Bron Bron severly underrated

[MMstephensonmc]

My man needs to get some love from NBA Live. He's one of the best players in the league this season, he must be better then an 84.

[D-Wade]

Download the roster patch (latest one 1.04 I think) from the downloads section. LeBron has a higher rating (91) to go along with his better performance this season.

[[lob]-Shy]

or just change it yourself.....but yah, its been fixed by andrew

[Metsis]

The ratings out of the box are usually just wrong... Some players are quite on the money, but especially the rookies and sophmores are usually way off... It's hard to predict how a rookie will play and how a guy will improve in the second year...

LeBron was good in his rookie year... He's been even better the second time around...

They usually base the ratings on last years accomplishments and go from there. EA people ain't fortune tellers... So that's why even a single roster patch is so good for the game... It just updates the young guys to match their performance in real life. For example the way Seattle shooting guards Flip and Ronald stepped it up last season when Ray was out... That's just impossible to see.

[AdamBa17]

I edited them with izzmotto's ratings and he is now a 93.

http://forums.gamespot.com/gamespot/sho ... 43&page=28

[MMstephensonmc]

The ratings out of the box are usually just wrong... Some players are quite on the money, but especially the rookies and sophmores are usually way off... It's hard to predict how a rookie will play and how a guy will improve in the second year...

LeBron was good in his rookie year... He's been even better the second time around...

They usually base the ratings on last years accomplishments and go from there. EA people ain't fortune tellers... So that's why even a single roster patch is so good for the game... It just updates the young guys to match their performance in real life. For example the way Seattle shooting guards Flip and Ronald stepped it up last season when Ray was out... That's just impossible to see.

oh, i hear you man. I downloaded XBOX Lives newest rosters and he is still a 84.

[Full Surface]

The NBA Live rating system is severely flawed. Why are they giving players overall ratings in the range of 50 to 100? They should implement it to be more like Madden.

Here's what I think the platform should be:

90: Great (Kobe Bryant, Allen Iverson)
80: Good (Antawn Jamison, Eddie Jones)
70: Average (Walter McCarty, Eddie Griffin)
60: Bad (Reece Gaines, Othella Harrington)
50: Abysmal (insert NBDL scrub here)

[dsigns]

J-Rich gets ripped off too. I mean he's scoring around 20+ points a game, grabs his shares of boards yet he's only a 78.

[cyanide]

J-Rich gets ripped off too. I mean he's scoring around 20+ points a game, grabs his shares of boards yet he's only a 78.

A 78 is still pretty high. J-Rich isn't quite a superstar, but he can put up pretty good numbers, and 78 doesn't seem so bad, imo.

[Wormy10]

Yea I think 80 or 81 would be the highest rating to give him
78 is pretty close

[dsigns]

Thats why he's underrated. Noone realizes what numbers he's putting up:

20.8 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 3.4 apg, 1.4 spg

His stats outdo Peja in every category, something to think about.

[Tubarney]

Lebron is not one of the best players in the league at all. He can score thats all. Look at others people ratings, such as steve Francis. In the game the only way garnett or kobe are rated high is because they can do everything. Shaq is only rated 92 and tim duncan 89, this is because they cant dribble, pass, shoot threys ect. well.

[mvv]

well, look at this, then tell me hes not one of the best players in the league.

ppg - 24.6
apg - 7.1
rpg - 7.1
spg - 2.37
bpg - 0.86
eff - +27.29

[Jay-Peso]

Thats why he's underrated. Noone realizes what numbers he's putting up:

20.8 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 3.4 apg, 1.4 spg

His stats outdo Peja in every category, something to think about.

He's the only man on his team

[ShivaSquad]

Lebron is not one of the best players in the league at all. He can score thats all. Look at others people ratings, such as steve Francis. In the game the only way garnett or kobe are rated high is because they can do everything. Shaq is only rated 92 and tim duncan 89, this is because they cant dribble, pass, shoot threys ect. well.

thats ridiculous, watch an nba game and u will c the talent of lebron. how can u say he can only score? the guy who can only score is carmelo, not lebron. lebron is 6'8, a GREAT dribbler, a GREAT passer, a GOOD rebounder, a GOOD shooter (greatly improved from last year)... wats not to like about him? hes also very quick, very fast, and very strong, and in great shape.

