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Blocking problems

Postby 07944 on Tue May 10, 2005 7:15 pm

Hi all,

This game is becoming quite frustrating. I keep seeing these stories of how easy people are finding things on All Star level and this is confusing me.

I've had live for many years, but the last one prior to 2005 was 2003 (for psx1). I've so far done a pre-season with the Bulls using Andrew's sliders and have also tweaked them a little (making FT's easier - although I only get a coulple a game max).

Anyway I'm still using player lock (Duhon and Gordon) neither are on the court at the same time.

The problem is I lost the first 7 games in pre-season then won 2 in a row. Since then I've started a season and have gone 0-4. I don't understand what's up. In pre-season I got to a point where I was losing most games due to the computer having more free throws and blocks.

I've just tweeked another few sliders, gone to play the Timberwolves outside of season mode. I was up most the game and as has happened every game in the season I go into the last quarter level or a few points up and it all crashes down.

Can anyone help me??

The main problem for example can be demonstrated like this -

VS timberwolves, I had a better FG%, more steals, less turnovers, a few less free throws, and the same amount of rebounds but they blocked 15 shots,

15 shots!!!

The Bulls team have been edited a little (rookies are accurate, Hinrich is quicker and has a better JS and Curry's JS and IS are up 66 and 87 respectively).

Blocks are so frustrating, using player lock I only control the release of Duhon and Gordon and I don't shoot much with Duhon.

Hinrich has his shot blocked 3 or 4 times a game (big problem) and I think the main problem I have is that the guards are so small it's difficult to stop an opposing player with a hand in the face and when Hinrich drops his shoulder, gets to mid range, jumps and shoots it's blocked by a player who really shouldn't get over to him and wouldn't in real life.

Any suggestions?

By using player lock the games harder in this scenario, Curry doesn't pass to the open guy for a 3 that often when double teamed, Davis is to slow to get a shot and can never get to the hoop.

What can I do?

What slider change will mean less blocks on my guards and more free throws for me? So far when I seem to get a JS off it's always a block and when the computer get's a shot up and my players go to block it's always a foul. If blocks and free throws were on average level I know I'd win more games than I lose.

Help would be very much appreciated!!!
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Postby BMG on Tue May 10, 2005 8:49 pm

stop playing on all star!!!!
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Postby 07944 on Tue May 10, 2005 9:46 pm

Oh great advice thanks.

It's not that, all games are exceptionally close excluding the first 5 games getting used to 2005.

Since then I went 2 wins and 2 losses in preseason and 0-4 in the regular season. The 4 losses have all been close, I've led every game at some point in the fourth quarter.

If blocks were realistic I'd be at least 2-2. It's not my play either, I don't get blocked often, it's my computer controlled team mates not getting to the line and not evading block attempts.
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Postby debiler on Wed May 11, 2005 8:20 am

So why do you use player lock?
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Postby maes on Wed May 11, 2005 9:41 am

There will always be a high # of blocks even if you reduce the blocking sliders to 0.

It's a combination of everybody does a full jump every time, when IRL a player rarely jumps his max height on every jump, especially on defense when you have to employ short quick jumps off the balls of your feet (no deep coiled leg jumps that you can use for dunks) and the fact that all the shooting styles have very slow release triggers, which is there to put some player skill into shooting.

Realistically, you take a guy like Ridnour whose release is like 4/10th of a second, it would be impossible to hit his release point accurately.
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Postby 07944 on Wed May 11, 2005 6:29 pm

I agree, as you say if in real life the defender jumped to his max the shooter would pretty much draw contact a lot of the time and go to the line. This isn't happening in 2005.

Strangely enough I've just played a game last night, I won my last 2 pre season games, then went 0-4 at the start of the regular season. So I went back to play just a 'play now' game to try and work on a few things. I used the Bulls and played at Miami and won by 2.

