NLSC: Special "Tenth" NBA Live Anniversary Feature

To commemorate the "tenth" anniversary of the NBA Live series (I say "tenth" because NBA Live 2005 is actually the 11th game), Matthew and I have gone back and composed some retrospective reviews of the entire series, starting with NBA Live 95. Even though we all have some gripes with the newest title, it's still amazing to see how far the game has come since the beginning. If you'd like to check that out, you can find it in the new Features & Columns section.

wow.. another great and fucking original idea from the NLSC...

EDIT: Ok Matthew explained the "bigger" picture to me about why you are doing these reviews.. but I think they were unesessay for what you wanted to do in the long term and are just ripping what .org is doing...

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this is great. one suggestion though can you make the link open in the same window? tnx..

Looks great, brings me back to the old days when I used to play Live 95 against my brother on SNES

Nice. Brings me back as well to the old days when I used to play Live '95 against my brother.

Maybe you should make the screens a bit bigger.

Always bickering. No fighting.

David, the NLSC isn't trying to rip any of dotorg's idea's, as far as I know Andrew's never even visited NBAlive.org. How would he steal ideas if he hasn't visited?

Anyways, seriously, there aren't that many "unique" ideas that one can come up with based on a game. It's a site, you do what you can. Sure, dotorg reviewed it first but that's because the NLSC had it's limitations hosting wise. Doesn't make it dotorg's idea. There are tons of gaming sites that pay tribute to the first series, it doesn't mean you're copying them, you're just giving something to the viewers.

How much can you do with a game? How much uniqueness can you come up with? Come on man.

I'm not being a fan boy, don't even think it or I'll plant a kiss on you, so don't even go there.

I just don't want this to come in between of a great new feature added to the NLSC. People complained about it being bland, when the staff is trying to liven things up, that's also not good. No, we won't ruin this moment, will we David.

Great read, props to both Andrew & Matthew. Glad to see the NLSC making progress from where it was. Thanks for the article guys.

That's true. Look at all the gaming sites out there. They all have the same concept don't they?

[Andrew]

wow.. another great and fucking original idea from the NLSC...

EDIT: Ok Matthew explained the "bigger" picture to me about why you are doing these reviews.. but I think they were unesessay for what you wanted to do in the long term and are just ripping what .org is doing...

Actually we had been planning to do these reviews for some time, the intent was not to rip off what you guys have done. And for the record, I didn't make a fuss when you guys introduced the "brand new and original" feature of the NBA Live Wishlist/Wishlist Forum on nbalive.org.

Look, I can't be bothered going over this same argument again and again. Let's get back to the topic.



Thanks for the comments redz, Skip and Filip, glad you liked it.
EDIT: Forgot Jackal, glad you liked it too.

Maybe you should make the screens a bit bigger.

Good idea, I'll be sure to add some bigger and clearer screens to the next review.

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David, show some manners for fucks sake. You don't go into someones house, see a simialr coffee table to one you purchased a while ago and claim that its a "fucking rip off" of your one do you? This rivalry is getting beyond a joke.

Kudos to Jackal for setting things straight.

at the bottom of the Live 95 review it states that Michael Jordan and Barkley etc weren't in the game for such and such a year but in Live 1996 on Genesis if you put Hall O f Famers names in the Create a Player it would pull up players and stats and attributes. Just throwing my two cents especially since I consider 96 to be the best of the 16-bit generation console B ball games.

Did they have the names of Michael Jordan and Barkley? Or were they "player 89"?

That's a good point, the Super Nintendo had that feature as well. If I recall correctly though, the console versions of the early Lives mostly called players by their surname (with a first initial for common names). I guess a more accurate way of putting it would be to say that they weren't officially in the game that early in the series.

And for the record, I didn't make a fuss when you guys introduced the "brand new and original" feature of the NBA Live Wishlist/Wishlist Forum on nbalive.org.

I think it's completely fine what you guys are doing just to make it clear. It's not like "History of NBA Live" on an NBA Live is a hugely original idea, that would be bad to be 'ripped off' anyway. But...

