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NLSC Current Roster Update v2.0 Released

Postby Andrew on Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:13 pm

It's been a long time coming, but I've finished a new roster update for NBA Live 2005 using the roster and resources from the NBA Live PC Project for NBA Live 06. The new rosters, which I'm calling v2.0, can be downloaded here. Please read on for some important additional release notes.

Additional Release Notes

  • It's perhaps not a major concern for some but I went back and forth on what to call this version of the roster update since it's technically not a continuation of the previous roster updates I was doing for 2005 but a conversion of the rosters in the NBA Live PC Project, themselves a conversion of the 07 rosters which were originally a conversion of the 08 rosters. Rather than call them 1.0 (in line with NBA Live PC) or v2.8 (in line with the updates for 07 and 08), I've opted to go for 2.0; the next round number up from my last release for 2005 (v1.18). Again, probably not an issue for some people but I hope that clears up any confusion in the lineage.

  • Overall ratings tend to grab too much attention at the best of times but I'll certainly admit the overalls in the update might strike a lot of people as being "wrong" or weird-looking as the ratings are taken from the 06-08 updates and 2005 calculates its overalls differently. Team overalls in particular are much higher than you'd expect, with pretty much everyone in the 90s when all injuries are ignored.

    The good news is that this is pretty much a cosmetic issue and players and teams do seem to perform as desired in gameplay and simulation; in other words, the individual ratings are working out fine. Therefore it shouldn't pose too many problems except perhaps trades in Dynasty Mode, and even then players whose overalls have dropped still tend to be equal (ie two players rated 75 overall in NBA Live 06's rosters who are now rated 70 overall in NBA Live 2005's rosters still have equal trade value), so it shouldn't cause too many problems.

    I will continue to evaluate this based on feedback however and may have to make some adjustments to make sure the ratings are definitely "NBA Live 2005 friendly". Before you provide feedback in this area though, I do ask that you put aside any notions of overall ratings being right or wrong and see how the rosters play for you with the slider settings of your choice. With Marek's help and through my own testing I feel the results should be satisfactory for most people as is but like I said, it's something I will continue to evaluate and consider.

  • A lot of face files were made for NBA Live 07 and NBA Live 08 and thus do not have headshapes that are 100% compatible with NBA Live 2005. Like the PC Project, until we can replace all these files there will be players who don't have the right hair styles (ie anyone with "unusual" hair that requires a hair shape file) and certain players won't wear headbands even though they've been assigned. I can only work with the art files I have at my disposal, I'm certainly open to submissions so I can replace art files that aren't working 100%.

  • Speaking of faces, I'm pretty sure I've included a face for everyone but in just in case I've missed one, please let me know and I'll source one from 07 or 08. If you're missing a lot of faces then the art hasn't been installed properly and you should consult the included help file to fix the problem. But if it's just one or two here and there, then I've probably left someone out. Hopefully that won't be the case.

  • I can't make any promises about any of the roster updates as I can't be certain of what the future holds but the current aim is to continue to support the older games in addition to covering the latest releases in the series. Since I've found a way to streamline updates and greatly reduce the time it takes to update multiple games, my aim is to include 2005 in the games I continue to update beyond this season.

  • Roster updates are a work in progress and with so many players in the league (and thus the database), there are always changes that can be made. Feedback on ratings, accessories and a range of other corrections and suggestions is most welcome. All I ask is that you please be constructive and read release notes such as these so that you are aware of certain issues (like the one concerning overall ratings) when providing feedbacl.

That's about it. I hope you enjoy the rosters!
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Re: NLSC Current Roster Update v2.0 Released

Postby Marek on Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:55 pm

:applaud: You did a hard, great job Andrew. Thank you for this, and for your devotion.
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Re: NLSC Current Roster Update v2.0 Released

Postby Scottybasketball on Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:21 am

Andrew this came as a nice surprise! Thank you, (Y)

With this game in particular there has to be a formula when doing ratings. Some sort of bar that ratings can and cannot go above or under.
The shortcomings of this game have to be addressed with the player ratings; or to me it just is not playable. The blocks, steals and lack of assists are a few glaring ones that I can think of off the top of my head.
NBA Live 2005 more than any of the newer versions has multiple almost game killing issues that have to be addressed through player ratings.