[Metsis]

LeBron played 20/6/6 rookie season... Only two guys have done it before and one of them you can call "his airness", MJ him self...

LeBron is going for 25/7/7 this season... He could be averaging a triple-double in this league in a year or two... No one has done that since like the sixties!!!

LeBron's only weakness is still his lack of experience... And how can you say LeBron can only score??? That's what MJ did all his career. Before LeBron came into the league his most NBA ready skill was said to be his passing. They thought he would have trouble with his scoring etc. as the game is just another world compared to the highschool action LeBron saw back then...

He came into the league with way more expectations than anyone else has ever had to carry before. Before the draft he was already heralded the saviour of basketball in Cleveland and had his 90 million dollar shoe deal down... Before even seeing him on the court with men instead of boys. All this and more... He surpassed all of those expectations and is on his way to becoming one of the most complete and exciting player in the league... Just like Michael Jordan... Jordan just didn't have all the pressure on him... Like Thorn said "Jordan is good, but I won't ask him to turn this franchise around" or something like that... Thorn would have wanted a center... LeBron's skill was no secret... He didn't have the element of surprise going for him like MJ... He had everyone playing him even tougher as everyone was trying to teach him a lesson or two about being a boy in a man's world...

LeBron James in the big thing now and for years to come... Look for another in about 20 years...

[Tubarney]

I agree thats he is a good player, i never said he wasn't good. But if your one of only two scorers, one of only two rebounders and the go to gaurd it is not hard to put up these numbers. And just think, someone who works for easports would be far more subjective and more knowledgeable than someone like yourself (a person who loves lebron).

[Andreas Dahl]

I don't think Brony should be over a 90 in the game.
He's not one of the absolute best players in the league, but he has good stats though, although that can be explained by just looking at the Cavs line-up...
You ask what's there not to like about him. My two major dislikes about him is:
1. He takes three steps during 3 out of 5 finishes (and never gets called for it).
2. He can't play defence... Even though he's a lot bigger and a lot stronger than many of the players he defend (not so many this season) he's still being punished on defence.

[edit]: Yea, what Tubarney said...

[Chris_23]

Over 90 is definetly overrated for LeBron. He is an offensive player with good reaction that helps him on defensive steals. Team around him though is unstable, which is not good if James is to become one of the NBA greats. Player needs good teammates to become good himself, this was the case with Bird, this was the case with Magic... Also, put two talented players at the beginning of their career together and see what happens. Aka Malone Stockton and Jordan Pippen. In both ways, they learned themselves while teaching and leading the team, and learning from each other. You learn more from not just your own mistakes, but from the mistakes of the man beside you who is in the similar situation as you are. Kinda military approach to it, but nevertheless strong one.

This is what LeBron needs. Currently he doesnt have much more than shooting. Take any other example, pair of Jazz or Bulls, who were great defenders, or Bird and Magic and others of this playing style, very good defenders. LeBron has good reactions, he can get the ball stripped away in defence, but nevertheless he is the man on offense, though in many ways also unstable. In the game he got injured, until that point he had not hit a single shot from the floor, and that was half the game.

Now giving him 91? Andrew himself said that he doesnt rate players after their overalls, and so shouldnt you. Each individual ability at once, no one cares about overall. It doesnt even play role in trading, since computer uses the value-parameter for that. LeBron and Kobe one on one and Kobe would win the game.

Remember, Im not the fan of any players who are playing in the league nowadays. I take it objectively, so please no flaming that Im some Kobe fan. Im not. I saw Michael burning Kobe in 98 quite well enough. But this has to be taken as it is, not through personal liking that "hey, LeBron needs past 90 because he ruuulz tha leagueee". He isnt great all-around player yet, and only great all-around players should be at those numbers.

