Some more lessons from the old Forum

[Andrew]

Recently there's been discussion of EA's involvement with the online community, specifically their interaction with fans through unofficial fan site forums (such as the NLSC Forum). While it isn't in our best interest to say everything's fine when there are elements of the game we think could be improved, we must still be respectful and tactful in our approach and attitude.

Take these posts for example:

Nba live 2001 okay for pc
Where's TIM?...
Us PS2 Owners Deserved Better......

Remember, constructive criticism should not contain insults, and are most effective when they are presented in a calm, mature manner. It's not about EA being able to accept criticism, it's about providing them with constructive criticism that doesn't contain profanity, threats or insults.

Perhaps if we can show EA that we're willing to give them a chance to tell their side of the story and we won't flame them whenever they post, they might get involved in our forum.

What do you say?

[cocobee]

Recently there's been discussion of EA's involvement with the online community, specifically their interaction with fans through unofficial fan site forums (such as the NLSC Forum). While it isn't in our best interest to say everything's fine when there are elements of the game we think could be improved, we must still be respectful and tactful in our approach and attitude.

Take these posts for example:

Nba live 2001 okay for pc
Where's TIM?...
Us PS2 Owners Deserved Better......

Remember, constructive criticism should not contain insults, and are most effective when they are presented in a calm, mature manner. It's not about EA being able to accept criticism, it's about providing them with constructive criticism that doesn't contain profanity, threats or insults.

Perhaps if we can show EA that we're willing to give them a chance to tell their side of the story and we won't flame them whenever they post, they might get involved in our forum.

What do you say?

Great Post, man I forgot about those black backgrounds (classic). The only thing I would suggest is as a "community" we all act mature and leave the personal attacks somewhere else. I would love for people from EA to respond here. All I can say is Thug and the other moderators have to be on their toes for those upcoming "rude" newbies who like to just say shiet to say sheit.

[Cameron]

Reading that "where's Tim?" thread I see why the guy doesn't post here anymore...

EDIT -> Sorry, ALL of those threads you just made links to show why Tim doesn't post here anymore.

[BIG GREEN]

heh...im pretty sure if anyone from EA decided to post here they would get no hassle...or wont see any hassle.

come on EA :)

[EGarrett]

Perhaps if we can show EA that we're willing to give them a chance to tell their side of the story and we won't flame them whenever they post, they might get involved in our forum.

What do you say?

I'm one of the people arguing that we need to appreciate whoever comes by to give info to the forum. However...Tim gave wildly inaccurate information on more than one occassion. Example...

I consider the Rebounding to be fixed and so do a lot of people on this board. We have completely new Ball phsysic in Live 2002 and that obviously make the Rebounding completely new as well. It takes a while to learn how to play this game and Rebounding is one of the tougher aspects to master. However, it is fixed and not predetermined or cheating.

Also...if I could find the forum search feature I'd locate the thread where Tim guaranteed everyone that there would be a patch made for Live 2002 PC...

Everyone was unappreciative of Tim being there...but it's not as though all of the blame was on them. If someone would come here and talk with us it'd be great...but the first thing I'd do...after congratulating them on the gameplay, etc...is politely ask them is why they didn't fix the Free Agent signing and why they changed the player models to resemble 2k3. If they consider that rude they'd probably better not come.

PS: It's good to have a reminder that I've been killing threads for a long time...

[cyanide]

would love to see Tim or a EA representative come on the board and answer questions. That's what we're all itching for, even though we might sound like an angry offensive bunch. I hope everybody cooperates if Tim or a rep. comes here. If Tim does post here, I promise that I would not do any flaming and, like Andrew said, converse with constructive criticism. If he was here right now, I guess my first post would be:

First off, great job to EA for improving the gameplay. The Live community appreciates the hard work put into the gameplay this year. The addition of the Dynasty mode is great, but how has the free agent trading bug been overlooked? This is probably the biggest flaw and bug that could be easily avoided through testing. Also, why is the PC release date not mentioned in EA's website at all? A lot of complaints could have been avoided if EA simply posted a PC release date on their site instead of making it look like everything was released.

[cocobee]

Andrew, i hope all this talk is going to lead somehwere. I know Tim or EA reads these post--but I hope they come out and talk to us. We are loyal fans and just want to know about the game we love.
We can't control the people who are rude and flame, but hopefully those post can be deleted/erased. If Ea understands that as a "community" as a whole, we really have good intentions. Unlike the immature people who actually post on the NBA Live message boards over at EA Sports. If you don't know what I mean, head over there--it gets ridiculous. I put this site up there with the likes of Operation Sports, SGN, IGN etc..as far as NBA Live related information.

