The "How is your Dynasty/Association going" Thread

[kibaxx7]

It has come to a point where, everytime I sim a couple of months in an association, I go and try to acquire Odom. He has to be my favorite baller after Manu.

[Lamrock]

Pondering whether it's worth waiting for Real 2K Insider rosters still. They are still weeks away from being Association ready (his rosters need to be remade with the game's rookies put in) but do make a huge difference for me. Been a while since I went with the game's rosters though.

I'd suggest waiting. With a good set of rosters and sliders, you'll play the one Association for a while. Otherwise you'll just start a new one when he releases his rosters.

OS member bedwardsroy19 looks to have made a good PS3 roster, which has just been re-made and improved with the game's rookies in it. He released in last few days so will probably download it on the weekend and start a 14 game Association.

Just pondering which team to use. There's always Minnesota, but I used them in 2K11. Need a non-playoff team with decent unis and court. I might make an exception for the Nuggets who might be fun. Maybe I'll pick a bottom five team instead.

Yeah, hopefully it'll be coming in the next couple weeks. As for a team, I'd recommend going with the Bobcats. Bad team. Jerseys... could be worse.

[Fresh8]

Nice coverage Jao. Keep us up-to-date on how your C's go.

Should I do Lakers or Wolves?

Depends if you want to try and win a title straight away.

Actually, maybe you can just do Lakers and trade Gasol, Peace, 1st rounders & pieces for Love & Rubio & you get best of both Worlds

I might wait a little bit and then start. I want good rosters and need to think about what team to use

[The X]

Pondering whether it's worth waiting for Real 2K Insider rosters still. They are still weeks away from being Association ready (his rosters need to be remade with the game's rookies put in) but do make a huge difference for me. Been a while since I went with the game's rosters though.

I'd suggest waiting. With a good set of rosters and sliders, you'll play the one Association for a while. Otherwise you'll just start a new one when he releases his rosters.

OS member bedwardsroy19 looks to have made a good PS3 roster, which has just been re-made and improved with the game's rookies in it. He released in last few days so will probably download it on the weekend and start a 14 game Association.

Just pondering which team to use. There's always Minnesota, but I used them in 2K11. Need a non-playoff team with decent unis and court. I might make an exception for the Nuggets who might be fun. Maybe I'll pick a bottom five team instead.

Yeah, hopefully it'll be coming in the next couple weeks. As for a team, I'd recommend going with the Bobcats. Bad team. Jerseys... could be worse.

Boobcats, I dunno. Don't want to go back there for some reason. Since Live '04 I've used following: Nuggets (Live '04), Bobcats (Live '05), Knicks & Blazers (Live '06), Bucks (2K10) & T-wolves (2K11). The trend is that all teams have stunk & were all bottom 5/10 teams. Nuggets had just drafted Melo, Bobcats were expansion franchise, Knicks were Isiah's crap, Blazers were the Jailblazers, Bucks sucked & T-wolves were turrible.

So who is turrible now? Wizards (can't stand Wall); Charlotte (don't want to use them again); New Jersey (haven't moved to Brooklyn yet so they are out); Detroit (they're a possibility & seem consistent on the type of team that I would choose); New Orleans (don't want to touch them), Phoenix (nah) or Sacramento (Cousins, Evans, eww).

So looking at that list, Detroit is the sort of mediocre team going nowhere quick that fits my criteria. Houston is intriguing with Yao gone & stuck in mediocrity, but I don't think I'd use them. Toronto is another bad team but Valco is coming over next year, but they'll still be bad.

[Justine.]

How about 76ers?

[karlsanada10]

Awesome match-up against the Bulls yesterday! We went to 2nd OT.First, I missed the potential buzzer beater by Anthony Parker. The next one, Drose drove then score with a lay-up over Varejao. I was surprised by that! But then, we took a 6pt lead to seal the game. 129-135.


Varejao as the Player of the game with
40pts+, 12reb, 5asts. He was knocking back and forth. It was crazy!

Tmac had 30pts and 10asts

Irving has 16pts 12asts.

[Lamrock]

The X, My taste for 82 game seasons tend to kill my rebuilding associations. Wizards are the league's worst team but have hiedous court/jerseys and are overrated by the game. Moving the Hornets could be an option. Phoenix tempted me as they have no talent outside of Nash, Hill and Gortat, but I'm on that team in My Player now. Golden State may be worth considering. Mama, There Goes That X Association?

