Can't play defense, please help

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Re: Can't play defense, please help

Postby Leander on Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:19 am

I am currently playing against the Grizzlies. No single block for me. LOL Is there another comeback logic apart from the clutch sliders? Clutch is set to off but each game is characterized by comebacks. Often I am behind by 15 just with my players getting hot in time, and now I magically shot 63% from the field in the first half (my FG% is 45 for the season) and led by more than 20 points. In the third quarter Memphis hit everything and I missed everything...they came closer up to 3 points. Now there are 8 minutes left in the fourth quarter and I lead by 6.

Mayo is on fire, Lee sucks, Curry has a decent game (yes, I played him because of my huge lead)...and I simply LOVE those moments when I have three rebounders under the basket but the cpu player grabs the board...or they get an offensive rebound after a freethrow. My rebounding sliders are 55/60 (user) and 30/50 (cpu).

Gotta switch back to my girlfriend's computer for the last 8 minutes... :lol:
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Re: Can't play defense, please help

Postby Leander on Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:18 am

PDub May sound stupid but I just found out that you can view the replay of every single basket! Amazing! Didn't know that. I've always thought that you can only view the last few seconds.

EDIT Played one half with the Suns and it was totally different. Five blocks, eight steals. I also had a huge block by Shaq. Well...the Knicks suck on the defensive end of the floor.
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Re: Can't play defense, please help

Postby Spree#8 on Wed Mar 04, 2009 5:51 am

Leander wrote:Is there another comeback logic apart from the clutch sliders? Clutch is set to off but each game is characterized by comebacks.

I suppose so. In my game clutch factor is also off, but the Rockets were destroying me in the 3rd and 4th when I had the lead.

Anyway, the game decided to bug the game 3 of my finals (which I won) by setting the result of 4rd quarter as 17-0 for the Rockets while it was 26-22 for me actually. So instead of 2-1, they were leading 3-0. In game 4 all of my players except Roy sucked ass. They didn't hit anything, from all the rest of the team only Anthony had a double digit number of points (and it was like 12). Anyway, last action, the Rockets lead 109-106, I need a 3-pointer to tie. So of course, ball goes to Roy, I head to the corner, shoot, the ball bounces on the rim and goes in... and I watch as 2 points are added to my counter... although I was sure that if I had taken one more step away from the basket, I would have gone out of bounds. Roy was huge (48 points and 10 assists if I remember correctly), but had totally no support. Yao was unstoppable again, about 30 points and 20 boards, over 10 offensive. So I got swept although I actually won one game. :lol: Well, maybe I'll win next season... unless I meet the Rockets in the finals again.
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Re: Can't play defense, please help

Postby Patr1ck on Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:52 am

Anyway, the game decided to bug the game 3 of my finals (which I won) by setting the result of 4rd quarter as 17-0 for the Rockets while it was 26-22 for me actually.


This is why I make two saves for my association.
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Re: Can't play defense, please help

Postby Leander on Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:04 am

Ah, thanks for the hint...I will use two saves as well.

Restarted my association with slightly tweaked sliders. I had a huuuuge block with David Lee...but Minnesota had that beast called Jefferson who had 30 points, 13 rebounds and 4 blocks. I will play against the Rockets soon...

PDub Two questions:

1) What player speed do you use? 75? I use a game speed of 55 and a player speed of 50...is player speed quickness? Or just how fast they run?

2) Are team highs broken for you as well? It`s in the records tab in association mode. A lot of player names are replaced by strange squares.
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Re: Can't play defense, please help

Postby Patr1ck on Wed Mar 04, 2009 12:40 pm

1) I think player speed is just for normal movement, possibly even only for running, while game speed is everything else from the speed of the ball to the player animations. I keep them equal at 70 for 9 minute quarters.

2) I haven't noticed any squares, but I have noticed blank spots where names would usually be.
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Re: Can't play defense, please help

Postby Leander on Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:09 pm

This is what I am talking about:

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Re: Can't play defense, please help

Postby Leander on Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:26 am

I've won against the Rockets!!! Now I'm happy...not.

I've almost started to enjoy this game but now I'm pissed again. It's ok that Yao Ming grabbed his 8 offensive boards...but the comeback logic is so damn horrible! Well, it is no real comeback logic but a mix of a comeback logic and forced realism. After some games with different settings I am used to the game and know how to score. I really played well and led by 28 at half-time. Shot 67% from the field, the Rockets had 39%. It was boring as I hadn't shot above 50% in the games before. Then the cpu started cheating. I did not become nervous and continued to play well but my shots did not drop and the Rockets hit contested shots. I had some steals, I did the same like in the first half...same plays, some moves, same shots...yes, comebacks are interesting and realistic but this stupid cheating is just cheating and nothing else. 2k forces crunch time game after game...it should be a nail-biter by any means...suddenly my lead decreased to two. In the end I won by 4 but it was boring as hell.