All of this makes it hard to convert down a roster for great game play use.

Andrew I have downloaded but as of yet have not tested or even looked at the ratings yet. (Easter probably has something to do with it)
From my many attempts to create rosters for this game; above were the problems I have run into. I am not saying this roster is or is not good, in a couple of days I will leave some feedback and possibly some constructive criticism on how things could be better.

Excellent job though, because god knows this game has needed an updated roster for quite a long time now. :D
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Re: NLSC Current Roster Update v2.0 Released

Postby Fcuk Orlando on Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:06 am

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Re: NLSC Current Roster Update v2.0 Released

Postby Andrew on Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:04 am

Scottybasketball wrote:With this game in particular there has to be a formula when doing ratings. Some sort of bar that ratings can and cannot go above or under.
The shortcomings of this game have to be addressed with the player ratings; or to me it just is not playable. The blocks, steals and lack of assists are a few glaring ones that I can think of off the top of my head.
NBA Live 2005 more than any of the newer versions has multiple almost game killing issues that have to be addressed through player ratings.


I'd disagree there, NBA Live 07 and NBA Live 08 PC have a lot more issues in that regard (and elsewhere) particularly NBA Live 08 which was a very sloppy release. I've found that the 06-08 ratings do seem to work pretty well with NBA Live 2005 but some more tweaking may be required and it might be worth making some changes to the sim engine file as well. The good news is the lengthy part - getting a stable roster that's up to date out there - is already done so it's something I can work on with everyone's feedback. :)
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Re: NLSC Current Roster Update v2.0 Released

Postby Wohngebietsuwe on Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:15 am

Wow, Andrew. This Roster patch is tremendous work. Thanks alot! As I went through the rookies and sophomores I didn't find anyone without a picture, the ratings are appropriate (in my mind) - I'm simply happy :applaud:

Now I have to start a new dynasty ^^
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Re: NLSC Current Roster Update v2.0 Released

Postby _____ on Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:10 am

Thank you so much, Andrew. I recently switched over from NBA Live 08 to 2005. And so I was thrilled to hear that you were developing a roster patch (seems like I switched at a good time). Your hard work is very much appreciated. Thanks!
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Re: NLSC Current Roster Update v2.0 Released

Postby Andrew on Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:00 pm

You're welcome. Please let me know how the ratings work out. :)
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Re: NLSC Current Roster Update v2.0 Released

Postby schnider514 on Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:07 am

Hi Andrew,

I just started to use your roster update patch and so far so good, you've done one hell of a job. Thanks for this wonderful patch. However, I experienced an error where the game crashes with the following error when I play in Dynasty Mode with some teams like Denver & OKC: (tried uninstalling and re-installing the game, same error comes up.)

CODEBASE ERROR

Error#: -70
Error#: 91102
Reading file....
dfile4...()
TEAMS

I actually put a comment and sent you an email as well with a screenshot of this. Sorry to be a pain. Anyway, hopefully you can take a look at this and hope it's not a major glitch.

I'll report any error that I encounter, but so far this is the only one. And btw, the ratings & slider settings are great. Makes it more realistic for this game.
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Re: NLSC Current Roster Update v2.0 Released

Postby Wohngebietsuwe on Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:06 pm

schnider514 wrote:Hi Andrew,

I just started to use your roster update patch and so far so good, you've done one hell of a job. Thanks for this wonderful patch. However, I experienced an error where the game crashes with the following error when I play in Dynasty Mode with some teams like Denver & OKC: (tried uninstalling and re-installing the game, same error comes up.)

CODEBASE ERROR

Error#: -70
Error#: 91102
Reading file....
dfile4...()
TEAMS

I actually put a comment and sent you an email as well with a screenshot of this. Sorry to be a pain. Anyway, hopefully you can take a look at this and hope it's not a major glitch.

I'll report any error that I encounter, but so far this is the only one. And btw, the ratings & slider settings are great. Makes it more realistic for this game.