[Hotshot]

man, it would be downright awesome if Tim or any one of the guys from EA started posting here at the NLSC forums. just a suggestion though...just to keep things in check, how about adding a few more mods?

[Andreas Dahl]

having EA repesentatives around would indeed be cool.
although they shouldn't have to anwser every god damn question regarding the game asked by idiots that's to lazy or to read what's already been said, or to ignorant to trust it. let them be like every one else here... i don't realy think they wan't any special treatment.
for example; they probebly wan't people to way what they realy mean, instead of having them trying to suck up to the man...


about more moderators... i don't realy find that necessary. Andrew and Thug is doing a great job...
keep it up guys

[endofanera]

I read all those at the time, and I still have the same judgement today as I did then. Tim need's to get a thicker skin, much thicker skin.

How can you work in a creative field and get upset so easily? Maybe he should go and dig ditches or something.

If you are communicating with YOUR customers, who are shelling out money to use YOUR product, then to have an attitude of "Well if you don't like it then don't buy it" is total BS and it's a total lack of regard for the community. The demo is no argument, EA's demo's are usually so short that it's pretty hard to judge the game and heaven forbid that we even discuss a demo expander Because that might upset EA and they are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts, they don't make any profit out of this at all, and if we offend them they might not make NBA Live anymore

99% of software retailers DO NOT allow returns on opened software, where I work all software sales are final, opened or not for example.

If your customers are stuck with your shitty product that they cannot return and your attitude is "If you don't like it don't buy it" then that is pathetic.

I don't believe that the customer is always right, however large groups of unhappy customers usually are.

If I purchase NBA Live 2004 this year and it's a pile of junk I am going to harrass EA until I get a refund period. I'm sick of shelling out money that I have EARNED to these arseclowns for a product that only fulfills half of what it claims.

[Andrew]

Tim need's to get a thicker skin, much thicker skin.

I'm sorry, but I completely disagree with you. There's a difference between constructive criticism and just plain insults. Also, Tim received all of the blame for people's complaints about the game. Seeing as he's not the only person working on NBA Live, he should not alone be held responsible for any shortcomings or gripes with the game.

How can you work in a creative field and get upset so easily? Maybe he should go and dig ditches or something.

Insults are immature and unnecessary, and are not helpful in a creative field. Constructive criticism doesn't involve insults or threatening remarks.

If Tim or any member of the production team is willing to answer questions for us, then we shouldn't throw it back in their faces.

If I purchase NBA Live 2004 this year and it's a pile of junk I am going to harrass EA until I get a refund period. I'm sick of shelling out money that I have EARNED to these arseclowns for a product that only fulfills half of what it claims.

Gee, I wonder why EA doesn't post here. It seems as though you can't even mention their name without calling them some insulting name. Frankly, your attitude stinks, and if you're wondering why EA doesn't see it worthwhile to answer our questions, then just take a look at some of your recent posts. I don't mean any disrespect, but do you really expect them to take you seriously when you call them arseclowns and threaten to raise hell if the game isn't up to your standards?

Speaking of the questions we might ask, why should EA bother to answer them if people are just going to respond "Yeah, right" and "Liar!"? How can they improve the game if all people (not you, but other individuals in the past) are just going to say "Fuck EA, your game sucks!" and nothing else. That's not constructive criticism.

If we do get some EA reps posting in the forum, and they are flamed, then the punishment is going to be the same as flaming any other member of the forum. And if it gets to the stage where some users flame EA reps out of the forum or continue to cause trouble, then the punishment will be very severe indeed.

[Jackal]

If year after year you guys are disappointed in Live, why the hell do you keep buying it? Oh, maybe because it's the only Company that bothers releasing it for the PC platform. Atleast they give a rats ass about us PC users. If you have a problem with Live, there are other basketball games out there. Go satisfy yourself with those. Stop bitching about the Live Series, and go buy another game.

[Bredrin]

I read all those at the time, and I still have the same judgement today as I did then. Tim need's to get a thicker skin, much thicker skin.

How can you work in a creative field and get upset so easily? Maybe he should go and dig ditches or something.