Every year the NBA Live development team get submitted several wish lists from Operation Sports, NLSC, IGN and other community sites.
...
So what I thought we would do is something a bit different. This year we will send the EA development team a top 10 wishes. Lets face it, when they are getting lists of 50-100 wishes how many are they going to take note of, and what priority do they give each wish? Lets help EA know what the community REALLY wants to see in NBA Live 2006 that will make it the best NBA Live ever.

They mention you guys do it, and they are only doing a top 10.

Anyways, the history looks good so far. Some bigger pictures would be nice. And having a review that went past Live 95 would be fine.

I understand that, I mentioned the Wishlist because it's an example of nbalive.org borrowing (and yes, tweaking as they are free to do) a feature from the NLSC, something I've been blasted for doing - even though I wasn't even aware that nbalive.org was compiling a History section. Like I said, Matthew and I had talked about the idea some time ago and we're just getting around to introducing the articles on the NLSC now - I've been holding a few things off until the server move.

Anyway...

Thanks for the suggestions. We will be doing the rest of the series, not just NBA Live 95. I was talking to Matthew earlier and we've decided to post them a day or two apart. We'll use bigger images in the rest of the retrospectives too.

Thanks for the suggestions. We will be doing the rest of the series, not just NBA Live 95.

That was pointed moreso at .org, I think they did the whole series, but you can't go past more than 95. I remember seeing the whole thing though which is weird.

even though I wasn't even aware that nbalive.org was compiling a History section.

But I am aware you are full of shit..

David, show some manners for fucks sake. You don't go into someones house, see a simialr coffee table to one you purchased a while ago and claim that its a "fucking rip off" of your one do you? This rivalry is getting beyond a joke.

rivalry? hehe.. I talked to you about this on MSN Matthew.. you know there is no rivalry.. I just don't want both sites doing the same things.. and it frustrates me when NLSC doesn't even "try" to be different.. I am always going to speak my mind... call it a "rivalry" if that makes you happy.. but it has never been and never will be that... Your original idea is a great one and I look forward to seeing the results... if it is done properly it should be great fun for the community.. .. like I said.. I was just upset that you decided to rip the game summary idea from nbalive.org to lead up to it.. it wasn't needed in my opinon ... but I know you disagee... but its all good.. to tell you the truth I was stuggling to find information to finish the history of each game and I wasn't getting much help from anyone in trying to compile it all together.. I am sure you guys will do a great job of it.. I have decided to change the direction of what nbalive.org was doing and try something different.. cause we all know despite what you say Matthew... Jackal is infact full of shit.. and there ARE many "unique" ideas that one can come up with based on this game... all I have asked all along is for NLSC to come up with its own "unique" ideas.. so both sites can grow side by side and not be the same expercience for the community.. it is not a rivalry.. but I see it as a ying-yang.. and wouldn't that lead to harmony in the community..?

I knew staying up to eat Mcdonalds would be worth it

rivalry? hehe.. I talked to you about this on MSN Matthew.. you know there is no rivalry.. I just don't want both sites doing the same things.. and it frustrates me when NLSC doesn't even "try" to be different.. I am always going to speak my mind... call it a "rivalry" if that makes you happy.. but it has never been and never will be that...

I hate to see the community so divided. I heard this story once.. from Tales, he had arranged with you to create a subsection for the brazillian nba community. However, once he became a mod at nlsc, this was strictly not possible?
Then, when NLSC was down, there was a post asking if anybody had a link to the NLSC forum. Considerding the amount of times live.org has been down and how many posts have been made here about the situation, you wouldnt expect differently would you? But what happened was laughable. There was a post made by Dmit with a link to google.com and the thread was closed.
You might be right though, this looks alot more heated than a rivalry. It's boderline insane.

Your original idea is a great one and I look forward to seeing the results... if it is done properly it should be great fun for the community..

I commend you for the kind words..

