really overrides a player's tendency. When I first tried some sliders that had the mid range tendency somewhere around 70, I found it wasn't good because Shaq and any other big man would toss up 16 foot bricks at a moments notice because my defender would give them the room. I actually messed up my coach profiles during a test. I made most of the shooting tendencies 50 to see if the player tendencies would matter more. They didn't. However, the teams that have their tendencies set to 50 give me the most competitive games because their shots are balanced. The downside is that those teams play alike, and don't utilize their stars enough.

This game is almost too sim. Go for the block on help defense, it's an offensive board because you didn't box out. Crash the boards on offense and you can't get back to defend a fast break. Don't contest shots and all of a sudden the cpu is shooting 70%. Can't get open shots and watch your percentage be in the 30's. Keep forcing it up in traffic and watch you players miss close shots. Of course there are some frustrating bugs, but they aren't game killers as most can be worked around in some way or another. It's way too hard to get the game to play realistically...as NBA stats "standards" are concerned. I personally don't mind a few stats being off. It has never been perfect for me, it's just the way I play. I usually lead the league in defensive rebounding, but I am last in offensive rebounds. I am usually the lowest in fouls and turnovers, and highest in assists. Most other stats I am in the middle somewhere.

So, if the cpu is shooting too often on a certain team, just lower it's coach profile's shooting tendencies by 10 and see what happens. They should dribble and pass a bit more. Lower the tempo and they will also pass less, and should use less backdoor passes, but I can't be sure of that one. If every team seems to shoot too much, you need to change the global cpu tendencies. Try not to change them by too much,though. For all the offensive ones, I try not to go under 40 or over 60.

There is no harm in testing stuff during an association. Make a backup of the save, sit down with a meal in front of your computer and watch the cpu play itself. See if you like it. If you don't, just quit the game, load the backup save(unless you had autosave turned off, then you can just load the same association save) and make some slider changes.

[chinoy316]

Hahaha. This reminds me of the first time I got my 2k9. I lost like my first 7 games in a row, most of them blowouts, and in pro difficulty. I'd curse my ass off after every loss. But then my first win came when Rudy Fernandez hit the game winning buzzer beater against the Celtics. And since then I've never looked back. I'm on HOF now and playing the association with my Nets, I'm 33-8. (Rudy Gay, Devin Harris, Brook Lopez big three!) I played each game myself. It's all about experience. Getting better. This game would be shit if we could win every game easily. I've been playing this since NBA 2k on Dreamcast and I'm still not a "pro". It takes time.

[tnt23]

Yeah fuck the complaning! man this is the greatest sports game ever especially if u coming from live...this game is near perfect...of course you will find flaws...like any human creation on pc...but at least u got good AI to compete with, great gameplay overall, and great graphics thans to this forum!

[NastyNacho1]

No beef but if you spent more time playing another game then coming back to nba 2k9 you will have more fun.

I switch between Total War , MLB 2k9 , NBA 2k9

If you play any game long enough you will find a bug or two it is always going to happen.

I am just glad we have a Great PC Basketball Title for $19.99

[wicked waway]

looking at the screens, it seems this happened on one particular game (the clipping)
does this happen to you every game? how much does the clipping affect the gameplay?

personally i havent noticed much of this bug

[Za man]

OMG. How is that? you are saying that this game is a sad joke and you have no fun or enjoyment playing it actually i have the same pleasure of having SEX when i play this game 4 days ago i was in one of my friends house and sadly he was playing LIVE 08 coz his PC cannot run NBA2K9 and ...B M... i couldn't believe how ugly this game was i kept on blaming my self for wasting that much time playing this lame game for years i hope from all of my heart that 2K's will bless us with NBA 2K10 next year.

[tnt23]

aha Za man i second that: hitting the game winner at last second with mj on such a beautiful game is near orgasm!
i also couldnt beleive my eyes when i launched 08 last month just to see the difference... its like we have nba live 2018 !