If you are communicating with YOUR customers, who are shelling out money to use YOUR product, then to have an attitude of "Well if you don't like it then don't buy it" is total BS and it's a total lack of regard for the community. The demo is no argument, EA's demo's are usually so short that it's pretty hard to judge the game and heaven forbid that we even discuss a demo expander Because that might upset EA and they are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts, they don't make any profit out of this at all, and if we offend them they might not make NBA Live anymore

99% of software retailers DO NOT allow returns on opened software, where I work all software sales are final, opened or not for example.

If your customers are stuck with your shitty product that they cannot return and your attitude is "If you don't like it don't buy it" then that is pathetic.

I don't believe that the customer is always right, however large groups of unhappy customers usually are.

If I purchase NBA Live 2004 this year and it's a pile of junk I am going to harrass EA until I get a refund period. I'm sick of shelling out money that I have EARNED to these arseclowns for a product that only fulfills half of what it claims.

Your really missing the point, but youve hit the bitter moron bullseye. Pardon the flame if it is

[Wall St. Peon]

My brother works for Ritual Entertainment (www.ritual.com); the first game that he worked on and was released was Elite Force 2. I don't know how many of you play that or heard about what happened with it, but the game received great reviews from nearly every type of media, and it was a PC Gamer's Editor's Choice, so it was a good game. However, about a month after it was released, Activision sued Paramount for something that was stupid and halted production on the game and made Ritual unable to release editors and patches for the game because of legal reasons. What's the point? I'm getting to it.

My brother posts fairly religiously on the message board at www.ritualistic.com and he answers questions and gives people help; most of the people at Ritual do that. Now, during this whole time militant Star Trek geeks are bitching about the game, things like, the phaser rifle doesn't have chrome on the bottom and things like that, things that don't matter. On top of that, you have the online gaming community bitching about not having the tools to create their own multiplayer maps. Then, you have the ones bitching about how the patch isn't coming out, and THEN, you have the ones who are all of the above. Now, we have people like that on this board as well, in NBA Live form. OK, now picture in your head what would happen if one of the developrs started posting...got that picture? Good...now, it's not exactly the most hospitible climate, is it? I mean, you have people saying "fuck ea, fuck you, your game sucks" and then you have the people posting legitimate points.

While the profanity and insults aren't constructive, they are still feedback. If you're a game developer, you have to expect that people won't like your game, and you have to be ready for the insults from ignorant teenagers who can swear because their parents aren't watching what they're typing. If you're the maker of anything creative, be it web sites, patches, literature, and so on, you have to realize that not everyone will like it, and a lot of people will simply say 'that sucks' without saying why. It happens.

But at the same time, you have the people making legitimate complaints and suggestions. You CANNOT ignore them, that's poor customer relations. This is the number one NBA Live fan site on the internet, no? If this is where the majority of NBA Live fans gather to share ideas and other things to do with the game, then there should be at least one person hired specifically to look at these message boards for consumer feedback. Odds are pretty good EA does have a rep like that visiting the boards, but not posting is simply cowardly. If you spend money on a crappy product, you should have the right to complain to the maker. We have no way whatsoever to do that, be it with profanity or paragraphs. EA should be on this message board and they should be active posters.

If they want us to think they care about us, then they should act like it. Until then, I'm going to play Live and bitch about the horrible dynasty mode in the PS2 version, but in the same breath, I'll praise the gameplay. 2004 is hit and miss, yes, but EA SPORTS really needs to get a rep here so we can have feedback.

Oh, one last analogy: if you work at a fast food restaraunt and make someone a burger, and then they don't like it and bring it up to the counter, call you over, and then proceed to curse you out without telling you what's wrong with the sandwich, what do you have to do? Smile, apologize, and fix the problem, be it a discount or a new sandwich. Rule number one: the customer is always right....

[endofanera]

Tim need's to get a thicker skin, much thicker skin.

I'm sorry, but I completely disagree with you. There's a difference between constructive criticism and just plain insults. Also, Tim received all of the blame for people's complaints about the game. Seeing as he's not the only person working on NBA Live, he should not alone be held responsible for any shortcomings or gripes with the game.

He is an EA representative, therefore he is going to be held accountable by his customers when he is posting on this messageboard. Thats life, I work with the public and they see me as the company, and bitch at me about our product. I don't own the company and have little control over most of our products. However as the customers only point of contact I represent the company as a whole. Tim should accept that.

Nobody forces Tim to read threads that have gone south or reply to abuse. It was far easier to take his ball and go home.

How can you work in a creative field and get upset so easily? Maybe he should go and dig ditches or something.

