The More Games I Play, The Less Games I Finish

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The More Games I Play, The Less Games I Finish

Postby ChicagoBulls6in8 on Wed Nov 12, 2003 1:11 am

Once again the curse of only having 1 game has struck. I am not an All Star guru but it doesn't have the challenging feel that Superstar has. But, superstar only enhances the problems that I have with all star.

My main problems are Interceptions(a problem in Madden also), too many blocked dunks from behind where the blockers head is above the rim, and the fact that having a hand in the face seems to have no effect on the CPU shot.

No matter how many sets of sliders I try it doesn't change the fact that I hate sliders and they have marked the demise of my sports gaming. Since they have been introduced to games I haven't had fun with a game. I am always stuck between whether or not to use them and end up essentially wasting 50 bucks.

Do you know that I have not played more than 1 season of any of the last 2 years' sports games?

So, can anyone give me any pointers on the sport of basketball? Like fundamental things they teach you from the AAUs on up. I love the game of basketball but I don't know the ins and outs of it like I do football.

If I can't find something soon it will end up being another $50 waste.
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Postby Strike1 on Wed Nov 12, 2003 1:43 am

Hello!

Is the fieldgoal % of the AI very high and does the computer hit every 3pointer like in NBA2003?
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Postby BrotherJRB on Wed Nov 12, 2003 8:32 am

Love to help ya bro but you got to be more specific on what you want answered?

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Postby kobe882 on Wed Nov 12, 2003 8:32 am

Strike1 wrote:Hello!

Is the fieldgoal % of the AI very high and does the computer hit every 3pointer like in NBA2003?


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Postby Catawba on Wed Nov 12, 2003 11:20 pm

Yo, I know exactly what your going through and I've always had the same problems with Madden. You want to have the most realistic and challenging experience, and the sliders can help you tailor that to your play style. However, you don't know if changing the sliders is going to fix the problems and then you don't know if your are beating the computer because its gimped by sliders or because you are actually playing good. Then there is the issue that you don't know if your are getting picked off alot because the defense is playing good, its a fluke, or because the interception ratings of the defense is just too high.

The problem with all of this is that you have to know the fundamentals of the game like your asking for in order to decide what area of sliders needs to be fixed. This is especially the case in Madden, where if the computer is consistently abusing your defense in the passing game, you may be able to just fix it by tweaking the pass blocking and qb accuracy instead of messing with defensive awareness and pass knockdown sliders.

I think this is MUCH easily done in NBA Live probably because you will have less players and statistics and aspects of the game to take into account for each part of the game that is frustrating you. Its also easier to compare whether the player thats throwing bad passes or whatever is doing it because he's not that great of a player or because the cpu is just pulling bullshit steals out on you.

Also the NBA season is longer if you are doing a dynasty. I always went in and played a game in Madden then looked to see if anything was rediculously challenging and modified that slider by about 10 points. You have to play a couple games and see where your statistics stand after each game to see where you are getting burned the most. Then compare your team statistically to teams with simlarly rated players to see if they get robbed as many times as you do, and if they don't bump, that slider 5 or 10 spots until you get compareable results.

Another safe thing to do is to play in one of the offensive sets and memorize them so there is less guess work in where you are passing the ball and what other things you are doing on offense. This will make it less likely that your results are based on forced passes or forced shots. For example, I was throwing alot of picks in Madden, but it was probably because I was running the qb all around and throwing passes instead of taking sacks. When I had alot of picks, I was also usually the least sacked quarterback in the league.

With NBA there probably isn't alot of things like that you have to worry about. Its all pretty straightforward with trying to get open looks and get shots closer to the basket. Also mixing up the types of attacks and plays you run is also key. The NBA season is also long, so if you change a slider and you think that its getting too easy now because your getting better at the game, just start slowly lowering the sliders again until you hit the sweet spot.
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Postby Strike1 on Wed Nov 12, 2003 11:23 pm

[quote="jrlocke"]Love to help ya bro but you got to be more specific on what you want answered?

Basketball is the best sport in the world![/quote]



Well, with NBA 2003 good players hit every shots and in the fourth quarter the CPU made nearly every 3pointer.
In addition to that I got very many blocks in a game.
The unnormal high FG% was the main reason, why I haven't played it so often in the last time. In NBA 2001 there were more realistic FG%.

So, is NBA 2004 more realistic than NBA 2003 or is it the same?
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Postby deluxxe on Thu Nov 13, 2003 6:25 am

you know... i honestly think that the CPU team is told by the program to shoot as close to 50% as possible.
The last few games of live 2004 i've played i've had really good, tight D in the first half. I contest all their shots. Even Malone and Shaq in the post miss because i play them so tight. Then, for some reason, the CPU in the second half just goes nuts hitting every shot (i don't change my style of D at all).
So, no matter how good of D i play, the CPU will ALWAYS light me up in the 4th quarter. Hands in the face, double team, contesting every layup, don't matter... because they're going to make the shot whether you like it or not.
I've been able to gimp them with sliders... but i'm like you. i HAAATE sliders.
If i change the sliders I shoot 50% and THEY shoot 35%. that's no fun either.
I haven't been able to come up with a comfortable slider solution. And that's why live 2004 has been sitting on my shelf for the last week.
I don't have time to tweak the game to realistic and fair settings. That's not my job, that's the developers job.
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Postby Strike1 on Thu Nov 13, 2003 5:41 pm

Yes, you're right.

Thanks for your help!! :D
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Postby alexlive on Thu Nov 13, 2003 5:48 pm

Play with 3minute quarters for awhile and figure out the sliders during a mock season. Then never think about it again. Start simple.
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