I entered the fourth 5 points up, they closed mid way through to 41-38, then I had Curry set a high screen, Gordon sank a 3 to go 44-38. They closed with Mourning who scored and made one at the line to bring it to 44-41.

Curry went inside, scored, drew a foul, hit, 47-41. They called time out. Sent Shaq back in who I quickly doubled as he caught the ball, foul, Shaq makes 1 of 2, 47-42.

This is now with under two minutes to go and is normally how things go, I'm a few up then they come back. I did think this was happening again when Hinrich stripped the ball away from Shaq on another double team and went to pick up the lose ball, he was closest to it so I dashed out towards midcourt with Gordon so I'd receive the ball and go in for an easy 2 to make it 49-42, I figured that'd be game over. Anyway Hinrich doesn't budge, Wade somehow gets the ball, drops 2 and it's 47-44 with just over 1 minute to go.

I call time, go inside to Chandler (would have gone to Curry but couldn't get it to him in a decent position) Shaq was covering him to well so I figured Chandler would be the best option vs Haslam. Eddie Jones drops in to double, it's kicked out to Nocioni who sinks 2.

Timeout Miami.

They come forward, Damon Jones cans a 3 with under 24 to go. 49-47

Timeout Chicago.

They foul Gordon on purpose (my locked player). I hit 2 (to my surprise - was very nerve wracking). 51-47.

They rush up, Jones hits another 3, 51-50. They foul Gordon, I hit 1 of 2 (52-50) and there's now 6 seconds left. Timeout Miami, I put Duhon in for Ben, cover their guards and it ends up in Shaqs hands - he's for some reason outside the 3 point line, he gets a 3 off at the buzzer, it hits the rim and bounces off.

I can't quite believe it - first of all I'm thinking if that was a regular season game he's unbelievably make it, but it's confusing. I win the last 3 'play now' and lose the last four regular season games.

Does the computer play better in the regular season? I don't see why it would. I'm going to have to try and figure this out. It may be me playing too frenzied in the season each time it gets to the last few minutes. I must admit I did feel a lot more in control vs Miami.

Anyway that's my rant.
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Postby Motown_3 on Fri Jul 01, 2005 2:29 pm

Yea, the blocking is rediculous.... I can't shoot a 3 as sheed.... Udonis Haslem (6'8'') keeps blocking him. The only guy I ever had who wouldn't get blocked in 3 range was Eddie Wong... And he was 7'5''
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Postby Lessthanjake on Fri Jul 01, 2005 2:43 pm

The only way to not get blocked is to go on off ball and lose your man. But that just means you gotta do a bit of a running chuck shot which has a lower percentage of going in.
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Postby Motown_3 on Fri Jul 01, 2005 5:34 pm

Yea...
IRL Sheed shoots over TD, in game he better watch out or boykins gonna block him..
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Postby 07944 on Fri Jul 01, 2005 6:26 pm

Yes, but going off ball does not work if you use player lock.
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Postby Blue Nugget on Fri Jul 01, 2005 8:01 pm

Just stop using player lock,it'll make things much easier. The shot release of your other players which the CPU controls is way too late,which in return leads to blocked shots.
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Postby 07944 on Fri Jul 01, 2005 8:34 pm

Thanks, will continue to use play lock though. Much prefer the game, feels more real from a player perspective.
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Postby tsunamisurfer on Wed Sep 14, 2005 4:05 pm

I play @ superstar.

Blocks are a dime a dozen and I have blocks set to ZERO universally.

Its most ridiculous when you see a player wide open only to have his opponent come from no where and send it back.

A partial way to combat this is for your shooters to only shoot 3pts from the baseline corners, or @ the side of the court.

NEVER shoot threes at the top of the key. If it is blocked, there is a near guarantee of a fast break dunk.

This also works in your favour, my guard T Mac leads the league in blocks, and its a guaranteed 3 fast breaks a game, he actually averages 4 bpg, but the opposition gets it back one in 4 blocks.
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