[The X]

The X, My taste for 82 game seasons tend to kill my rebuilding associations. Wizards are the league's worst team but have hiedous court/jerseys and are overrated by the game. Moving the Hornets could be an option. Phoenix tempted me as they have no talent outside of Nash, Hill and Gortat, but I'm on that team in My Player now. Golden State may be worth considering. Mama, There Goes That X Association?

Golden State are definitely worth considering. I'd have to put in place some self-imposed guidelines (i.e. no trading for other team's 1st rd picks, cpu trades off until 2 weeks prior to trade deadline & off the rest of time but draft day - bug in game so you can't stop that, etc). I think I let myself down slightly by doing Flynn for EG & 1st Rounder. In the game Flynn was worth more than EG, but I guess I should've waited for better rosters to come out or rated Flynn down since he's turrible (will never know why they picked him over Stephen Curry).

I'm thinking 14 game Association where I play all division foes (4 games) plus half (every 2nd game) of rest of Conference (5 games). So play 9, sim 5. As for playoffs, dunno what format is best, factoring in whether I should play all or sim some. Would probably prefer to sim some.

If I do it, I'll just post updates in here rather than give its own thread due to lack of time/care factor. Anyways, would be pretty audacious to try to pro-rata 14 game seasons

[mpac]

I started playing 2k12 in PS3 (before im playing in PC until my machine broke down), I am now using lakers as I am having a hard time winning with low rating teams (since im just a newbie hehe). And I like to experiment on using KObe and using my favorite team's archrival as Im a Celtic fan. hehe

So far so good we are now 12-1 and on a 9 game winning streak. Later will be playing against Orlando. Kobe averaging 34pts 4reb 7asst and 3 stls (3.1 TO per game hehe) Gasol is 16 pts per game. Other than that, all are averaging in single digits including bynum hehe. Enjoying the association as we always won by a small margin, only loss is against Hornets by 6 pts.


Trades: so far I got ronnie brewer and robin lopez. I forgot the combination of the trades but basically i trade away luke walton, mcroberts and my future picks. My target is getting ricky rubio to team up with kobe bynum and gasol but still i failed to find the right pieces

[karlsanada10]

Simmed to the playoffs. 2nd seed with my Cavs vs. Bobcats. I lost 2 games streak.-.- and it's a freakin' close game! First game, I failed a potential buzzer beater shot that could win us! 107-108. Game 2, Few seconds left, my defense broke, passed to Tyrus Thomas, knocked down the shot. 107-109.-.- Killed them on 3rd game though with 8pts lead.

And started the playoffs with T-Mac, Irving, and Varejao injured.

[Stress Fracture]

Chris Paul would leave the Clippers after this season. 2k12 made a hint on that.

Started a 14-game association with Lob City. I used the official roster update from 2K. Traded Mo and Caron to the Rockets for Martin and Budinger (it was a steal, as K-Mart was tearing up defenses. ). Ended up 6th in the West, then got eliminated by the Lakers in the 2nd round.

Paul didn't re-sign (he went to Phoenix to team up with Nash), so Chauncey was left in my team (which only re-signed for a year). I then traded K-Mart to the Nets for their 1st overall pick and MarShon Brooks. Because of that, I had a whopping $30M in my salary cap. I signed Beasley, Mayo, Dragic, and Eddy Curry. Season 2 is underway.

[karlsanada10]

Semifinals.

Almost lost to Atlanta on the 2nd game. 98-97(me). 10seconds, passed to Irving make a drive. Make a leaner, no-go. When suddenly! Tracy McGrady did a put back dunk leaving a 1.1seconds and we led by one. They didn't knock the buzzer beating shot though.

[rise]

Nearly got a 30/30/10 game in 2k11 My Player today. 30-something points, 29 ASSISTS, and 11 rebounds. Meanwhile, superstar Rodney Stuckey put up 50/8/9 against me. He is absolutely impossible to stop four years into the My Player mode. He averages 27ppg and 8apg and he's single-handedly carrying an otherwise TERRIBLE Pistons team to the playoffs. Luckily I beat the Pistons in that game.

[Stress Fracture]

FInished the 2nd season with my Clippers.

Finished 9th in the West. Nuggets won the championship against the Hawks. Gallinari named MVP. The 1st round draft pick that I got from the Kevin Martin trade became 1st overall. Got Serge Ibaka from FA.

3rd season is underway.

