The Gay thread

by **Bill Russell** on Tue Mar 16, 2004 2:27 pm

Well I think we never discussed homossexuality... What do you think about it?

by **GloveGuy** on Tue Mar 16, 2004 2:44 pm

Well regarding gay marriage, I'm in favor of it. Love is love, and if it's shared in a sexual manner between two people of the same sex, I don't see the difference of it being between a man and a woman.

We're living in an era where gays are more accepted into out society, where public affection between two men or two women is not uncommon. Policies like the military's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" and things that might be or could eventually be in the Constitution are outdated, and need to be adjusted to keep up with our culture.

Homophobes or conservatives might be against gay marriage because they think that it's morally incorrect, but much like how racists are against blacks or hispanics being given equal rights to whites, doesn't mean they should be denied these rigths.

The Constitution should be changed so it fits in with our culture and our society. Gays might be the subject of jokes, much like how races and religions are, but it doesn't mean they shouldn't be given equal rights. It's love and they should be able to share that love through a legal binding.

by **J@3** on Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:13 pm

I think lesbians should rule the World. And constantly display their love. The hot ones that is, not those big butch ones who wear flannelette shirts and have buzzcuts. As for gay blokes, I have no problems with them as long as they don't touch me. Or think about touching me. Or tell someone they're thinking about touching me. Actually, just stay about 5 metres away from me at all times.

by **nublu01** on Tue Mar 16, 2004 5:34 pm

Homophobes or conservatives might be against gay marriage because they think that it's morally incorrect, but much like how racists are against blacks or hispanics being given equal rights to whites,

many people are against gay marriage because GAY MARRIAGE is morally wrong.
white supremacists are against equal rights for blacks because WHITE SUPREMACISTS are morally wrong. NOT the other way around.
thus, the two scenarios are NOT alike.

Well regarding gay marriage, I'm in favor of it. Love is love,

if you are saying gay marriage is allowed because of simple reason of "love is love", then are you saying that incest (marriage/sex amongst family members) is allowed because of such reason? is it truly OK for people to have sex and marry whomever they choose if they really love one another regardless of the situation and condition?

We're living in an era where gays are more accepted into out society, where public affection between two men or two women is not uncommon.

just because such act is becoming more common does not make it morally correct. perhaps, it means that the world is becoming more corrupt. the rate of homicides and crimes are ever increasing year after year and becoming more common. does that mean homicides should perhpas be viewed as morally correct? i understand that the example is too extreme but it is the same idea.

there is a set of standard moral and ethical codes that the society follows. just because the code is challenged does not mean it should be changed.

regardless, it is the nature of human to challenge and rebel against the rules. kids do not like to do what their parents tell them to do, and adults do not like to do what the law tells them to do. thus, although wrong, people will refuse to abide and commit the wrong.

i believe, in the end, the law will be amended to allow gay marriage. other cases, such as legalization of cloning of human may not be so far off either. perhaps, even the most atrocious unethical behavior would be not so atrocious (or even be ok) in a century or two? (gay marriage, prostitution, pornography, sex-change operation were perceived as such, couple of centuries ago. time has surely changed)

it's inevitable

simply put, the act is immoral, but so is the society. evil does not see wrong in evil.... good does.

by **Stevan** on Tue Mar 16, 2004 10:41 pm

damn Tales, I thought this was going to be a thread where we can insert gay jokes and Stockalone references, sort of to stop us doing it all over the board :lol:

Good thread idea I guess, let all the homophobes air out some thoughts.

It was fairly obvious that I'd throw in my 69 cents on this topic.

I personally don't understand the desire to have sex with members of the same sex, and while the notion does frustrate me a little (men on men) I try not to judge too much because I don't have that desire. Like I've said before, as was put forward by Eddie Murphy once upon a time, if so-and-so wants to go suck some dick, then good for them. So the physical act, that's up to the individual. What really pisses me off, is the attitude, and how the behaviour of individuals changes once they 'come out'. The acquisition of the lisp, the walk, the flailing arms as they talk, the crossing of the legs while sitting down, the overuse of words such as "honey" and "sweetie" and "darling" and so on. You can be a homosexual and act like a normal man and not like some fuckin nancy. Those who adopt the stereotypes are the ones that bring out the homophobe in me. :twisted:

Ofcourse like Jae said, I embrace the double standard of girl on girl action

There's always that sense that if they're willing to get with eachother, they'll have no problem letting a guy join in so he can split the double team (y)

Now where are Slam Harder and Psycho Jakal? We await your commentry

just because such act is becoming more common does not make it morally correct. perhaps, it means that the world is becoming more corrupt. the rate of homicides and crimes are ever increasing year after year and becoming more common. does that mean homicides should perhpas be viewed as morally correct? i understand that the example is too extreme but it is the same idea.

