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Mon Jan 07, 2008 12:52 am

I think anyone is free to release a roster that is to be used with ILT.

for example: they don't include ILT's files, just tell the users:
"Go download ILT first then use my patch~" :)

hope you know what I mean.

Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:24 pm

Thanks Kris, I appreciate the warning. But I think I will run the risk. Either way I will be happy and keep using and enjoying it, and afterall that's why I made it. So I have nothing to lose to share it and if there are problems, it can be removed. I hope that if someone is unhappy I hope that they can see that I have tried to improve the game and build upon the work they already did. Not steal their work and take the credit for it. I have tried to give all credits where it's due.

If there is anything I have done that they want to use in a future patch, whether it be the roster or the sigshots, I'm more then happy for them to use it. Group efforts are always better then singular efforts, we can get twice as much done in half the amount of time. If I did everything from scratch this roster would have been released in April. :?

Release

Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:28 pm

NBA LIVE 08 Roster updated to Jan 9

Aim of roster is to be more simulation, less favouring of superstars, more favouring of teamplay with everything as accurate as possible.

Note that this roster is for 5on5 NBA basketball. I can't guarentee national teams or anything else will work well. I recommend using another roster for that.

Things you need installed to use this roster -

ILT1.0 by ignatus and Kris and clydeli and Maek
1x or 2x Realshoespatch 3.5 by CHNxiaoju
IRPT Roster with sgsm of rookies by Jimmy

Credits to these these people for the work they have done. They deserve all of the credit. I have tried to continue on where they left off, and further extend it.

Roster includes -

-Ratings. New ratings for 80% of players for each team (players that get playing time) based off season stats using rating machine 2.1 by cervantes, marco and Sostaco

-Hotspots. New hotspots for 80% of players of each team based off nba.com hotspots. The formula is very similar to default EA, blue will be 25% or less, black will be25%-37% and red will be 37%-70%

-Socks. Black away socks for all away teams, white socks for home teams. The only catch is headbands don't change colour for home and away. For most teams they wear away headband all the time. For a few teams, they have white and black headbands the samecolour as the socks.

-Lineups. Lineups current as of Jan 9 2008. For a few teams, some injured players might bein the lineup. This is because they are minor injuries and will be back within a week.For players that have indefinite injuries or are out for the season, they are on injured list. A few D-Leaguers might be missing, but chances are they'll be released from the team in a week or two anyway so it's not so important.

-Substitution fix. It's not taken from ILT but a new one. But it was inspired by Maeks, as it's similar but with a new formula to work with the sliders. After alot of testing, it was to make sure there is a good balance of fatigue and subs. The most important thing, usually 4 out of the 5 starters remain in the game in the clutch minutes of the forth. In real life every team has a different rotation, some go 7 deep, others go 10. It's hard for it to be accurate for all teams but this is the best we could do. It's important not to changethe substition frequency slider as it's the magic number, after alot of testing.

-Sigshots. Sigshots for nearly all active players using video footage and slowmos. Around 250. They aren't all perfect but are the best we can do given what we have been given by EA and ignatus who did a great job. The height of the jump is more realistic, the releases are quicker and in some cases fixes the problem of superstars getting blocked. Sigshots mean that you can't do fadeaways or leaners, so the players that do these alot have a leaner or fadeaway for their Go to Move. The only bad side is the release to too quick for somecpu shots. But unfortunately there is no way to fix that (that I know of). For user vs user gamesit's perfect.

-2x Sigshots. Some players have 2 sigshots that randomly are selected. This is mainly for legkick jumpers, like TMac and Kobe where sometimes they kick their leg and other times they don't. Or if they hold their hand up after a shot or not. The players that have this are TMac, Kobe, Rip, Chauncey, Mike Miller, Granger, Nash, Brian Cook, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, Luke Walton, Chris Bosh, Dwayne Wade and a couple others etc.

-Go to Moves. These new ones are for players that aren't superstars but do recognisable moves. Some players are stars and some are not. They are for floaters, fadeaways, leaners, hooks and things like this. If a player does a hook shot alot or a fadeaway they will probably have it as GTM. It's mostly for starters but a few bench players also have it. These are important because youcan't do fadeaways or leaners with sigshots enabled.