[karlsanada10]

Lost twice in Atlanta. Damnit. Close games, it's like 4-6pts lead. I forgot the score but it's above 100. Bad shooting across the court. First game, T-Mac got 37pts. Then the next game, he only had 21 still good. Irving, who's suffering from an injury, cannot make points but can still pass. Estimation ppg on that last 2 games was 7pts. Assists is good, 10asts on both.

[mpac]

now at 22-6 standing. Got bored in the current lineup of the lakers and also 2 game losing streak had me find some trade pieces for Bynum and blake. I found few interesting ones but managed to get this deal:

Lakers get:
Granger
Hibbert
Hansborough
2012 1st pick

Pacers get:
Bynum
Barnes
Blake
2012 2nd pick

Despite the fact that our payroll became worse, I still got excited on having Lakers new big three with kobe gasol and granger! Had my first game against GSW, Monta is unstoppable and we fell behind by 20 at 3rd, then suddenly we got close with 3 threes from granger but managed to only got close by 2 pts and eventually lost by 6 pts.
- Granger seems to be an all around player though i still need to learn how to play both him and kobe
- Hansborough is good inside. maybe a good role player/prospect for now
- Hibbert gets tired easily and is so far disappointing
- meta world peace's role has slipped down to being sixth man, in which he doesnt like

lets see if i improved on my next game vs clippers. I think i will make my lineup kobe at PG, granger at SG, world peace at SF, then gasol and hibbert.

[karlsanada10]

Defeated Atlanta. Witwew. Sessions and Johnson are the one who give me headaches. Johnson cannot be defended.-.- He willgather then knock everything. But still managed to go on a run and defeat them. Now, we have to face the best team in our conference, Miami Heat! Won with a few lead. @West though, 3rd seed, Portland Blazers vs 8th seed, LA Clippers. LAC lost twice now.

[The X]

Found a great roster and good sliders from OS for PS3. Started a Nuggets Association with 14 game seasons, but added Wilson Chandler to my IR (using my MLE as if it was a one year qualifying offer) to stay there until March. Also added Euro rookies to Toronto, Houston & Chicago. Got 2012 & 2013 proper draft classes & random ones for 2014 & 2015, all edited to fit with roster. Then I started Association. Game plays great with the roster. The guy has done a superb job with tendencies and playbooks. Only problem is I don't know if I can handle using 2K12's Association Mode anymore.

Examples:

- Pacers gave George Hill an extension 5 years with 1 year team option. I adjusted this to 3 years with 1 year team option since I figure that's what the new CBA dictates. Pacers aren't going to waste their one & only 5 year contract on George Hill (e.g. T-wolves foolishly didn't give their one to Love IRL).

- Same sort of thing happened for Nate Robinson.

- Then the vets started getting contract extensions, some of which I was fine, some not so.


I can handle updating contract lengths, it's easy enough on extension. Will be a bit of a burden in off-season though. Don't know if I can handle dealing with all the other crap that will happen. You see, this great set of rosters is finely edited so that gameplay is great & sim stats are good, but the downside is that overall ratings don't always reflect a true player's worth. The roster maker doesn't care about overalls (& rightly so) because 2K the game does a questionable job of calculating overalls. The major problem is that 2K Association logic is based on things like player age, potential & overall rating (relative to position). I can forsee there being some issues with signings (contract size etc) due to these factors. I do have CPU trades turned OFF but plan to turn them back on 2 weeks prior to trade deadline then turn them off again for off-season (although 2K has a bug where there are still draft day trades even if turned OFF). I'm also worried about roster imbalance. Maybe I just need to suck it up & deal with it since I don't want to run a 30 team Association.

Maybe I can edit player contracts (from other teams) to reflect closer to what their market value would be where I'm disgusted by them. I can also use CPU trade override to help other teams with roster imbalance.

Thoughts? Maybe I need to come up with some single player Association guideline for a better Association experience. If so, I'll post. Otherwise I'm tempted to shelve NBA 2K12 for good & give College Hoops 2K8 a go, even if its gameplay is dated.

[hova-]

I agree. They should get rid of the overall rating as it does not help anybody. Rather split it up in five big ratings, then consider the player's role, his age/potential, position and maybe his playing type, meaning if a SG is a shooter and there are already three shooters on the team, he won't be signed/traded for.

I'm also editing contracts all the time. What does 2k think: Brandon Rush signing for five years/10M $. That's a crippled contract that would never happen IRL.

[karlsanada10]

What a game on my 3rd game against Miami. I thought we would lose it. T-Mac saved the day! Knocked 3pt shot @ .6 seconds.