I personally don't understand how gay sex is immoral? Who is being wronged or hurt (apart from the poor bastard taking it up the poop shute)? I suppose you can argue it from the perspective that gay sex has somehow through time resulted in the socially constructed stereotypes, which have in turn brought us "Queer Eye For a Straight Guy" and hurt our ears and eyes. Now that shit is wrong and the any ethics or morals code of conduct needs to be ammended!! "Though shall not force 5 gay men on to a straight in order to change his ways".

by **Filip** on Wed Mar 17, 2004 12:45 am

1. I don't think that a homosexual couple should be able to adopt unless the child in mather of speak is homeless and alone. Why: because it's unnaturaly to have two fathers/mothers, it's upside down and crazy and shouldn't happend unless the little exception that I mentioned is.

2. Gay marriage are alright and should be allowed. It dosen't really concern anybody except the couple themselves. Let them do what they want as long as it's only envolves them.

3. I have no problems with gay people at all I would say. I wouldn't mind to have a friend that's homosexuel (maybe I already do, who knows). Though I have to admit I'm having a bit of double standard of morailty since I still make gay jokes about every day. But I just can't help mysef(as if that is any excuse :roll:

).

Anyway what I know about I only know one gay guy (he is bisexual to be more specific) and that's a relative (the only black/mulatto man in my 200 big family btw :shock:

) that I basicly only have contacts with on MSN. I have only meet him once but would like to meet him more times.

by **GloveGuy** on Wed Mar 17, 2004 3:15 am

many people are against gay marriage because GAY MARRIAGE is morally wrong.

That's strictly opinion. Opinion and individual morals shouldn't be getting in the way of equal rights.

if you are saying gay marriage is allowed because of simple reason of "love is love", then are you saying that incest (marriage/sex amongst family members) is allowed because of such reason? is it truly OK for people to have sex and marry whomever they choose if they really love one another regardless of the situation and condition?

Incest is not nearly as common as homosexual relationships. While gays might not be more common then they were 20 years ago, they're more open, and more accepted.

Actually, I'm into the more metrosexual lifestyle. A lot of women seem to be into that. I try to keep my hair nice and I care a lot about the way I dress. I'd like to compare myself to Derek Zoolander except I'm not stupid.

by **Jackal** on Wed Mar 17, 2004 3:25 am

Tales, I thought we would keep our relationship off of the forums...it's over buster. :oops:

by **Filip** on Wed Mar 17, 2004 3:33 am

Metrosexual lifestyle is sissystuff, it's like taking away a part of the masculine side of yourself. I can understand gay people more than metrosex. people.

by **Andreas Dahl** on Wed Mar 17, 2004 4:59 am

I have nothing again homosexuals at all realy...
I think they should be able to enter marriage. I don't see why not... Nor do I quite see why they shouldn't be able to adopt... A parent is a parent, and that's realy all most of the orphans wan't and/or need.

I don't see how it's moraly wrong for two people, that love eachother, to get married, ether sexes...

And like what Stevan said, those people who are ambiguously gay, aka the meterosexuals, tend do get realy damn annoying (most of the time :wink:

)

by **GloveGuy** on Wed Mar 17, 2004 5:14 am

Not all metrosexuals are flamboyantly metro.

Many athletes are metrosexuals. You could call guys like Kobe, Ray Allen, and Michael Jordan metrosexuals. Even Kendall Gill (his toiletries rack was huge on MTV's Cribs) is a metrosexual.

Outside of basketball, you've got David Beckham, Alex Rodriguez, Derek Jeter, and Jason Sehorn.

A metrosexual isn't a man possessing all the qualities of a flamboyantly gay man except he's still straight. It's not like that. It's a different breed.

Some of you might be metrosexuals and not know it. Test yourself HERE

by **Jackal** on Wed Mar 17, 2004 6:10 am

I don't have a problem with gay people marrying, but adoption...it's difficult. It might effect the child. I cant say what I think about the adoption part...I would feel really bad for that child, he/she would be teased alot, given that homosexuality is not completely accepted in our daily life. Thus, as long as people are out there that have a problem with gay people, children adopted by gay parents will be teased/made fun of.