[tim duncan21]

where would i find the right ratings for lebron on console games?

[dsigns]

He's the only man on his team

So was t-mac, but that didnt affect his rating. But im going off-topic.

I think Lebron is rated correctly.

[Metsis]

But going 25/7/7 without a notable side kick is even better than with a good side kick??? If you have a good side kick he should help your game and not hinder it... So if LeBron had a good side kick what would he be averaging then? What you people don't get is that the kid is still a kid. He's 20 years old and that could mean another 20 season of LeBron and he's putting up these numbers... I just watched an NBA Action yesterday and it was just after Mutombo had elbowed Bron and he made a crazy reverse dunk and even the commentator said "It's bad that the mask is hindering his play"... Not!

Don't be surprised if the Cavs go for a big guy next off-season if Gooden doesn't start to produce more consistently...

I know they let the players take seven steps on the set-up today, but it ain't only for LeBron... There are more players that are doing it too...

And what's this talk about "it's easy to put up those kinds of stats when you are the go-to guy"... Bullshit... When you are a star in the league, you are the go-to guy... Always! Kobe is LA, TMac and Yao are for Houston, Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis are for Seattle, Wade and Shaq for the Heat, Vince and Kidd for NJ, MJ and Pippen for Bulls, Malone and Stockton for the Jazz... The only possibility for putting up those numbers is that you are the go-to guy... I don't see many players averaging 25/7/7 in the league this season... LeBron... Maybe Kobe... It's been a while since I've checked the stats... That alone puts LeBron in pretty good company...

If you think LeBron ranked at 84 is correct than how wrong is Carmelo ranked at 83??? So wrong... He's a pure scorer and nothing more.

About his defense... That usually matures with age and experience... LeBron is now drawing comparisons to TMac, Kobe etc. Guys that are 4+ years older than he is. With a lot more experience in the NBA...

And the bottom line here... It doesn't matter how bad your defense is if you keep on working on it and you average 25/7/7...

The scary thing here is that at 20 years old... No one has averaged the numbers Bron is averaging... He is a super-star... I had my doubts when he entered the league that he could fold under all the pressure, but he didn't... He keeps on surprising me with his game time and time again...

To you guys who are saying that 84 is enough for LeBron... What does a young guy have to average to get a 90 rating??? Please answer this one for me...

[JimRaynor55]

Stats like ppg, rpg, and apg aren't everything. Lebron still doesn't have a reliable jump shot, and is a mediocre defender at best (although he intercepts passes well). He also doesn't have a post up game like Kobe and T-Mac. Accurate ratings should reflect his defeciencies in these areas, and keep him from a 90+ rating. IMO, 90+ should be 1st Team All-NBA only. That's the way it was in NBA Live 2004. From what I've read here, Duncan doesn't even have a 90 rating in 2005. Lebron shouldn't either, then.

Just for the record, I'm not that impressed with Carmelo. If he has an 83 rating, he shouldn't.

[Chris_23]

Metsis, I have taken nba basketball the way it is for good seven years already, dont have personal favorites and I enjoy a good game and good players.

LeBron scored more than 25 points per gave, along with rpg and assists in default NBA Live 2005 roster simulated 04-05 season. All this with his ratings as they are in the default rosters.

The overall rating means shiet. It doesnt show objectively who to use, why to use him, and where he is succesful. I dont care really how big overalls are, I care for the things player actually does. And you say that no one has posted these numbers in the league so young before, well Michael scored 28 points per game being green as midsummer grass, also being 20 years old. But just for that reason Id not make him 90 overall. Jordan wasnt superstar in his rookie season, he had a weak team around him, just like LeBron, and posted up big numbers by taking control.

Nevertheless, MJ had 51% shooting in his rookie season, LeBron was 41% in his first season and now has 49% being almost as old as Jordan was in his rookie season. Nevertheless he would not have been 90 overall at that time. Missing in all around play being good in those couple of good things. Also, LeBrons jumpshot is weak and has low range to be real stable.

