Ratings Suggestions

[Andrew]

I'll make a note of ratings suggestions in any thread that discusses a particular roster release, but in this thread feel free to post suggestions for ratings corrections and players you'd like me to review in future updates. All suggestions will be considered but I can't promise I'll agree with all suggestions.

Please note that I don't boost or lower individual ratings just to make overalls look "better". The important of overall ratings is often overstated and the fact of the matter is that with the way overalls are calculated, the results aren't always ideal. So please look at the individual ratings first and make your suggestions about them instead; if an overall rating looks "wrong" it could be that the individual ratings could stand to be updated and suggestions are most welcome, but in some cases it will be a matter of the game giving too much weight to certain ratings (Jumping and Dunking are two noteworthy examples).

Please also note that I won't be making any changes without cause, so please provide some evidence/reasoning with your suggestions. Any suggestions similar to "(Player): (Rating) UP" will be ignored, so make sure you can back it up with some proof.

Finally, although the ratings are the same in each of the NLSC updates, it would be helpful it you could mention which update you're using when providing feedback. Thanks for your support!

[Andrej]

LeBron James rating is too high. Should be more like 94. Steve Nash rating is too low. Should be at around the 87 to 90 range.

[Andrew]

Please note that I don't boost or lower individual ratings just to make overalls look "better". The important of overall ratings is often overstated and the fact of the matter is that with the way overalls are calculated, the results aren't always ideal. So please look at the individual ratings first and make your suggestions about them instead; if an overall rating looks "wrong" it could be that the individual ratings could stand to be updated and suggestions are most welcome, but in some cases it will be a matter of the game giving too much weight to certain ratings (Jumping and Dunking are two noteworthy examples).

[penetrate22]

FOR NBA LIVE 2005 only
I think Deron Williams' rating should be 82-86 range and he should be the star player of UTAH in NBA LIVE 2005.
And here are also the list of players whom I think should be edited:
RAJON RONDO - too low rating and he frequently missed some layups when I use him. I think is field goal shooting must be higher but not to the extent of him becoming a jump shooter.
MO Williams, Anthony Parker and Daniel gibson should be 3Pointers at least 75 i guess just to have the 3PT. Icon.
SHAWN MARION'S RATING IS TOO HIGH(he used to deserved that rating but right now he's just a role player)
TY LAWSON's rating is too high for a ROOKIE who's not even a lottery pick.
BEN WALLACE - no need for explanation here.
TREVOR ARIZA - can he be a 3pt. at least(the 3pt. Icon)
ERIC GORDON - also 3pt icon for him.
RAMON SESSIONS - rating should be at least 70 perhaps.

[Andrew]

Again, please read my notes about overall ratings. They are not nearly as important as a lot of people think they are. Also note that NBA Live 2005 calculates the overalls to be considerably lower in comparison to NBA Live 06-08.

[Null17]

I think this thread is gonna be full of shitheads with less than 10 posts who don't even bother to read.

[Andrew]

Well, those are your words, not mine. I appreciate any feedback but seriously guys, read the first post before sending anything in. Overall ratings really aren't the be-all, end-all. Check out the individual ratings and if you have a suggestion, please make sure you back it up with some evidence (like stats).

[penetrate22]

Ok well, i think some of it is not really needed, but please RONDO really missed a lot of layups because of his low FG shooting. Maybe get it a little higher.

[Freddie]

Andrew, please check this roster.
http://www.speedyshare.com/578160220.html

I modified your roster update, only for me, it's not release! But u can check it. I modified ratings in 50 the best players: blocks, pass (assists), steals, off. def. rebs, ft, 3pt
It's for NBA Live 2005

[creak26]

For NBA Live 08
Rajon Rondo, Rating of def. off. rebound should be higher.
Glen Davis, Rating of FG should be higher.

Reference:
http://www.nba.com/celtics/stats/

Also, the overall rating of Marquis Daniels should be higher.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/marquis_d ... index.html

Last edited by creak26 on Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:31 pm, edited 1 time in total.

[Andrew]

I'll take another look, thanks for the heads up.

[bernz93]

Hey Andrew!
Thanks for the roster patch. I have a suggestion about Chris "The Birdman" Andersen's ratings especially on his athleticism. He has been a great shot block last season and during the playoffs so his blocking should be around 89-92. His stamina is too low. It should be around 58-62. He was also fast last season. His speed should be around 68-70. His defensive awareness should also be high, around 80-88. That's all. Thanks Andrew. Keep up the good work!

[Andrew]

I'll take another look at him, thanks for the heads up.

[Dee.]

Daniel Gibson should have a better 3pt shooting rating i think.
And some point guards have a too high Dunking rating,which kinda changes the gameplay,like Billups going for the dunk.
It's not a big problem,but i guess it can be solved easilly.

[Andrew]

It's a tough balance with some of the point guards that can dunk. If you list the ones that you find are dunking too often, I can take a look at them. I might be able to find a better dunk package for them as well.

With Gibson's percentages, it certainly seems his rating needs to go up a bit.

[Dee.]