The general rule with the GTM's.. for a leaner, move fowards and press foward and shoot. For a hookor a fadeaway or something else, press backwards direction and shoot. It must be in the area like paint or post for hook shot, or midrange or three point line for fadeaway depending on the player.

-Shot distrubution. Primacy, offensive awareness/ability and things like this have been adjusted to try and distribute the shots more like in real life. It's very hard to test because there is a random element and just because someone gets 20 shots one game doens't mean they will in the next game but is pretty good now. Important thing to remember is the new ratings apply to the players within the team. So for example if a player has offensive awareness or primacy lowered, and you think he it should be higher because someone on another team has a higher rating, what's imporatnt is the rating compared to other players on the same team. As this is how shots are distributed. The aim was to have even scoring amongst the whole team, with the leading scorers in real life taking the most shots, and the PG's taking very few shots unless it's someone like AI or Billups.

-Inside scoring/Shooting range/score area. All of the inside scoring has been changed, and some ofthe others have been changed. Also clutch ratings have been changed for some.

-Fastbreaking. The speed of all players has been reduced a bit to decrease fastbreaks. After the change, the teams that fastbreak in real life still go nuts on fastbreaks, like Denver, Lakers etc but most teams don't fastbreak so much. Gamespeed can be increased if one feels the players aren't quick enough, however that might lead to unrealistic scores. It's currently optimised for 9 min quarters and between 90-110 final score.

-Body shapes, skin colours. Some body shapes, skin colors and other little things like headbands have been changed to reflect the real life counterparts. I can't guarantee every player is accuratebut if I've noticed something I've changed it. The change in skin colour is the reason for the sgsmfiles included, otherwise the face and body colour won't match.

-Dunks. Dunk ratings have been changed so that they happen less often and not as easily.

-Freestyle. some players have lost scorer/high flyer/playmaker status. And others have gained it. If you don't want to lose these changes don't go into edit player screen, and instead edit things using DBCommander or another .db editor. The same thing applies for overall ratings. If you do go into edit player screen, make sure not to save the roster and reload it to bring old ratings or fss back.

-Overall ratings have been changed for alot of players. Same thing with edit player screen.

-Realshoes. You need to use realshoes patch by CHNxiaoju otherwise the shoes will look wierd and wrong. If you use high res courts or jerseys you can use my 1x realshoes patch, and it will prevent crashes.

-Optional Lighting/arms - The lighting file is optional but is the best I have made so far and I really like it. It's made to work with Lagoa, my and Loosers courts and with Lean's 07 jerseys. The arms and legs are slightly modified colour and sweat layer optimised to work with the lighting file. Credits to pdub and SUM07.

-Optional jerseys - For a preview look at the jerseys in the court previews. They are Lean 07's with some slight colour changes, a reduction in the texture (kind of middle point between Lean and Lagoa's no texture jerseys) with new added 08 jerseys missing from Lean 07's. Credits to Lean, he really does the best jerseys, all I did was reduce texture and change some colours to work with the lighting file better. Also included are looser's euro preseason jerseys. Credits to looser.


INSTALLATION
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Unzip contents of rar to temporary location like desktop.
Each part in a seperate folder. Make sure you read the readme's in each folder for each part.

If anyone has a problem with what I have done you can ask for this roster to be removed, but I encourage you to take any part of this roster if you want to use it, for ILT or a future IRPT roster like I have with your work. This has taken alot of work and will most likely be my last patch for the season.. so it'd be good if someone else could do what I have done and take this roster and extend it one step further. I would love to see a day where each player could have 3 or 4 sigshots and gtm's each so that it's more random, but maybe I'm dreaming.

Hope you enjoy it as much as I do. :)

Again, credits to those mentioned above.. ignatus, Kris, clydeli, Maek, looser, Jimmy, CHNxiaoju, pdub, Lean

LINKS

Roster
http://files.filefront.com/WebberF1Roster1rar/;9421047;/fileinfo.html

Realshoespatch3.5 1x
http://files.filefront.com/1xrealshoespatch35zip/;9420956;/fileinfo.html
Last edited by WebberF1 on Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:41 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:36 pm

These are the players with new sigshots, keep in mind that some other players have sigshots, but they use someone elses and not a new one so they aren't on the list. Ignore the 1 55 thing for rudy gay, it's just the time on the game I used as source where he shot the ball.