I was just upset that you decided to rip the game summary idea from nbalive.org to lead up to it.. it wasn't needed in my opinon ... but I know you disagee... but its all good.. to tell you the truth I was stuggling to find information to finish the history of each game and I wasn't getting much help from anyone in trying to compile it all together.. I am sure you guys will do a great job of it

Of course I disagree with the first statement. these arent summaries.. these are full reviews of each game. as we all know by know, its for somthing much bigger and hopefully successful. and, lets just imagine it wasnt leading to a bigger picture... if they were just for old times sake, the reviews, has any harm been done?

cause we all know despite what you say Matthew... Jackal is infact full of shit.. and there ARE many "unique" ideas that one can come up with based on this game... all I have asked all along is for NLSC to come up with its own "unique" ideas.. so both sites can grow side by side and not be the same expercience for the community.. it is not a rivalry.. but I see it as a ying-yang.. and wouldn't that lead to harmony in the community..?

I'd love to see more unique idea's. But how many more can be implemented is upto the imagination. The anniversy topic however, is not a nbalive.org exclusive. everything has these. from magazines, to tv shows, to websites...

I heard this story once.. from Tales, he had arranged with you to create a subsection for the brazillian nba community. However, once he became a mod at nlsc, this was strictly not possible?

As with all great stories there are two sides.. Tales was infact the one who told me he didn't have time for both sites.. I didn't want him to do a half job on a subsite if he was going to devote his time to modding these forums etc.. anyway I am still waiting for him to give me his plans for the subsite.. which he said he was going to do.. but from what you have told me I guess he is going to do the subsite on the NLSC instead.. whatever.. again if Tlaes sees this as a "rivalry" then that is his problem.. I just offer the hosting for these subsites.. if people don't want to make the effort that is not my problem.. I am not going to do everything for them..

Then, when NLSC was down, there was a post asking if anybody had a link to the NLSC forum. Considerding the amount of times live.org has been down and how many posts have been made here about the situation, you wouldnt expect differently would you? But what happened was laughable. There was a post made by Dmit with a link to google.com and the thread was closed.

dunno? I don't think I even saw this thread .. Dmit always links to google.. it is what he does.. people need to search rather than ask stupid questions.. again.. nothing to do with rivalry..

I'd love to see more unique idea's.

me too.. so lets hope it can happen... but I have said all this before... and I will probably have to say it again in a few months.. you know.. "the rivalry" and all..

even though I wasn't even aware that nbalive.org was compiling a History section.

But I am aware you are full of shit..

Sorry, but if you're not going to be civil and mature, I have no interest discussing this with you. Like I said, Matthew first told me about the idea, I liked and we set to work on it. If you choose not to believe that, so be it.

It's pretty much been said before, but Matthew had this idea ages and ages ago, it was just a matter of time before it was implimented. As a matter of fact, I even have a copy of a piece Matthew had already written for this very purpose. Needless to say this was way before .org had this concept, doesn't mean people are going to go there and start accusing them of copying.

This whole site rivalry thing is just going beyond childish. I talk to people from both sides, both sides bitch about each other and both sides have valid points in some instances. Both sides have their faults, but who cares? Seriously it's a fucking internet website, we're all big enough and ugly enough to at least act like we're above any of this. If people want to bitch about the NLSC, or .org do it on MSN or something a bit less public.

Jae took the words right out of my month.

Some ppl can be so jobless, cmon u come and bitch about net forums, geez man get a life....I dont care if u support live.org or NLSC , but u dont need to say "Oh we rule, Im a God in world of the internet, my parents are proud of me, yes I get my dick sucked by a printer." (cause thats what your saying really when u argue on the net)

so yeah errr, nice work....but I wasnt born when Live 95 came out ..lol ..well actually I was but err didnt watch b-ball at that time. just cricket and rugby and oh yeah I was in england so I was a football freak

good work Andrew, n David, get a life u sad sad orange letter man

why is David posting on this forum anyway? oh well, i still prefer NLSC. 'Nuff said.

Andrew: I can provide with some good quality and cool screenshots for NBA Live 2001 (and 2003 as well) if you want.

If Andrew wanted...he could accuse .org of "ripping off" the entire NLSC concept...but he doesn't. So let's give it a rest.

There's no point to a feud anyway...most people from NLSC (myself included) like .org...

Andrew: I can provide with some good quality and cool screenshots for NBA Live 2001 (and 2003 as well) if you want.

I was going to take some myself, but two minds being creative are better than one. I'd be happy to use any cool screens you've taken, thanks Filip.