In other games I sucked. Then 2k's "forced realism" came in and each player had to have a realistic FG%. Cold shooters started hitting shots to get realistic stats and the team with the lead starting shooting bricks. No matter if I lead by 20 at half-time or I'm behind by 20 - the game is always tied with less than 2 minutes to go.
Is this supposed to be exciting? It just sucks.

Another rant of mine: unbalanced FG%. Some players hit everything while others have a realistic FG%. I haven't been able to get realistic FG% for all players yet. Eddy Curry and Al Harrington hit everything. Others have FG% of 40-50% but Harrington has 65%. I restarted my association several times but the result was always the same. Harrington hits everything from downtown or mid-range.

And my last rant: it is too easy to score after a rebound. When I grab a defensive board I will always get an uncontested shot from downtown. I know this move by heart...rebound, pass, pass...some player standing behind the line and an easy three.
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Re: Can't play defense, please help

Postby Patr1ck on Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:51 am

When I grab a defensive board I will always get an uncontested shot from downtown. I know this move by heart...rebound, pass, pass...some player standing behind the line and an easy three.


You sure you mean defensive rebound? If it's an offensive rebound, I'd like to know this move. :D

I don't want to sound like a broken record, but make sure your clutch factor is off and the clutch slider is at 0 for the cpu. When they go on their runs, what kind of points are they usually getting? Are they fast breaks? Quick inside passes or dribble drives followed by freethrows? Wide open 3's? Also, what type of shots do you seem to be missing?
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Re: Can't play defense, please help

Postby Leander on Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:38 am

Yes, defensive rebound. Grab the board, pass to a guard running up the court, pass again (very quick passes) and drain the 3. It could be due to my sliders though. CPU defensive awareness is set to 45.

Clutch factor is off, sliders are at 0. They hit from all over the court while I miss from all over the court.

EDIT The fast 3 does not work all the time, tested it. My bad. It is possible several times a game though, depending on the cpu team's offensive strategy, plays etc.
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Re: Can't play defense, please help

Postby NastyNacho1 on Thu Mar 05, 2009 4:30 pm

It is very hard to play D

I feel like my players hold little to no Weight on the court.

The CPU can just Back you down and really s quite unstopable at HOF Level

I heard the patch helped this slightly but I am reluctant to make the switch because of all my Mods.

My suggestion is to turn up the sliders for Player D. for now until you get a hang of it.

Play the Pass lanes it will reward you more then on-ball Defense.
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Re: Can't play defense, please help

Postby Jeffx on Sun Mar 15, 2009 3:01 pm

NastyNacho1 wrote:It is very hard to play D

I feel like my players hold little to no Weight on the court.

The CPU can just Back you down and really s quite unstopable at HOF Level.


There is no defense. The CPU will either back you down(with any player) or kill you with one backdoor cut after another. I gave up this game a long time ago. IMO, a lousy effort from 2K Sports. Like EA, they got lazy. Didn't their testers see this crap?
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Re: Can't play defense, please help

Postby Prev on Sun Mar 15, 2009 8:43 pm

yeah cpu is scoring half of the points wit back door cuts... its so anoying
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Re: Can't play defense, please help

Postby Patr1ck on Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:04 am

That's why I play on Pro. They don't do it much at all.

The thing about Pro is the home games are way too easy, while the away games have a very competitive difficulty. Also, when I had moved up to All Star, and even messed with Superstar and Hall of Fame, I saw the cpu use a nice variety of offensive moves and a few other gameplay animations that I had not seen much.
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Re: Can't play defense, please help

Postby shadowgrin on Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:35 pm

Jeffx wrote:There is no defense. The CPU will either back you down(with any player) or kill you with one backdoor cut after another. I gave up this game a long time ago. IMO, a lousy effort from 2K Sports. Like EA, they got lazy. Didn't their testers see this crap?

using default sliders Jeffx?
Backdoor passing is a killer. I noticed that game flaw when at default sliders, Zach Randolph (who was still with the Knicks) kept throwing bullet bounce passes allt he time. He was like farking Jason Kidd.
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Re: Can't play defense, please help

Postby Jeffx on Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:57 pm

Señor Shiado Griniano wrote:
Jeffx wrote:There is no defense. The CPU will either back you down(with any player) or kill you with one backdoor cut after another. I gave up this game a long time ago. IMO, a lousy effort from 2K Sports. Like EA, they got lazy. Didn't their testers see this crap?

using default sliders Jeffx?
Backdoor passing is a killer. I noticed that game flaw when at default sliders, Zach Randolph (who was still with the Knicks) kept throwing bullet bounce passes allt he time. He was like farking Jason Kidd.


I was using All-Star sliders I got from OS. It helped a little, but most of the CPU's offense is still backdoor cuts. I got tired of the B.S.(and smashing controllers), so I said good-bye to 2K9.

Very disappointing year for 2K and Madden.
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