Well,ill play Live alot today,since i have nothing to do.
Ill post the Point Guards that are dunking too often,and similiar stuff.
I Just hope i don't bring you much of a problem.

[Andrew]

So long as you can provide a list, it gives me something to work with so no problem at all.

[Dee.]

Gonna play with all the teams,test everything out.
And yeah,ill provide a list.

[dare]

Agree with TheDee lots of PG's in my Live 08 dunks a lot ex: D.Harris, R.Rondo, D.Rose, C.Billups, C.Paul I think that's some of them hope it can be fixed in v3.4 roster

[Andrew]

It's a difficult balance as those players should be able to dunk because they can and do.

[Dee.]

Rajon Rondo:The Guy can't shoot three's at the game at all,it's a bit dangerous to increase his 3pt shooting rating,because someone would say "Hey,he has a too high overall",but it should be increased,at least maybe to 50.
Kevin Garnett:He's not playing like himself this season,His FG is a bit too high (i think),offensive awareness is a bit too big too,he really can't have that "95" overall,you just have to look how he plays now.
Rasheed Wallace:With his current ratings,he might be an All-Star,Dunking shouldn't be at 80,he doesn't go for the slam.Maybe slighten his Strength and some other stats,he's too good.
Eddie House: Just bring 3pt shooting a bit higher,we all know he's better then that.
M.Daniels:His Speed and Quickness is too low,passing rating should be increased too,He's more of a passer in Boston.
Boris Diaw:First of all,the 3pt shooting,and maybe(just maybe) increase his Clutch.
Gerald Wallace:This might be pretty hard since he might get a too good lucking overall,but looking to his stats,he should have his rebounding way increased.
John Salmons:I Saw him do some pretty nice Dunks last Season,he has a 50 dunk rating,at least 70 would be fair.
Taj Gibson:The guy is making some nice jumpshots, 54 FG rating is too low.
Shaq:The Real Shaq isn't doing well,Maybe decrease dunking a little,he's doing dunks every time he's near the rim.Inside scoring should be decreased,the same goes for his Strength,Rebounding,Stamina and Hardyness.
Lebron James: 3pt shooting should go up,we all see his Stand-wait-shoot 3 pointers,just a bit increasing would be good.
Žydrūnas Ilgauskas:3pt shooting increased,he can make those,rarely-but he can.Decrease his Rebounding,he never averaged even 10 rebounds.
Daniel Gibson:Just the 3pt shooting i guess.
Shawn Marion:Im Surprised he still has that high rating,just look at him,it can't be like that,so much should be decreased.
Josh Howard:Dunking should go down,FG should be a bit decreased too,he's not doing so well this season.
R.Beaubois:Anyone saw him get an alley from Jason Kidd,this guy can jump and dunk,both of those ratings should be better.
Nene:Maybe a bit increased Dunking?
Kenyon Martin:Decreased dunking,he doesnt dunk on people.
Chauncey Billups:The Guy Dunks on people,his dunking rating is low,so maybe you should just change his dunk package?
Ty Lawson:Dunking Increased.
Chris Andersen:The Guy can actually hit some mid range shots,and even threes if needed,so both of them Increased.His Strength And Jumping should be a bit increased too i guess.
Rip Hamilton:3pt shooting increased(maybe).
Will Bynum:Dunking,jumping,strength should go up.


Ending this at Pistons,ill post other Suggestions when i have more time.
P.S:Don't get me wrong or something,im not saying "this HAS to be increased",Im just "offering".
Any Thoughts,Andrew?

[Andrew]

Rondo can't shoot threes in the game because he can't really shoot them in real life. Take a look at his percentage: 11.1% from downtown, 2/18 for the season. There's no way I'm raising his rating to 50.

Garnett is still getting his legs back after last season's surgery and his minutes are down. As I explain in the first post, I don't lower ratings just so the overall looks better, the overall rating isn't half as important as people to believe it to be. I'll leave his ratings as they are for the moment. Similar situation with Wallace, though a few of his individual ratings probably are a bit too high at this stage of his career. I'll take a look at his ratings.

House is shooting 39.4% from downtown, 41% for his career. 80's about right, it could possibly go a little higher but he's far from underrated.

Daniels' speed and quickness probably could come up a couple of notches. I'll make a note of it.

Diaw is shooting around 30% from downtown. A bit hard to justify much of a raise at this time.

Gerald Wallace has maintained his rebounding numbers, so I agree his ratings could go up at least a little.

Salmons has dunked twice all season, 50 is about right given the frequency.

Gibson's jumpshot is decent, but taking a look at his Hot Spot data over at NBA.com it's not fantastic and most of his shots are coming in the paint. I might raise it a bit, but not much if I do.

Shaq's numbers are a bit deceptive given that he's only playing half a game. With that in mind, I don't think a decrease is in order at this time.

Ilgauskas is 4/4 and he has shot threes a bit more than most centres in the past, so it could probably come up a little but not much. He doesn't shoot one every game. I'll consider it.

Percentage-wise, LeBron is down from last year from three point range. No need for a boost as far as the stats are concerned.