[Leander]

Take a look at the previews section. Some guy says that more files have been cracked and that the comback logic can be changed. Maybe I will have more fun then, hehe.

I quit my association two days ago. Tendencies kill me. Teams with a high "crash boards" tendency cannot be stopped. At least I can't. I jumped for the rebound, I boxed out...but the cpu player is always slightly faster. I think it has to do with the quickness slider. Same sliders but advantage for the cpu.

Some Denver player missed a shot...Denver grabbed the offensive board...their player got fouled. Missed two free throws. Got the offensive board again. Missed two free throws. Grabbed the offensive boards. Missed two free throws. Grabbed the offensive board. Made the second free throw. I got the ball. They had 17 offensive boards and I couldn't do anything against it. I boxed out, I jumped right after the free throw, I jumped slightly later...and Steven Hunter grabbed all offensive boards and missed his free throws.

I can handle teams with good rebounders but the tendencies always kill me. Teams with a "crash boards" setting of 60 or above are too much for me. The Rockets have even 90.

[Al Ka Pwn]

have you tried simming for a few seasons and only doing the mini games that make players better?
like post defence and deny position.

[Leander]

phpBB [video]

[Patr1ck]

That guy should learn how to rebound.

[Al Ka Pwn]

no one near the shot to block.

[tnt23]

lol 6 minutes on this one boring play... ok the cpu messed up on that play...shit happens, like in real life...this youtube dude is bored...he should get a job...

[shadowgrin]

You complain too much Leander.

That guy should learn how to rebound.

Ditto. I like how he said that his two created players know how to rebound, then why the fark is Udoka the one near the ball?

[Leander]

I restarted my association and started two new ones, one with team chemistry and player roles, one without. The second started pretty well and I won whereas the first one looked to give me a great game with great stats until the stupid comeback logic decided to let me lose.

I was ahead by 15 after the first half but then I was not able to hit any shots...my FG% dropped from 54% to 38 and I missed many open layups and shots from directly under the basket.

[Matthew]

lol 6 minutes on this one boring play... ok the cpu messed up on that play...shit happens, like in real life...this youtube dude is bored...he should get a job...

What he said was right though. I don't see how him bringing it to the attention of everyone (that watches the video) that there's a bug means that he isn't contributing to society...

[Leander]

Ok, I will continue with my assocation with my current settings. I am 2-1 now. I won against the Rockets but the comeback logic pissed me off once again. The Rockets were behind by 10-18 in the first third quarters. They were cold and it is completely unrealistic that my good shooting and the Rockets´ bad shooting changes right at the start of the fourth quarter. I led by 14 after three quarters and knew what would follow. I also ask myself why I should play the fourth as the cpu always comes back. I miss, he scores and he leads by some points with 2 minutes to go.

THIS! IS! BORING! If the stupid AI cheats I cheat as well...and cheesed around to stop the run.

Ok, this is my last post in this thread. I will continue with my association and remain silent when the cpu has his 4th quarter comeback.

[Patr1ck]

Are you sure clutch factor is off? Maybe you should just turn it on and put clutch factor down to like 10 or something for the cpu. I've recently noticed that it can make a big difference.

[Leander]

It is off and the factor is set to 5. The comeback logic occurs every single game in the fourth quarter. They start to hit everything, fast break like mad, throw backdoor passes etc.
I have to call like 3 timeouts to stop it.

[shadowgrin]

The Rockets were behind by 10-18 in the first third quarters. They were cold and it is completely unrealistic that my good shooting and the Rockets´ bad shooting changes right at the start of the fourth quarter. I led by 14 after three quarters and knew what would follow..

Basketball is a game of momentum. Don't expect the same for the whole game.

My clutch factor is set to On, with the sliders at 3 for User and 1 for CPU.

[Leander]

I'm having fun now, finally. I'm 3-3 in my association.

[syxxness]

if you cannot play the game, stop crying about it!!!!
the original slider seem not really fair to the human player.... its way too cpu's one sided, you can search alternative slider in patch & release, if you still stuck..... just get back to your old nba live 2000.....