People/Life can be a bitch, eh? :roll:

by **New School # 23** on Wed Mar 17, 2004 6:48 am

I hate gays..

by **Andreas Dahl** on Wed Mar 17, 2004 7:11 am

Good point New School...
You might wan't to actually say why you hate them.
Then your oppinion wouldn't be so very ignored...

Anyways;
Here, in Sweden, homosexuals are not allowed to ingo mirrage, but they can have something simular, caled partnership/partnerhood.
And if they are partners, they are allowed to adopt.
So they are not allowed to marry each other, but they can adopt :wink:

by **benji** on Wed Mar 17, 2004 8:20 am

You can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think in all the Scandnavian countries co-habitation has been implemented. Where you get pretty much all the benefits of being married without being married. The out of wedlock rate of births has exploded, people see no reason to get married, etc.

Homophobes or conservatives might be against gay marriage because they think that it's morally incorrect, but much like how racists are against blacks or hispanics being given equal rights to whites, doesn't mean they should be denied these rigths.

The Constitution should be changed so it fits in with our culture and our society. Gays might be the subject of jokes, much like how races and religions are, but it doesn't mean they shouldn't be given equal rights.

Homosexuals and heterosexuals are not equal however. Homosexuals cannot produce a child without a third party.

Allowing gay marriage does not fit our culture and society. Banning it does. Three-fourths of the country opposes it. The only sector of the population that doesn't overwhelmingly oppose it is the youngins because we have been (perhaps forcefully) desensitized to it. Despite the Supreme Courts best wishes we are still majority rule.

The problem I have is the way they are going about it. They are violating the law in San Francisco and New York.

By allowing gay marriage in a state it violates the rights of other states. A state like Idaho or Montana would likely never allow gay marriage. If some homosexuals from Idaho head to California get married and come back, this would attempt to force California law on Idaho against the voters wishes. Eliminating majority rule. This is a no-no. Everyone is jumping on Bush for wanting an amendment banning gay marriage, but they would have to get an amendment to FORCE gay marriage to be recognized by all the states.

Give 'em graduated civil unions and let them call it marriage.

by **Old School Fool** on Wed Mar 17, 2004 8:32 am

This thread.....Well.....the Name of this Topic describes itself :lol:

by **GloveGuy** on Wed Mar 17, 2004 8:45 am

Homosexuals and heterosexuals are not equal however. Homosexuals cannot produce a child without a third party.

Yet they've been given the right to be parental guardians. Some women are unable to reproduce whether they're having sex with a man or a woman yet they can still get married with a man.

Allowing gay marriage does not fit our culture and society. Banning it does. Three-fourths of the country opposes it. The only sector of the population that doesn't overwhelmingly oppose it is the youngins because we have been (perhaps forcefully) desensitized to it. Despite the Supreme Courts best wishes we are still majority rule.

I was just expressing my own opinion. If three-fourths of the country is against me, I could care less, because gay marriage isn't morally incorrect in my mind. I just happen to disagree with the majority. And even though the majority is against gay marriage, some of these people are against George Bush's attempt to ban it, making it almost even.

by **Ruff Ryder** on Wed Mar 17, 2004 9:10 am

I disagree with gay marriage and just plain gay anything. I don't mind lesbo's, but if your against gays, I guess you gotta be against lesbo's.

I don't like gay's because it just isn't right.

Ben wrote:Allowing gay marriage does not fit our culture and society. Banning it does. Three-fourths of the country opposes it.

I agree with that. Gay stuff just doesn't fit the society at all. It takes away from masculinity. I rather see men being fat, harry, careless and slobs than being all proper, looking at other men, and being as uptight about their appearence as women are. Don't get me wrong, a clean, well dressed man is okay, but as long as they behave like a real man.

I see gays as a bunch of men that want to be women. They act like women and even develop a higher pitched voice like women. I just don't see why the world has to f*ck up everything. People die all of the time, women sell themselves for money, kids have instant access to porn almost everywhere, nobody can stay in a relationship, and now we can't just act like our own sex.

Men were put on the earth to love women, not eachother. If men were to love eachother, there would be no women. The human race just wasn't made to have same sex anything. I think women only being able to reproduce was God's little way of trying to keep the sexes seperate.