[Lamrock]

Found a great roster and good sliders from OS for PS3. Started a Nuggets Association with 14 game seasons, but added Wilson Chandler to my IR (using my MLE as if it was a one year qualifying offer) to stay there until March. Also added Euro rookies to Toronto, Houston & Chicago. Got 2012 & 2013 proper draft classes & random ones for 2014 & 2015, all edited to fit with roster. Then I started Association. Game plays great with the roster. The guy has done a superb job with tendencies and playbooks. Only problem is I don't know if I can handle using 2K12's Association Mode anymore.

Examples:

- Pacers gave George Hill an extension 5 years with 1 year team option. I adjusted this to 3 years with 1 year team option since I figure that's what the new CBA dictates. Pacers aren't going to waste their one & only 5 year contract on George Hill (e.g. T-wolves foolishly didn't give their one to Love IRL).

- Same sort of thing happened for Nate Robinson.

- Then the vets started getting contract extensions, some of which I was fine, some not so.


I can handle updating contract lengths, it's easy enough on extension. Will be a bit of a burden in off-season though. Don't know if I can handle dealing with all the other crap that will happen. You see, this great set of rosters is finely edited so that gameplay is great & sim stats are good, but the downside is that overall ratings don't always reflect a true player's worth. The roster maker doesn't care about overalls (& rightly so) because 2K the game does a questionable job of calculating overalls. The major problem is that 2K Association logic is based on things like player age, potential & overall rating (relative to position). I can forsee there being some issues with signings (contract size etc) due to these factors. I do have CPU trades turned OFF but plan to turn them back on 2 weeks prior to trade deadline then turn them off again for off-season (although 2K has a bug where there are still draft day trades even if turned OFF). I'm also worried about roster imbalance. Maybe I just need to suck it up & deal with it since I don't want to run a 30 team Association.

Maybe I can edit player contracts (from other teams) to reflect closer to what their market value would be where I'm disgusted by them. I can also use CPU trade override to help other teams with roster imbalance.

Thoughts? Maybe I need to come up with some single player Association guideline for a better Association experience. If so, I'll post. Otherwise I'm tempted to shelve NBA 2K12 for good & give College Hoops 2K8 a go, even if its gameplay is dated.

In 2K9 and 2K10, I set out to edit bad contracts, and was pretty strict about it. What would happen is I'd start an association in season 2, then have to edit all of the free agency signings (especially the D-League and Undrafted centers who sometimes get DeAndre Jordan deals) Unfortunately, it would take a very long time and sucks all the fun out of it pretty quick.

It's been like five years since I legitimately won it all so I decided the CPU teams don't need my help. I don't believe the new CBA provisions are in this game, so I don't worry about that extra year on extensions. Furthermore, it'll be a little more realistic seeing teams go deep into the luxury tax in later years with the old CBA. Personally, I don't think it's worth editing player contracts if you are only doing a 14 game season. You're already going to get crazy results due to the small sample size, so you may as well have fun with it. Micromanaging is my favorite part of Association Mode, but it's not as fun to bring a team to the top when you're pulling strings for the rest of the association.

The CPU GM's have different (and obviously worse) mindsets than real ones in terms of giving out contracts, but ultimately, they can more than fend for themselves. Ultimately, it's up to you. I'd personally recommend focusing on played games at first, and only editing contracts that are absolutely hideous (5 yrs, $10 mil for a guy worth $2 mil a year is uncommon but not totally unreasonable). I do love that 2K's association mode has "DBF edit"-esque features though. The ability to edit players during association mode, as well as have custom draft classes is why I could never go back to EA.

I'm rambling at this point, but I wouldn't mind contributing to an Association guideline. We probably do things a little differently, but I think I've come up with some creative workarounds.

btw, I keep CPU trades on because keeping them off kills the Chemistry of the league's deeper teams (teams with talented 2nd/3rd stringers won't be able to trade them when they get pissed off about not getting minutes)

[The X]

Thanks for your input mate. Was hoping you'd come across my post. I think you're right about most things, I need to do what I did with 2K11 & not worry about contracts & who owns draft picks (maybe with exception of giving Minny one to Hornets). I agree that it's good that you can edit stuff, so I might just pick out the outliers or really horrid contracts. In 2K11 I didn't mind Hawes for $10-$11 mill per year because frankly I thought it had a chance of occurring in real life in a centre-starved league.

I'm rambling at this point, but I wouldn't mind contributing to an Association guideline. We probably do things a little differently, but I think I've come up with some creative workarounds.

