v1.03 released...

[Andrew]

No worries, glad to hear you remedied the situation.

[crossover]

Good work Andrew!

When you start your mass rating update you my can have a look on the C overall ratings. In the current version stromile swift is ranked 70 overall at C which made him the fourth best C in the game. I don't think that this is realistic.

[Andrew]

Well, I won't be updating the ratings just to fix overalls, but I'm sure they'll even out with the appropriate changes. Thanks for the suggestion.

[Jona]

yellow!
one thing that caught a friend's mind, is LeBron's JUMP and DUNK attributes... i
in reality, he can dunk it pretty well, lets say 95, but the real amazing talent is his leaping ability, which is a 90 in the latest roster... i suggest you put his dunking a 95 (99 is near perfection, only a few selected guys in the game should have a 99 rating in any category) and a 97 in JUMP, cause it's just unreal...
i think a lot of us saw that dunk against charlotte and went WTF?!?!?!?
so my final thoughts are DUNK=95, JUMP=97
cheers

[Andrew]

Noted, thanks.

[Jona]

hi!
Josh Smith's BLK rating is a 40, and at small forward he's got a season average of 1.5 blocks per contest in only 19.0 minutes, thats high, considering other guys at his position like Keith Van Horn, Tayshaun Prince or Caron Butler are far lower than him...
He's also got a 94 DUNK and 92 JUMP, I don't believe he deserves that, that is an elite rating , and he's not THAT good of a dunker, DUNK would be very high 80s and JUMP maybe middle 90s...
cheers
ALSO Shaq is regularly wearing black knee-pads on both... umm.. knees

[King_James88]

btw, how come Lebron's block rating is higher than Kobe's? LeBron's averaging .93 BPG while Kobe's 1.19 BPG, which is higher. Need to check on this one.

And just a reminder: increase Kobe's def rebs a bit and also his stamina a bit. I've stated this in the other thread.

[Nick]

While i'm on the topic of Defensive awareness ratings... here are some things i stumbled upon.

Nesterovich is 34.

They should all be around 75

Nesterovic currently plays like an ***hole, I think that his 34 ratings, even if we're talking of defense, is almost well deserved. A little boost should be correct, but nothing more.

Wrong. Nesterovich is a fantastic defender.

Meanwhile, some more suggestions.

Last time i looked Eric Williams had 55 as defensive awareness... should be increased... perhaps 70-75.

Ron Artest's is a little underrated i think.
His defensive awareness is 80.. should be 85-90.
His speed is 58.. should be 65 or so.
His quickness is 83... should be less.
His jump is 56... should be 60-65.

[Raptors2004]

Hey NLSC i know your working on a new roster patch for the new year. here are some thoughts

3pt shooting
Joe Johnson (phoenix) of the suns is second in the nba in 3pt shooting % and hes taken over 100 3pt shorts .490% (wow)

Jeff Mcginnis (cleveland) 12th in the nba .431% also has taken over 100 3pt shots

FG%
Amare Stoutamire is second only to shaq in this category
1. Shaquille O'Neal (Miami Heat) 241 397 .607
2. Amare Stoudemire (Phoenix Suns) 251 431 .582

also check out drew gooden and and nazir mohammed
6. Nazr Mohammed (New York Knicks) 134 254 .528
7. Carlos Boozer (Utah Jazz) 219 418 .524
8. Chris Wilcox (Los Angeles Clippers) 113 217 .521
9. Yao Ming (Houston Rockets) 181 350 .517
10. Drew Gooden (Cleveland Cavaliers) 144 279 .516


I've been using your rosters since live 2000 you do an excellent job

[Nick]

Jeff Mcginnis (cleveland) 12th in the nba .431% also has taken over 100 3pt shots

Speaking of Jeff McInnis... his defensive awareness is 49 or so in your roster... he's a good defender though... should be about 63.

Also while i'm here... Jamal Crawford's jump ratings is 55 or something in the 50's. He's an explosive player in the NBA... needs to be increased sort of significantly... say, 70?

[Andrew]

All noted, thanks everyone.

[Mentally Hilarious]

Was just thinking about Flip Murray, rated at a 64 seems a tad low for an all-star candidate.

But note that I have seen one NBA-game this year, and that was LAK-MIA. Swedes without cable seldom get the chance to see the NBA...

[FanOfAll]

Tierre Brown:
FG - Low 70s
3 pt - High 60s
Speed and Quick - Low 80s
Dribble - Low 70s
Stamina - Low 40s
Inside Scoring - (Down to) High 30s
Range: 25 ft

Luke Walton:
Steals - Down to 60s
Jump - Down to 40s
Strength - Down to mid-high 50s

Brian Cook:
FG - Mid 60s (he loves and is pretty good at that 18 footer)
3 pt - 70
Jump - 60
DAware - 60ish
Stamina - 40s

Divac:
DReb - Mid 60s
OAware - 80s
Speed, Quick - 40s
Hardy - 40s
Stamina - 30s

Medvedenko:
FG - 70
DReb - High 60s
OAware - 65
Inside Scoring - Low-mid 50s

Caron Butler:
DAware - Low 70s
Quick - High 60s

Brian Grant:
Speed, quick - High 50s

Devean George:
Steals - Low 60s
OAware - Low 50s
DAware - Low 50s
Dribble - 50s
Strength - 50s
Inside Scoring - Mid 40s

[KDWilliams85]

Andrew...


