IGN gave Live 05 8.9

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/551/551700p1.html

no no no!

im still getting the game.good enough score for me.

Year in and year out, Live/Madden recieve a lower score than ESPN Games but they never sell well and are not as fun IMO.

I give ESPN a try every year, nothing changes.

No! No! No! ?!???

Thats a VERY good score, sport games are never perfect.

8.9 is a great score for IGN. IGN do not give away scores.

but like last year with one of the magazines i was reading the review,had nba live at the time, and it was saying espn is way better than nba live.so i went to gamestop and traded in the game to get espn.but later in the year i realised that live was more fun and dwelled on the fact that i didnt have live.

james actually gave me credit which i didnt think anybody would do since im new to this board.

if ign rated the game a 1.0 i would still buy it. letting someone else tell you what is good or bad is a stupid thing to do.

The one area that probably bothers me the most, however, are the absurd player ratings. It's like the team took a vacation to Portland and drove around in smoke-filled Hummers for a week before randomly throwing out player attributes. Marcus Banks is a 70 for speed and Gary Payton is an 80!?! Does anyone actually watch the NBA? Marcus Banks is the fastest player in the entire league but in the game he's slower than the ancient defender formerly known as Glove. And it gets worse. Rip Hamilton has a lower field goal rating than Lindsey Hunter. Antoine Walker, Mr. 5-24 himself, has a higher field goal rating than Michael Redd. And maybe worst of all, Tim Duncan, arguably the best player in the NBA, is only rated as an overall 89... the same overall rating for Paul Pierce. Nothing against The Truth, but how many rings has he won again?

This sums up what I feel is one of the biggest flaws in the game. I like making edits, but I think there will be far too many to make in this game.

I think this is why Live didn't get a very high score.

yeah the ratings do seem way off. thats why i hope after the ps2 users get the game we can get a list going on who needs editing(yes i have been converted this year).

james actually gave me credit which i didnt think anybody would do since im new to this board.

That doesn't matter, if we post a link that has been sourced by someone in the forum, we give them credit on the main page.

That's a pretty positive review, but I'd already made up my mind about the game; as long as I feel the need to play basketball video games, I'll buy the brand I'm familiar with and enjoy. I'm still unsure about the ratings though; it still seems like something that would be polished up by the time the game goes gold and is ready to be shipped, so I'm wondering if these ratings are actually from the final product.

they're just venting their frustrations from the low scores they got in the dunk contest ...kidding.

The ratings in ESPN are better, but they aren't good wither

Wade and Lebron got an 83 mid-range rating, which is the same as Michael Finley, Bibby, and Reggie Miller.
Allan Houston only had 84 which was the same as Carmelo....Wade and Lebron's mid-range rating was also higher than Van Exel, Mike Miller, Billups, Van Horn, Hinrich, Brent Barry, Luke Jackson, Welsch, Kittles, Jaric, Childress, Eddie Jones, Bobby Jackson, Baron, Mashburn, David Welsey, Harpring, Turkoglu, Jason Terry, Mobley, Tony Parker, Ginobili, Rashard Lewis, Troy Hudson, Arenas, and some other players who are clearly better shooters.

Antoine Walker also got an 84 3PT rating

Hinrich only has a 75 in FG and 3PT, and TJ Ford seemed to get a little too high shooting ratings. Gerald Wallace also got too high shooting ratings, he's somehow a better mid-shooter than Tamar Slay who got a 68, and Wallace a 70.

Iverson also got an 83 mid-range FG rating, and got a higher 3PT rating than Glenn Robinson and Aaron McKie....

That doesn't matter, if we post a link that has been sourced by someone in the forum, we give them credit on the main page.

Oh really?

most games put walker over pierce in 3 point fg. this has always bugged me and will continue to bug me as long as they do it.

The ratings in ESPN are better, but they aren't good wither

Wade and Lebron got an 83 mid-range rating, which is the same as Michael Finley, Bibby, and Reggie Miller.
Allan Houston only had 84 which was the same as Carmelo....Wade and Lebron's mid-range rating was also higher than Van Exel, Mike Miller, Billups, Van Horn, Hinrich, Brent Barry, Luke Jackson, Welsch, Kittles, Jaric, Childress, Eddie Jones, Bobby Jackson, Baron, Mashburn, David Welsey, Harpring, Turkoglu, Jason Terry, Mobley, Tony Parker, Ginobili, Rashard Lewis, Troy Hudson, Arenas, and some other players who are clearly better shooters.


Antoine Walker also got an 84 3PT rating

Hinrich only has a 75 in FG and 3PT, and TJ Ford seemed to get a little too high shooting ratings. Gerald Wallace also got too high shooting ratings, he's somehow a better mid-shooter than Tamar Slay who got a 68, and Wallace a 70.