I'll create a thread in these forums and start to put something together. I figure there will be the core guidelines that any Association would follow (if you're even remotely sim) just to get around some 2K12 issues & then some optional guidelines for tougher Association experience so you can't cheese.


EDIT: Can't be bothered spending time doing thread just for your's, mine & hova's amusement. Instead I'll just quickly post some stuff here.

Good thread that you my have seen from OS here: http://www.operationsports.com/forums/n ... ience.html

And to cherry pick some that I like from it:

step 3: everyone likes to make trades, that is fine, however you CAN NOT trade the player on your team with the highest trade value.

Had I used this rule in my T-wolves Association, I could not have dealt Jonny Flynn to Clippers for EG & 1st Rder (which ended up being top 3). I feel bad about that trade, even though sim & 2K11 default Flynn was beast & wound up better than EG & an All-Star, but still, if I had this rule in place I couldn't have dealt Flynn, my highest valued player at the time.

step 4: in the trade process, you CAN NOT trade your current or future first round pick, even if you acquire another first rounder from another team. all first round picks must be kept. you may make that involves swapping 1st rounders (must be for same year) if it follows the guidelines as far as a players contract

I know this isn't for everyone, but I like to hold onto my picks. I would add to this rule & state that you can't hold more than two first round picks (and only one lottery) for any one year.

I don't agree with allowing swapping 1st round picks. For me, it's a big no-no.

step 5: when trading, you may only acquire players with 1 year left on their contract or any players with 2 years left ONLY if the contract total is less than 10 mill. YOU MAY NOT ACQUIRE any player with 3 or more years left on their contract.

I think this is a good one if you are rebuilding mode (unless you are using thee Bucks )

step 6: you may sign whoever you want from free agency during the season. but offseason you may only sign 2 players you plan on starting and 1 mid level player coming off the bench ( you may sign as many "bench warmers" as needed to fill your roster).

my free agency rule is simple: you may only sign 2 players who you plan on making a starter, and only 1 mid level bench player. (this is each season, not all time). the reason you do this is to ensure you still have cap room for any young talent you drafted when its time to extend.

I kind of do this anyway, never build a whole roster in one year.

the reason you must have team chemistry and player roles turned on is because the more trades you make, the lower the team chemistry goes. the lower the team chemistry, the worse the team plays...at first. player roles ensures you are making roster moves that make sense. you need to have 5 starters, 1 6th man, and 2 role players. everyone else must have the role of bench warmer. this adds another level of difficult with who you keep on your team, your goal should always be to have a solid team morale.

I agree with this, although I would add an exception that you're allowed one player in the first 2 years of their career to be considered a prospect. That's only one prospect per roster.

[Houndy]

I'm trying to find a middle of the road team to do an association with. Any ideas?

[skotas28]

After all these roster updates and rookie addition, decided to go with a Pacers. (All-Star level, 12min, dont remember whos rosters and sliders).
Even tho it looked as a solid team, somehow I am not a big fan of D.Granger, so before the season started traded him away.

Was hoping for 40-44 win season (82games) and 6-7th place in the East. But as the season started, just could not get it going, was under 50% all the time untill 14-17 and 10th in the East. That was enough. Made like a 3 different trades untill I got K.Love. It turned out to be a missing peace in a killing machine , since the K.Love arrival i am 11-1, 25-18 tied for the 4th in the East, 2 games behind 2nd spot. Unfortunately Heat is 35-8, dont think I catch up..

Roster:

PG. D.Collison
SG P.George
SF. L.Deng
PF K.Love
C R. Hibbert

6th G.Hill PG/sg
7th T.Hansbrough PF
8th M.Webster SG/sf
9th C.Brewer SF
10th D. Jordan C
11th K.Korver SG/sf
12th R. Price PG
IR E.Clark
IR N.Pekovic

Scoring leader P.George 19.8, Rebounding K.Love 11.9 (does 14.9 since arrived to pacers), Assists D. Collison 6.6, Blocks R.Hibbert 1.4

New aim for the season is 50wins, and to get to the 2nd round in the playoffs. If avoid Heat, then Eastern Finals, but I dont think I can beat Heat in a best of 7 series, one-two games yes, not four.

[shabba_93]

Can anyone recomend a decent slider set I can use on PS3? trying to get my Wizards Assosiation going finally, I'm liking bedwardsroy19's roster so I think I'm going to go with that but I just can find a decent enough slider set. There either way to hard or just plain rubbish. I was thinking maybe truegamers slider if they're any good.