BRING BACK MICHAEL JORDAN!!! US BULLS FANS MUST RESTORE THE BULLS TO PROPER GLORY!!!

[wonging]

I think you can include the ratings of http://www.sportsline.com/nba/playerrankings to check which players should be updated except injured.

[FanOfAll]

I think you can include the ratings of http://www.sportsline.com/nba/playerrankings to check which players should be updated except injured.

Oh god, please don't use those. Those are purely based on stats and terrible.

[KDWilliams85]

FanOfAll, that's exactly what Andrew does except he does it on a different rating system. Though, I would suggest using a different rating system.

[FanOfAll]

FanOfAll, that's exactly what Andrew does except he does it on a different rating system. Though, I would suggest using a different rating system.

I can say with almost complete certainty that he does not base all his ratings on stats. I'm pretty sure the only rating that is directly influenced and influenced by stats and only stats is the FT rating. Not to mention (which I'm about to do), that most of the ratings cannot be based on stats. Stats *are* important to use as a foundation, but you certainly don't see Iverson's FG rating below Nazr Mohammad or Chris Mihm's even though both shoot about 10-12% better from the field than AI.

[Andrew]

FanOfAll is correct. I refer to the stats, but I don't use a lot of stats-to-ratings formulas as I feel they're too rigid and don't translate well across the different player positions as well as the players themselves. I mainly operate in ranges - I know which ratings will produce certain simulated stats and behaviour in the gameplay, and assign them accordingly.

By the way, I've completed updating player ratings for the first 11 teams (Atlanta through Indiana). I've made at least two or three changes to every player so far, and in many cases changed quite a few ratings to what I feel is more accurate. Some players' overall ratings are significantly higher or lower, some have a small change and some are exactly the same as I haven't made too many changes or a couple of large changes have balanced each other out.

I've been paying particular attention to ratings that need changing for specific players, but in general the Awareness and rebounding ratings. Fatigue, Hardiness and Primacy have also been ratings that I've been sure to update based on current substitution patterns, player minutes and if they're spending a lot of time on the IR.

[ReNreN]

andrew!.. when will be the version 1.04 coming out?

[ReNreN]

From the main page:

Please note that a huge update will becoming early in the new year with mass updates to player ratings as well as few other overdue additions..

As usual, keep the suggestions coming but please base them on the latest version. Thanks.

andrew, where's the huge update?

[Andrew]

I said early in the new year, not in the first couple of days of the new year - just as when I say an update is coming after the draft, it doesn't mean the moment the draft has finished - please be patient! There's a progress report a couple of posts up. Assuming I'm satisfied with everything, v1.04 should be out sometime this week.

[xplicit]

Don't forget to create the rookie Ha Seung-Jin, that the Blazers signed again. I wish the Lakers could trade for Okafor or make grant the pf while odom becomes the sf, it'll make the team a lot better =]. Why is Kobe's inside scoring in the 60's? Isn't inside scoring based on lay-ups and in the paint shots? I see kobe making some crazy lay-ups and driving it into the basket. Eh, just a suggestion. Oh yea, and increase Kobe's defensive rebounding and passing a little.

[Andrew]

I've already created Seung-Jin, wouldn't be much of a roster update if I didn't actually update the rosters with transactions and missing players. I'll give Kobe's ratings another look.

Speaking of ratings, I've finished going through every player and making changes. Some players have improved or declined significantly, others very little, and some still have the same overall rating. As explained above, quite a lot of changes have balanced each other out, notably players who were underrated in some areas and overrated in others. Players who appear on the various All-Star teams have also had their ratings co-ordinated with their counterparts in the regular rosters (though the East and West All-Stars still have their stamina lowered to 50 for more realistic All-Star game style substitutions).

I still want to add a few things and continue to polish up the ratings ready for v1.04, so the next version is still at least a day or two away. But I should be able to make it worth the wait.

[crossover]

I still want to add a few things and continue to polish up the ratings ready for v1.04, so the next version is still at least a day or two away. But I should be able to make it worth the wait.

Every of your roster updates is worth to wait for.

Perhaps it is to late, but could you have a look on the Mavs? I think Josh Howard deservs better jumping and defensiv arwareness ratings. Darrell Armstorng is overrated in my opinion, he should not have a 91 at speed. Alan Henderson my could improved a little bit because he played surprising well this season.

Another team which needs to be reviewed is Boston. I know you will you decrease player ratings to fix to overall rating of a team, but players like Payton, La Frentz and Davis in my opinion seems to be overrated.