PS3/XBOX360--- This game isn't NEXT GEN.... why?

[Chris-CP3-Paul]

I usually read all your threads and never post or reply to anything, so I feel I've earned the right to get this off my chest. I'm not some FanBoy or another immature kid, and I take everything into consideration before judging a videogame. So lets start, OK now this game is ridiculously the same year after year, I understood it before and forgave, but this time around I WILL NOT!!.... this is the era of PS3 and XBOX360, meaning NEXT GEN EVERYTHING, so the GRAPHICS and more importantly PHYSICS have to be completely new.... THEY ARE NOT!!______ NBA Live 08 is still using the same physics they've been using the last few years, so I'm paying for PS2/XBOX technology on my very expensive next gen systems. So far the only thing Next Gen they supposedly incorporate is QuickStrike, because from my understanding it's the one thing that will be on the PS3 and Xbox360 and not the PC version, I dunno about the PS2 or Xbox versions though. WOW, so now EA considers incorporating a couple of slick crossovers and spins NEXT GEN! thumbs up and cheers to them!
If you take my point of view with a sour outlook on it, consider these points I make below to back up my claims.

PHYSICS:(this is proof that these still the same physics from years ago)
----Still the same Ice Skating sliding players all over the court
----The good old layup attempts from behind the backboard where the ball just goes out of bounds.
----How can nobody notice the STEAL GLITCH!!!...this one makes me wanna tear out my hair!! you know the one where you get the ball knocked out of your hand, or poke it away from the offensive player, so you point your joystick towards the ball only to have your player slightly swerve around the ball in the opposite direction that you pressed, which gives the other team just enough time to pick the ball up off the floor and dunk on your a$$

GRAPHICS:
----720p!? get wit the fu*kin times, 1080p you blt*hes.. I can notice the jagged blurry edges from 10 feet away, Live 06 looked better on my PC
----Choppy framerates, and FUDGE all those game developers that say the human eye doesnt notice a difference between 30fps and 60fps, cause it's very easily seen and it's very annoying, especially when it's on my $600 PS3 and my $500 XBox360 where shlt should be flawless


I'm sure there's a lot of other things but these are just a few, and I wonder how does EA get away with this year after year, or more importantly HOW ARE THEY GETTING AWAY WITH IT IN THE ERA OF NEXT GEN... I dont understand it, until I remember that they are a multimillion dollar corporation thats in the business of making money and not good/fun/realistic/ games that they claim they do.... plus having their fanboys doesnt hurt. And oh and for anyone about to accuse me of being a 2K8 fanboy, well that game sucks more than Live 08, cuz yea.... wildly spinning and damn near breaking my joystick to pull off a cross over move to get me past my defender really appeals to me... I got a sore thumb after 10 minutes of playing that fu*kin game...
so please please reply away, enlighten me as to what's really going on because I'm not in the video game loop like the rest of you and don't know as much as you guys, but I do know a crap game when I see one.

[benji]

If you really read all my threads, you would know not everyone on here gets a hard-on over Live. And some people actually despise every instance of the game since Live 2005.

That said, I look forward to your tenth post.

[zygis1]

I love the graphics. I have a ps3 and a sd TV

[Chris-CP3-Paul]

well I figure it two ways.... 1 year isnt enough time for them to make major updates or create a new next gen physics system for games that come out on Next Gen systems, ORRRRRRR..... they have plenty of time but the cost factor with all this involved would not be smart from a business perspective....

well I call BS on that straight up, I think 1 year is more than enough time, and I think that given the fact that the technology they have right now to make the games with, especially the developer tools they get from Microsoft and Sony to make PS3 and Xbox360 games with makes it a lot easier for them to make games and they probably finish them in a faster time frame as well. So if you really look at it, it basically comes down to this... they got the means to make the games truly next gen, and truly worthy of praise, but instead they end up making the same crap year after year and on top of all that they have big Tony Montana cojones to charge us Next Gen money for 5 year old technology..