Daniel Gibson will be updated, his three point shooting is lower than it should be.

Shawn Marion: Again, the overall rating is not as meaningful as a lot of people think especially as it gets boosted so much by the athletic ratings. Marion's minutes are down a bit and he's playing on a team where he doesn't get as many shots. It doesn't mean his skills are gone.

Howard's in the same boat, being on the same team. He's coming off the bench and he's been injured. Doesn't mean his skills have disappeared.

Beaubois has certainly proven to have plenty of hops and can throw it down. That's easily fixed.

No real need to increase Nene's dunking ability but I'll consider it. Same with decreasing Martin's.

I'll see what I can do with Billups.

Lawson is definitely in need of a boost as far as his dunking and athleticism. No problem there.

Chris Andersen rarely shoots outside the paint and is 0/1 from downtown this season (2/20 for his career). No way I'm increasing those ratings, the numbers don't justify it.

Richard Hamilton is a fantastic midrange shooter, but not really a three point shooter. He's shooting 20% on the season (3/15 in 3 games) and around 35% on his career. 70 is just fine for those numbers, arguably a little generous in fact.

Bynum's athletic and dunking ratings could come up a bit.

[Dee.]

Stephen Curry:Maybe increasing his 3pt shooting a bit.
Tracy McGrady:I Don't know if it's the time to suggest something,but he's Certainly not The Old T-Mac in allmost everything.
Trevor Ariza:Maybe increased 3pt Shooting,he's becoming really better in time.
Chase Budinger:He's making some sweet dunks,his dunking should go up,maybe increasing his Jumping a bit wouldn't hurt too.
Baron Davis:He's certainly not a HighFlyer anymore.
Ricky Davis:He's not as good as he was,he can't dunk like he did,same goes for jumping.
Steve Novak:Increased 3pt shooting.
Shannon Brown:Dunking Waaaaaay Up,same goes for jumping.
Sam Young:Maybe increased dunking?
Jermaine O'Neal:FG down,Rebounding down.
Dwyane Wade:Maybe increased 3pt shooting?
E.Ilyasova:Increased Rebounding maybe,i saw him get a lot of those.
Jonny Flynn:Dunking a bit up,i mean.He doesn't dunk a lot,but he Can dunk.
Corey Brewer:Dunking and Jumping Increased.
Peja Stojakovic:FG And 3pt Shooting decreased,at least a bit.
D.Gallinari:Increased 3pt shooting.
Nate Robinson:Increased FG,and maybe 3pt shooting.

Ending this at Knicks.
Thoughts,Andrew?

[Andrew]

Stephen Curry: Possibly, though 38.9% doesn't really warrant too much of a boost.

Tracy McGrady: Difficult call. He's not getting much of an opportunity to show how much game he has left. I'll take a look but I haven't made up my mind as to the best course of action with him yet.

Trevor Ariza: I don't think so. His current rating is actually a bit generous given his percentage.

Chase Budinger: Yes, he could stand to be improved in those areas.

Baron Davis: Probably a good idea.

Ricky Davis: Ditto.

Steve Novak: No way. If anything, his current three point rating is too high for someone shooting 28.6% from downtown.

Shannon Brown: Yes, he's certainly in need of a boost.

Sam Young: Could probably come up a little bit, yes.

Jermaine O'Neal: No, I don't think so. Possibly rebounding, but he's playing fewer minutes these days and his numbers are still respectable given that fact.

Dwyane Wade: No. His three point percentage is down to 25% this year which does not warrant an increase.

Ersan Ilyasova: I've already adjusted his ratings, though I think I might've done that after the release of 3.3. In any case, I feel what I have now is more accurate than they were before.

Jonny Flynn: Could probably come up a little bit.

Corey Brewer: Could probably come up a little bit.

Peja Stojakovic: No. His field goal shooting is down a bit on his career numbers but up from last year and I think it's still fair as he can still shoot.

Danilo Gallinari: I've already increased it a little bit, it could possibly go a bit higher still. I'll consider it.

Nate Robinson: No significant increase from last year, I don't think he warrants a boost in those areas at this time.

[Dee.]

S.Ibaka:Increased Strength.
Rashard Lewis:Decreased Dunking.
M.Speights:Increased FG.
J.Dudley:Increased 3pt Shooting maybe?
Taylor Griffin:You will move him away right?
M.Webster:Increased Dunking.
Tyreke Evans:Increased Rebounding and Passing maybe?
O.Casspi:Increased 3pt shooting.
Donte Greene:Increase in Dunking,Maybe Dribbling.He should have more stamina too.
Tim Duncan:"20" rating 3pt shooting is maybe a bit too good for him?
Roger Mason:Increased Clutch.
Dejuan Blair:Increased strength,and defensive rebounding.He's a god damn monster.
M.Belinelli:Decreased Dunking.
B.Haywood:Maybe dunking slightly increased.
Gilbert Arenas:Dunking Slightly Decreased.
Deshawn Stevenson:Decreased Dunking.
M.Williams (hawks):Increased 3pt shooting.

So,i guess it's the end.
Hope i am not a pain in the ass.