Gay Marriage-(N)

by **GloveGuy** on Wed Mar 17, 2004 9:42 am

You make it seem like all gays have higher voices, where tight pants, and care a lot about how they look. Not all homosexuals are flamboyant about their sexuality. You probably work or play basketball with a gay person and not even know it.

The fact of the matter is, there's men who have higher voices, where tight pants, and care a lot about how they look and their sexual preference is women.

You can't blame someone for being gay.

In a religious sense, God made them what they are for a reason. If men were put on this earth to love women, then they would. God would make them all heterosexuals. But that's not the case.

All in all, you seem to be classifying gays as men who not only like men, but also want to be women. That's not the case. Fact.

by **wangster** on Wed Mar 17, 2004 10:51 am

I guess I'm not against gay "people" strictly speaking...but I am against the whole general idea of homosexuality because I think it absolutely, completely violates the fundamental nature of the living world. We humans are mammals and as mammals we procreate through sexual means...a mother and a father. I will never understand how anyone can actually be sexually attracted to the same sex and I'm not even sure I should believe their attraction is real in the physical sense. Being gay defies the nature of humans as the particular living organism that we are. I'm not saying gay people are bad, but I won't knowingly make friends with gay people. If that makes me a bad or immoral person in your opinions, so be it.

by **Ruff Ryder** on Wed Mar 17, 2004 11:02 am

gloveGuy wrote:You make it seem like all gays
have higher voices, where tight pants, and care a lot about how they look.
Not all homosexuals are flamboyant about their sexuality. You probably work or play basketball with a gay person and not even know it.

The fact of the matter is, there's men who have higher voices, where tight
pants, and care a lot about how they look and their sexual preference is women.

You can't blame someone for being gay.

In a religious sense, God made them what they are for a reason. If men were put on this earth to love women, then they would. God would make them all heterosexuals. But that's not the case.

All in all, you seem to be classifying gays as men who not only like
men, but also want to be women. That's not the case. Fact.

Are you gay?

It's almost like you are defending them. Well, everyone is entitled to
their opinion. I just don't like gays and stuff.

In a religious sense, God made them what they are for a reason.
If
men were put on this earth to love women, then they would. God would
make
them all heterosexuals. But that's not the case.

I'm pretty sure God made all of us heterosexuals. We (well, the other people) are the ones who turned ourselves(themselves) into homosexuals. God wasn't responsible for our stupidity and choices. We made them. Men were put on this earth to love women, but some decided to do otherwise. There is a little guy called satan who likes to try to f*ck us up.

Also, I am aware that not all gays are how I previously posted, sorry if I implied that. I know some can be as straight as a board and fit the description, and some people can just be like us and we would never guess that they were gay.

by **GloveGuy** on Wed Mar 17, 2004 11:25 am

No I'm not gay.

I do however have a gay uncle. I didn't even know he was gay until my father told me. I at the time found it hard to believe because he just didn't seem to be gay, but he is and I'll accept it.

And yes, I am defending them because I adapted a liberality, unlike most people, when I was young.

You might be "pretty sure" that God made us all heterosexuals but "pretty sure" doesn't prove it. I think that people are born gay, so it really does just come down to opinion.

by **Ruff Ryder** on Wed Mar 17, 2004 11:36 am

gloveGuy wrote:
I think that people are born gay, so it really does just come down to opinion.

I don't think people are born gay. I can see why you'd say that, though. (Ewww, girls, they got cooties). Everyone was like that at a time. I guess that gay people were the ones who never excepted the fact that girls don't have cooties and wanted things to be like they were when they were real young. Then when they get older, they see all kinds of new stuff and rather do it with guys because they are more comfortable around them rather than around girls.

But I can see why we are born not liking the opposite sex. We probably weren't supposed to like them because can you imagine a 5 year old making out with a girl on the playground, and girls trying to f*ck other 6 year olds. :miserable:

by **J@3** on Wed Mar 17, 2004 1:14 pm

I don't think anyone should have the right to say whether something's "morally correct"... morals are what you make of them. Everyone's different, has different opinions and different beliefs. I guess you can't really help who you're attracted to, i think it's probably just one of those things

by **Matthew** on Wed Mar 17, 2004 6:14 pm

lol i got 0 in that metrosexual test :proud:

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