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Same thing with GTM's, and it's easy to change yourself if you think someone else should use another persons GTM.

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I forgot to put it but Fisher's is a one armed hook type thing in the lane, that is also assigned to Ginobili.

Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:50 pm

This is i think the most longest post ever in the nlsc history and the most accurate well lets just say some highlight reels from the patch and i really like it keep it up webberf1 and btw do we still need to apply those sigshots and gtms to the rosters or it is now just included in the pack?Keep it up bro (Y)

Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:43 pm

Sorry for the double posting :mrgreen:

but bro ive tried the rosters ingame and it was actually really nice the cpu is having a very good defence on me but there is a major problem regarding the new animations that youve added like when you do a fade away shots to players like adonal foyle, al harrington and etc it just keep on crashing i think youve made some wrong modifications in the shot.act and in the shotcondition.act but anyways i really like it very much its just that it keeps on crashing when i do a fade away with some of the players :D

Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:24 pm

man,how did you do thees multiple sig-shots?Are yuo some kind of programmer?Man,I thaught that is imposible!!!

Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:38 pm

Holy Mcawesome!

Testing this sucker out, great release :D

Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:04 pm

goodlikesweeper wrote:man,how did you do thees multiple sig-shots?Are yuo some kind of programmer?Man,I thaught that is imposible!!!


There in no such multiple sig shots in here bro. :) just a Gtm and a sig shot for a player.

Re: Release

Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:13 pm

WebberF1 wrote:NBA LIVE 08 Roster updated to Jan 9

-2x Sigshots. Some players have 2 sigshots that randomly are selected. This is mainly for legkick jumpers, like TMac and Kobe where sometimes they kick their leg and other times they don't. Or if they hold their hand up after a shot or not. The players that have this are TMac, Kobe, Rip, Chauncey, Mike Miller, Granger, Nash, Brian Cook, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, Luke Walton, Chris Bosh, Dwayne Wade and a couple others etc.


what does this mean then?? :? :wink:

Anyway,I have a problem now.I can't change away shoes.Whatever shoe I chose,home show is displayed on the preview.Nothing changes.
I had 1x 3.0 shoes installed,and I just placed thouse files from 1x 3.5 do sgsm,and replaced all the files.And replaces thouse in common folder.What did I do wrong?

Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:23 pm

It means they have this sig shot like kobe and tmac does like a kicking shot in a normal shot and a fade away with a kick :)

Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:30 pm

yes,and hook hand too.So they are modified,but Kris,try Lebron.....two practicly different sig-shots.ILT sig-shot,and a faster one without the hookhand.Different....GOOOOD JOB WEBBER!!!!!!Just when I started loosing fate in this peace of crap EA called game!!!!
And,one thing:Can you change Carter sig-shot?VCheck out 2k8 shot Carter has.It's some leg kick,I don't know,just check it out and maybe it will give you idea.I don't like this one.It's like a robot.Animations didn't blend at all....and please,just one more thing:Ad a hook hand sometimes after you make the sig-shot.Carter does that alot. 8-)

Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:42 pm

goodlikesweeper wrote:
WebberF1 wrote:NBA LIVE 08 Roster updated to Jan 9

-2x Sigshots. Some players have 2 sigshots that randomly are selected. This is mainly for legkick jumpers, like TMac and Kobe where sometimes they kick their leg and other times they don't. Or if they hold their hand up after a shot or not. The players that have this are TMac, Kobe, Rip, Chauncey, Mike Miller, Granger, Nash, Brian Cook, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, Luke Walton, Chris Bosh, Dwayne Wade and a couple others etc.


what does this mean then?? :? :wink:

Anyway,I have a problem now.I can't change away shoes.Whatever shoe I chose,home show is displayed on the preview.Nothing changes.
I had 1x 3.0 shoes installed,and I just placed thouse files from 1x 3.5 do sgsm,and replaced all the files.And replaces thouse in common folder.What did I do wrong?
About the shoes, I thought it was always supposed to be like this. Makes me wonder if it's just been me this whole time. It's been like this for me since I started using real shoes patches. What I can say is that it shows the wrong shoes in the edit player screen preview part, but in game it shows the correct ones. So if you make sure you select the right one, ignore the preview and check it straight ingame, and see if it has the right shoes? Hopefully it will be ok but it's a bit annoying yeah.