Iverson also got an 83 mid-range FG rating, and got a higher 3PT rating than Glenn Robinson and Aaron McKie....

is that for Live or ESPN?

most games put walker over pierce in 3 point fg. this has always bugged me and will continue to bug me as long as they do it.

....but an 84? He's better than Arenas, Mobley, Turkoglu [only 75], Finley [only 74], Jason Terry, Reggie Miller [82], Billups [82], Vince Carter [80], Donyell Marshall [78], MoPete [77], Tmac [79], Jim Jackson [80], Radmonovic [81], Brent Barry [81], Ginobili [81?], Nash [82], Cassell [82], Spree [77], Szczerbiak [83], Hudson [79], Fisher [79], Dunleavy [78].

Also Richard Jefferson has a 78 3PT rating, what's up with that?
For some reason Rashard Lewis got an 89 3PT rating, I don't think he's a better 3PT shooter than Allan Houston.

is that for Live or ESPN?

It's for ESPN....

I hope EA is reading this and saying: "well if the only problem is ratings then thats a good thing" hopefully they'll do something about it on the updates. not too many people were upgraded on the updates last year.

man all the ratings are off it seems lol. people should not be forced to edit players at all imo. most of these rateings that are off seem to be obvious too. how did they mess up so bad?

I honestly could care less what rating it got. I'll judge both games for myself. If I remember correctly, ESPN received a high score last year and I thought the game was horrible.

I think the team which was doing the rating thing did a bad job this year.

It's a pain a user have to edit all the thing by himself before having a fair game...

This rating issue hurts a lot even though the rating may be corrected for the PC version. It's still a big flaw.

I am a little bit disappointed.

OOPS, all I mean is the players' rating. Not the IGN rating

One main point of contention deals with fast breaks. You might think you have a clear path to the basket, but the defenders are able to catch up too easily. This wouldn't be too bad if the defender simply trailed behind you or came from an angle and tried to make a Tayshaun Prince-like block on the ball -- that would keep with the whole theme of realistic flow. Instead, what happens is that the defender simply gets in your way and both of you stop, stopping the break, the scoring opportunity, and the flow all in one move. If you're one-on-one, the majority of the time, you end up stopped by a defender who never should've been able to get in front of you in the first place.

Am I the only one who is scared by this? I thought we were told that the catch up was gone. Ah well, I'm pretty sure I'll still love '05.

One main point of contention deals with fast breaks. You might think you have a clear path to the basket, but the defenders are able to catch up too easily. This wouldn't be too bad if the defender simply trailed behind you or came from an angle and tried to make a Tayshaun Prince-like block on the ball -- that would keep with the whole theme of realistic flow. Instead, what happens is that the defender simply gets in your way and both of you stop, stopping the break, the scoring opportunity, and the flow all in one move. If you're one-on-one, the majority of the time, you end up stopped by a defender who never should've been able to get in front of you in the first place.

Am I the only one who is scared by this? I thought we were told that the catch up was gone. Ah well, I'm pretty sure I'll still love '05.

I am worring about this too.
It's strange that according to many reviews / interviews (from the summits, game web sites, developer) we read, the catch up is gone.

And I have watched many videos these few weeks. I realise that the catch up is really gone. According to the latest clips in operation sports, Bonzi Well and Jason Terry's fast break is pretty realistic.

How come this IGN review is totally different ?

I am worring about this too.
It's strange that according to many reviews / interviews (from the summits, game web sites, developer) we read, the catch up is gone.

And I have watched many videos these few weeks. I realise that the catch up is really gone. According to the latest clips in operation sports, Bonzi Well and Jason Terry's fast break is pretty realistic.

How come this IGN review is totally different ?

My thoughts exactly. You'd think IGN's review would be right on. However, I doubt Tim and several other sources would be that wrong about something as big as the catch up bug. I'm hoping IGN was just on crack when they played Live. I guess you just never know until you play it for yourself.

i am not that worried about that seeing as though all the videos i have seen have shown great improvement in the catch up bug.
you have to remember that EA puts some of these annoying things in the game so that it isnt too easy for us to win or score like 250 points a game.
i'll be buying the game regardless.

hmmm....i wanna know on thing ppl havent asked as of yet. what is the 3 pointer frequency. In 04 (10 min Q's) sometimes I'd get teams that would have shot 45 3 pointers.....that's way way unrealistic......30 is pushing it. I guess 04 just had the inside game and outside game but 05 seems to have that plus the mid range game

also i wanna know who is hte ball handler in this game. In 04 u'd rebound and you would have big men takin the ball upcourt. Hopefully this is fixed and restricted to 1 and 2 guards

Last edited by Matt on Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:58 pm, edited 1 time in total.