And I return to my point I made last time, LeBro will not get anywhere if he wont get another good player by his side. The greatest small guards and forwards in the history have done it with the help of other guards of forwards. Currently LeBron hasnt really got anyone to learn from, and at that age this is so important. LeBron James has the potential to become even greater player than Kobe Bryant, Im almost sure that better than Vince Carter (in his best days). But currently Im sure LeBron would be hacked in pieces in one on one contests against Kobe or T-Mac. Better defenders in the league would also create major trouble for James, since James has scored high only on games where he is not covered by strong defenders.

As for Carmelo, yes, lower, boy hasnt developed nearly at all between the seasons...


Back to LeBron James. Mark my words, if LeBron wont get another young star by his side, then he wont become one of the names to remember from 2000s.

Bird came into a solid all around team and did great things during his first season. But he got a great young team around him, with Parish and McHale, which came into one of the greatest teams ever later on.

Magic Johnson came into a strong team, with Abdul-Jabbar in it, becoming one of the other greatest teams in history.

Michael Jordan arrived in weak team that soon got Scottie Pippen in Michaels side, where Jordan went though teach-learn-by-teaching experience ending with six titles.

Malone and Stockton. Malone came into team with amazing Dantley who is perhaps the most underrated star from the 80s, six seasons in a row with about 30 points per game. Stockton coming a year earlier, and together developed into the strongest offensive in Malone end and defensive in Stocktons end duo force in NBAs history, and I think Im not overrating this.

No wonder why Miller became a shooting star with shooters like Person, Tisdale and Fleming around him.

You can also find great developments side by side in 90s. Grant Hill and Jerry Stackhouse, or Vince Carter with Tracy McGrady. Also Kobe with helluva big load of stars around him. They had great offensive-defensive athletes by their side to become the greatest. You can even mention currently so underrated Larry Hughes, who went through "defensive course" by Michael Jordan during the two wizards years. More great 90s young together developing guard-forward stars? Payton and Kemp, or Tim Duncan David Robinson. Even Shaq with Nick Anderson, though he bloomed strong in Lakers along with Kobe. Also remember Garnett, with Marbury, Gugliotta, Laettner and Rider. All of these are strong players, in their earlier developing years, needing this to develop themselves fastest and the most flexible way possible.

I repeat, if LeBron James gets someone like this on his side, then its going to be good for him. You can try and say that Gooden is such a player, but four seasons he has posted up similar numbers every season and his style of play is too different from LeBron.

I doubt Cleveland will ever want to get rid of LeBron, they have sell-out games that they really havent had for a long time, but they need a great talent by his side. There are too few instances where a player without another star alongside, becomes one of the hilight names in NBA history, and the next-Jordan-plague is a hard tag to set on anybody (poor Jeffrey Jordan if he is to come into NBA), adn you cant also forget the instances of Vince Carter and Grant Hill, whi had physical problems plenty of to strike their career hard. Hill is mentally strong and is showing what we may have missed during the seasons he was injured in, nevertheless, you need a very good developing player by the side of another developing player to have a great player in the end.

And this has got nothing to do with overalls. James is posting these 25 points and rebounds and assists in a simulated season without boosting him to totally unrealistic past 90 rating. He needs stable mid range jump shot, more active defense (though his steals are very good), and alot of this what some call "leadership".

If he gets those alright, he can become overall 90 in my book. You can make him 90 anytime by editing his statistics Metsis, but in realistic values, taking each of his ratings one by one setting it aside his real life play, LeBron James, is not 90.

[SkipToMy_Lou]

You expect me to read that ?

If he gets those alright, he can become overall 90 in my book. You can make him 90 anytime by editing his statistics Metsis, but in realistic values, taking each of his ratings one by one setting it aside his real life play, LeBron James, is not 90.

Thats what I read, gotta agree with you too