You are right about the sigshots. They are 2 sigshots + 1 gtm for some players. Basically, you just need to make a second entry, call it kobe2 for example, and give it the same number (that you put in sigsht in roster). So you have two sigshots with the same number, and the game randomly alternates them. I found this out at first by mistake, but it turned out to be a good mistake. It works ok for me, if you go into individual practice with Kobe or Tmac or Michael redd, if you shoot 5 times it should do no legkick once or twice? It's like that for me over here on my screen. :) For Chris Bosh, it's sometimes that he holds his hand up after the shot, and other times he doesn't. It wouldn't surprise me if this also worked for GTM's but I haven't tried it.

About Carter, the game I have Nets vs Kings, he did about 5 times the shot that I made for him when he was wide open for 3. The basic thing I tried to do is the shot that somebody does when they are wide open, that's the shot I tried to make for sigshot. And the shot they do when they are trying to shoot over someone with hand in there face, tried to make that the GTM. I could maybe make a second sigshot for him, but could you find some youtube video of it? Because in the game I have he didn't do any shots like so it's hard to know what it looks like.

Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:54 pm

Kris wrote:Sorry for the double posting :mrgreen:

but bro ive tried the rosters ingame and it was actually really nice the cpu is having a very good defence on me but there is a major problem regarding the new animations that youve added like when you do a fade away shots to players like adonal foyle, al harrington and etc it just keep on crashing i think youve made some wrong modifications in the shot.act and in the shotcondition.act but anyways i really like it very much its just that it keeps on crashing when i do a fade away with some of the players :D
I was worried about this. With so many players with new shots it's hard to test them all. The GTMs are the hardest to test. I need beta testers. :oops: If you don't mind, can you let me know which players crash. I had problems with Harrington when I made it, I thought I fixed it but will have another look. So it's just Harrington and Foyle crashing or is there others?

Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:42 pm

My game crash wenn I shoot with Iverson.BTW your patch is good but I don't like Nuggets gear, black sleeve away?it would be better a gold sleeve, and why are you create sleeve for melo and ai, you need to create headshape.That patch need a lot of work, to be very good.

Sorry my poor english.

Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:50 pm

Do we need the ILT animation files for this patch to work?
Also, is it possible that u can make a .bat file (only for assigning sigs and GTMs) so that we can apply this to other rosters as well?
Thanks in advance!

Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:58 pm

Yes it should be awesome if you can create batch files! (Y)

Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:59 pm

AI3, the problem is if you make the sleeve gold, the black socks will become gold as well. I will check into the iverson crash.

njkobe, yes you need the animation files from ILT, that's why you need to install this after you install ILT. I will see what happens with the batch file, all I can say right now is I'm very tired and this took alot of time to make.

Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:07 am

its AWESOME but Vince Carter have to little dunks only two freestyle dunks too little dunks on freestyle for Carter :(


Sorry my bad english

Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:17 am

well i got a big problem here i tried some like lebron, t-mac it worked but when i tried dwade it crashed out and now i try to run individual practice the game crashes man plzz fix it its an excellent patch it improved the game but not 100% soo plzz keep working

Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:26 am

how to make than scoreboard would be in this place: http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/977/grizzcourt3hd9ez0.jpg ?

Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:30 am

Hey dude,this is what I was talking about:
VEEE CEEE THREEEEEE!!!!!!!! :lol:

he set some club record on this game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qOP-y71_qo

there you can see the hook hand and a 9 jump shots.Hope it helps!!

Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:30 am

Not sure yplonas, maybe you could ask pdub. All I did was a texture update.

Damn about the crashes. :(

Can anyone else confirm that Iverson crashes? I just tried it and it doesn't crash for me. Harrington GTM crashed, but I have fixed that now. But for Iverson it's hard for me to fix, if it doesn't crash for me. :(

Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:45 am

Thanks goodlikesweeper that helps alot.

Wade doesn't crash for me either. I don't understand. And iverson is default from ILT, I didn't change it so the reason for the crashes is confusing. :?

Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:55 am

hmm...I want to change font of result, quarters and time..where is files of them ?
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