I get this error, too. It -sometimes- occurs when I want to trade players via the trade window after I saved my game. Beforde the save I traded a lot, after the save it freezes, if I want to trade again.
I couldn't figure out exactly why this happened, maybe because Andrew used files from other NBA Live versions? Or does this happen due to the renaming of the Seattle Sonics to Oklahoma City Thunder?
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Re: NLSC Current Roster Update v2.0 Released

Postby schnider514 on Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:16 pm

Wohngebietsuwe wrote:
I get this error, too. It -sometimes- occurs when I want to trade players via the trade window after I saved my game. Beforde the save I traded a lot, after the save it freezes, if I want to trade again.
I couldn't figure out exactly why this happened, maybe because Andrew used files from other NBA Live versions? Or does this happen due to the renaming of the Seattle Sonics to Oklahoma City Thunder?


Andrew said he has thoroughly tested it but he will check it out for sure. I tried what he requested me to do but to no avail.
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Re: NLSC Current Roster Update v2.0 Released

Postby Andrew on Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:25 pm

It really shouldn't happen as the files are fine (if they're corrupted or have errors they shouldn't even be able to load) and the art files don't cause Codebase Errors. I'll certainly check it out though, I'm releasing another version this week anyway for the Playoffs.
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Re: NLSC Current Roster Update v2.0 Released

Postby schnider514 on Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:10 am

I guess we just have to wait for the other version of this update. Can't wait for that. :mrgreen:
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Re: NLSC Current Roster Update v2.0 Released

Postby schnider514 on Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:20 pm

I think I just got the solution to the error. Copying your files from your NLSC08 save folder to the ORIGINALDB (in the main NBA LIVE 2005 Directory) solves it for me. No more crashes, and everything is working fine in Season and Dynasty mode. Haven't tried trading players yet but so far so good. Try it out. :mrgreen:
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Re: NLSC Current Roster Update v2.0 Released

Postby ERROR on Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:16 am

I more changed Rosters ,try it http://asai.nba.googlepages.com/0417.exe
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Re: NLSC Current Roster Update v2.0 Released

Postby Wohngebietsuwe on Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:18 am

schnider514 wrote:I think I just got the solution to the error. Copying your files from your NLSC08 save folder to the ORIGINALDB (in the main NBA LIVE 2005 Directory) solves it for me. No more crashes, and everything is working fine in Season and Dynasty mode. Haven't tried trading players yet but so far so good. Try it out. :mrgreen:


Ah, thanks. I'll try it when I play NBA 2005 next time. At the moment I'm giving NBA 2k9 from 2k Games a shot. Seems to be a cool game up to now.
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Re: NLSC Current Roster Update v2.0 Released

Postby Andrew on Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:23 am

ERROR wrote:I more changed Rosters ,try it http://asai.nba.googlepages.com/0417.exe


Are those my rosters, edited? Because you certainly didn't ask permission to re-release them.
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Re: NLSC Current Roster Update v2.0 Released

Postby ERROR on Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:53 pm

Andrew wrote:
ERROR wrote:I more changed Rosters ,try it http://asai.nba.googlepages.com/0417.exe


Are those my rosters, edited? Because you certainly didn't ask permission to re-release them.


yes your,much error(players rating(fg,3pt,dunk,blk,steal etc)dunkpack))
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Re: NLSC Current Roster Update v2.0 Released

Postby Andrew on Sun Apr 19, 2009 12:54 am

Yes, well, if you have any suggestions feel free to make them but you do not re-release anyone's work without asking their permission first, which you certainly did not. Do not do it again; next time, you will be permanently banned. We do not tolerate patch stealing in this community. That's your final warning.
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Re: NLSC Current Roster Update v2.0 Released

Postby ERROR on Sun Apr 19, 2009 1:08 am

Your roster is very bad,much 14 dunkpack`s is not real,i create by real stats from nba.com.I have found some errors and fix it,if you wouldn't you can dont send.
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Re: NLSC Current Roster Update v2.0 Released

Postby Andrew on Sun Apr 19, 2009 1:55 am

My roster is "very bad"? I'm sorry you feel that way, others certainly don't seem to think so. I would suggest you learn how to put forth constructive criticism instead of acting like an ungrateful brat and trashing other people's work. Also, you do not take someone else's hard work - and I worked damn hard trying to get the rosters out and spent a lot of time on it - and re-release it without having the decency to ask them first. Do not steal patches again, or you will be permanently banned. No ifs, no buts, no more warnings. Shape up fast, or you will be banned. End of story.

EDIT: Since 2.0 has been superceded by v2.1, I'll lock this thread to prevent any confusion and direct everyone to this one.
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