[Blacksmurf313]

Here is the some vital keys to NBA Basketball.

1. In every game: Both teams are subject to making runs and that's why you have timeouts. When a home team makes a run the crowd goes insane, you can see the players on the bench showing excitement and the five players on the court are high fiving and ect.....That's when you have to call a time out. Job is to defuse that run and stop the momentum. When a team is making a run on you and if you try to play through it you can end up in a hole.

Example. If you pay attention you will learn something valuable. I want people to become more than just casual fans but become masters of the game. This is not just for NBA 2K, this is organized Basketball period!

Say youre up By 10 points playing away, the score is 50 to 40 and the team youre facing drives to the basket scores and get fouled.
Now the score is 50 to 42. Let say he hits his freethrow, now the score is 50 to 43:
You bring ball up court and miss, he rebounds then scores! Pay attention: He just cut the lead in half. You were up by 10, instead the lead has been cut to a 5 point lead. The score is 50 to 45. That's a five point swing on two possesions.

What you do next is critical.....

There are many things you can do, but only a few things will help you to get a score and stop this run.

The wrong things to do: Get frustrated, start Jacking threes, and do everything with your star player.
The correct things to do:
1. Call a timeout: Stop that momentum cold! This is my first choice, but you have to look at what point of the game youre in and how many time outs you have. At the beginning of a game this is a no brainer. You Stop that run.....If you are low on timeouts, then commit a foul if you have fouls to give. Do whatever it takes to bring the crowd to a halt.
2. During the timeouts: ....Make adjustments, I'm not talking just on a lil five point run. Im talking during critical point of the game, like near the end of the second half. When you have a nice lead, you want to protect your lead. Sometime put in your defensive squad, a simple move like that could help protect your lead by causing turnovers, and playing solid defensive. Do I need to tell you that your best defensive team can help you make stops. That is one of the ways I like to stop runs..... Interms of making adjustment: Put in your defensive squad, but leave your star scorer in then call one of your bread and butter plays. Now you have a defensive minded lineup on the court while players are resting and you still have a high quality scorer on the floor. Once you make a few stops, on the next dead ball bring your core group back on the floor.
3...Call your bread and butter plays from your offensive playbook to get a high percentage shot with one of your star players. If that other team is scoring and you cant stop them the least you should do is score with them. So you want to make sure you have your scorers and shooters in the game. However you want to take high percentage shots.

I hope some of these tips are helpful. However the most effective way to end a run is to call a time out. Then you go from there.......

[123rockstar]

Wanna have fun? Well, ask yourself if you want to lose or win. If you want to win, then move your sliders all up. Shoot alot of threes and get alot of foul-counted dunks and lay-ups. Catch is...you will never get 300 points! Thats my challenge to you.

If you want to lose, make sure you make alot of fouls and make your sliders all zero. Catch is...you will always play eventhough every player has 6 fouls on your team. Try it.

If you dont want to win or lose.....make your slider and the cpu sliders all to zero. There will always be overtime!!!! No points will be made on neither teams. Now thats fun!!!!!

[Blacksmurf313]

Wanna have fun? Well, ask yourself if you want to lose or win. If you want to win, then move your sliders all up. Shoot alot of threes and get alot of foul-counted dunks and lay-ups. Catch is...you will never get 300 points! Thats my challenge to you.

If you want to lose, make sure you make alot of fouls and make your sliders all zero. Catch is...you will always play eventhough every player has 6 fouls on your team. Try it.

If you dont want to win or lose.....make your slider and the cpu sliders all to zero. There will always be overtime!!!! No points will be made on neither teams. Now thats fun!!!!!

If thats what makes the game fun for you, so be it. I believe: Live and let live. For me I want a true sim experience, I want to experience the highs and lows of winning and loosing. At times this game makes me overjoyed and other times I get frustrated and then I have to throw on my strategic thinking cap to etch out a win.