[Chris-CP3-Paul]

I love the graphics. I have a ps3 and a sd TV

ok I got it for PS3 and 360 but I am 100% sure that the game will look twice as good on my PC (21inch widescreen LCD at 1680x1050 resolution)

[zygis1]

whats your graphic card?

[BigKaboom2]

HOW ARE THEY GETTING AWAY WITH IT IN THE ERA OF NEXT GEN...

Because people like you buy it...

[euro41]

Remember when EA showed those 2 guys coming to EA camp and trying out the latest installment! The guy that won the nba live tournment and some other guy.

Last time I checked the video they kept saying: Gameplay GOOD Graphics GOOD everything is GOOD!

It's these people who don't have the nerves/balls to tell EA listen fix this and fix that.....why is this not fluid or that.....why is the player stoping to just receive a pass??? ........NO instead they say Gameplay GOOD Graphics Good...then EA is like okey these guys like the game let's release!!!!!!!

if you haven't seen the video:

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24357.html

[Chris-CP3-Paul]

whats your graphic card?

I've got an xfx 6600gt and in my other PC I got a 8800gtx... Live 07 looks the same on both cards except faster framerates with the 8800gtx...


BigKaboom2, I ain't no sucka, I didnt buy the game from EBgames where they dont give you refunds.... I bought it from Best Buy and still have my receipt because I knew there was a very high probability I was gonna return it.


Dirk41, yea I seen the video and I was really annoyed at those 2 guys because they didnt ask the right questions nor did they point out the major flaws of the game

[SHAFT23]

well the graphics look okay to me. im playing on my 19 inch lcd with the xbox 360.

layups behind the board are toned down. the dunks are still easy and don't look very good. theres a handful of dunks that lok nice in certain situations.

the game does play smooth and has some glitches. my opponent online got a 3 second in the key call when i stripped amare of the ball. he didnt have the ball but he was in the paint and he got the TO.

the guys only stop if you pass it to them when they are not sutting for some reason. imagine if the didnt stop.the fast breaks would be even faster.

overal the game is good if you play a good realistic opponent. it should be better, but i hope they make it better each year.

i dont really notice the skating, though. lower gamespeed covers that part.

[cheater1034]

you're wrong, this game is pretty next-gen. Beautiful graphics, physics, etc. No skating (are you on crack, if you want skating play 2k8), through backboard dunks happen RARELY (also happen in 2k8 rarely), The frame rates are choppy .9% of the time.

You can't play current gen live and compare it to next gen live, it's just like night and day. HUGE difference in a good way because next gen live is actually "next gen"

[JaoSming]

Live 08 is Next Gen graphics-wise but It does nothing in the gameplay department that cant be done on a PS2. Therefore IMHO NBA Live 08 (ps3/360) ≠ a next generation game.

[Chris-CP3-Paul]

if some of you guys wanna settle for just graphics for this next gen gaming, that's cool enjoy the pretty looking courts and jerseys..
but as far as the argument for great physics in NBA Live... you've gotta get off crack on that one right there... they've had the same physics engine for the last few years, I live here in Burnaby where they make the game year after year, I have friends who work there and they tell me what really goes on, so I'm not just making this up as I go along, like I said, I'm not the type to argue a fact unless I have valid proof...

[Kobe ftw]

I saw many videos of ps3/xbox version of the game and i can say:

EA made National Robotic League, but wtf who needs good graphic when players act like robo' idiots on the court.

Most of us here played basketball, god damn, when i saw few layups on ps3 version i was laughin few minutes, it looked so ugly, its far far away from smooth realistic gameplay,

MOST of DUNKS looks pretty bad, animations sux, who needs licenced players and their faces when they dont act on the floor like in real life NBA games- its same shit like Fifa 2008! a garbage, maybe worst.

It will be playable maybe, yeah without pg bugs but WTF is that ! Thats not the game for the year 2008.

I'm not going to say buy 2k8 cuz it sux too., maybe i'm asking a little bit too much but i will say wtf again ! and when i play demo PES2008 i know i'm not wrong.

I'd say buy the 360/Ps3 Live 2008 game and cry here on the forums cuz you will make same mistake like last year.

PC version is better then console version of the game cuz we have great patchers here on NLSC and they are saving Live every fckin' year!

[Metsis]

With no pun intended at anyone and without seeing the new Live yet, but here is a comment of reason... Which has almost nothing to do with the gameplay or anything.

Since they are still doing old versions and next gen stuff, you can expect that they will try to create functions and features that work on all of the platforms. When they ditch the old console platforms, then you can expect more "next gen" features, that probably were not doable with older consoles. This is just good reasoning and marketing.

Games are made to produce cash for the firms that create them. That's the bottom line and it all starts and ends there. Each and every company must respect the financials or be in ruins sooner rather than later. I could bet you that the guys doing these games really would want to do more, but there is only so little time and so little understanding from a financial point of view...

In this perspective, new physics model isn't exactly a hot commodity on the market, and if it cannot be realized with older platforms, then that's a lot of work done for something that is shown on 40% of the games that they put out. It is not cost effective. I'm not saying that its good or that this is great for us end users, but that's just how the show runs.

When they ditch the old generation then, the effects are shown in all of the games, thus making it more feasible financially. Make no mistake about it, this is a numbers game. If they don't add up, they don't make the cut...

But this is what its come down to... New stuff that requires a lot of work, need to show on the bottom line as well. Cause it certainly costs the firm tons of money to do them... It's not like the game creators are working for free.

[king2k]

Live 08 is better than 2k8? Just because you suck at dribbling the ball in 2k8? HAHAHAHAH good one.

Dude, no veteran 2k player has trouble with the dribbles, and seeing as how you dribble for 10 minutes trying to get to the basket, obviously you are no sim baller. And guess what, only realistic gamers will have a SLIGHT chance at beating the cpu.

[Playmakers]

the guys only stop if you pass it to them when they are not sutting for some reason. imagine if the didnt stop.the fast breaks would be even faster.

i dont really notice the skating, though. lower gamespeed covers that part.

The problem with fast breaks is tied in to the poor passing ratings assigned in the game and the low awareness by the players for off the ball movement.

The fast breaks become instantly better once you increase those two ratings of the players. You'll see more players recieving passes on the run without slowing down.

The game speed I agree does help to make things move more fluid. It's a nice game out the box with it's fair share of flaws. But it becomes and even better game with less of those flaws depending on if the user is willing to edit it like the guy's who play the PC version every year.

You can basically turn the game play into what you want it to be in most area's.

[fjccommish]

"It's these people who don't have the nerves/balls to tell EA listen fix this and fix that."

That's because they want those free trips and the MVP treatment. The problem is, they're not doing EA a service or the gamers a service by ignoring glaring problems.

If a session goes like this:

Player "Wow, there's no D."

EA "This is an early build, D is our top priority, but look at stuff besides the D"

Player "They're kind of sliding around."

EA "This is an early build. The physics are completely revamped. Look beyond the sliding."

Player "Editing and player lock are gone."

EA "Just while they're being adjusted for the next build. Look beyond those things."

Player "It's awfully easy to score down low, and isn't that PG being awfully aggressive?"

EA "This is an early build. Those things will be adjusted. Look beyond them. How about FIBA teams, and the signature shots, and the hot zones?"

Player "Those are good. Overall the game is good."

EA "Terrific. We'll take you to lunch now."

That session should go like this:

Player: "Wow, there's no D."

EA "This is an early build, D is our top priority, but look at stuff besides the D"

Player "I can't. D is a big part of professional basketball. Make the adjustments, then let me look at it when the D is in place."

EA "What about the signature shots, hot zones and FIBA?"

Player "I can't get past the lack of D. It's nothing like basketball. I don't know about those other things. Have someone in marketing run them up the flag pole to see if anyone salutes. But as far as game play, D is half the game. I can't tell how anything works if there's no D."