Insults are immature and unnecessary, and are not helpful in a creative field. Constructive criticism doesn't involve insults or threatening remarks.

If Tim or any member of the production team is willing to answer questions for us, then we shouldn't throw it back in their faces.

[b] Again nobody forces him to reply, and if someone is out of line then they can be banned, the thread can be deleted or locked and Tim can choose not read it. Simple.

If I purchase NBA Live 2004 this year and it's a pile of junk I am going to harrass EA until I get a refund period. I'm sick of shelling out money that I have EARNED to these arseclowns for a product that only fulfills half of what it claims.

Gee, I wonder why EA doesn't post here. It seems as though you can't even mention their name without calling them some insulting name.

Fair enough, I'm out of line calling them names. But as I have said before I don't think that is a good enough reason not to post. Nobody forces Tim to read threads that have gotten out of line. Do they?

Frankly, your attitude stinks, and if you're wondering why EA doesn't see it worthwhile to answer our questions, then just take a look at some of your recent posts. I don't mean any disrespect, but do you really expect them to take you seriously when you call them arseclowns and threaten to raise hell if the game isn't up to your standards?

No my attitude does not stink. I am a disgruntled customer, I am exercising my right as a consumer to be upset a sub standard series of products which I have paid for in good faith.

I don't care whether they take me seriously to be honest and I never mentioned raising hell if it wasn't up to my standards. I stated that if the game didn't fulfill what EA promises ie. the game box states that the game is a realist basketball simulation and it is clearly not then I will seek a refund which I believe I am entitled to correct? How is that raising hell? How is that unreasonable, I would love for you to explain that to me.


Speaking of the questions we might ask, why should EA bother to answer them if people are just going to respond "Yeah, right" and "Liar!"? How can they improve the game if all people (not you, but other individuals in the past) are just going to say "Fuck EA, your game sucks!" and nothing else. That's not constructive criticism.

Again, EA can choose to ignore such posts, or perhaps justify what they are saying. Instead of saying for example "Oh we have fixed the rebounding, it is really good now" and expecting to be showered with thanks and expecting that this is the end of the discussion they could post box scores from test games etc.

If we do get some EA reps posting in the forum, and they are flamed, then the punishment is going to be the same as flaming any other member of the forum. And if it gets to the stage where some users flame EA reps out of the forum or continue to cause trouble, then the punishment will be very severe indeed.

I don't have a problem with that unless it becomes Nazilike where nobody is permitted to disagree with EA. Nobody is allowed to ask pointed questions, etc and this site becomes some cheerleading marketing tool for EA

[endofanera]

I read all those at the time, and I still have the same judgement today as I did then. Tim need's to get a thicker skin, much thicker skin.

How can you work in a creative field and get upset so easily? Maybe he should go and dig ditches or something.

If you are communicating with YOUR customers, who are shelling out money to use YOUR product, then to have an attitude of "Well if you don't like it then don't buy it" is total BS and it's a total lack of regard for the community. The demo is no argument, EA's demo's are usually so short that it's pretty hard to judge the game and heaven forbid that we even discuss a demo expander Because that might upset EA and they are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts, they don't make any profit out of this at all, and if we offend them they might not make NBA Live anymore

99% of software retailers DO NOT allow returns on opened software, where I work all software sales are final, opened or not for example.

If your customers are stuck with your shitty product that they cannot return and your attitude is "If you don't like it don't buy it" then that is pathetic.

I don't believe that the customer is always right, however large groups of unhappy customers usually are.

If I purchase NBA Live 2004 this year and it's a pile of junk I am going to harrass EA until I get a refund period. I'm sick of shelling out money that I have EARNED to these arseclowns for a product that only fulfills half of what it claims.

Your really missing the point, but youve hit the bitter moron bullseye. Pardon the flame if it is

Nice post, comeback when you can actually debate something rather than posting lame one liners.

[BIG GREEN]

endofanera, Tim is not EA...he can only do what his job requires of him. EA is a international conglomerate and one man cannot be held responsible for a game produced by the company. Attacking Tim or any other of EA's staff if/when they post here will only get you banned.

You can talk about thick skins or thin skins but regardless of what anyone thinks about Tim..EA sports..or this board...any rule violations will land you in trouble with this community. Thats just the way it is...accept it or leave.

One can make complaints about the game in a civilized and mature manner to EA reps. We all know the nba live series is not perfect but all we're saying is...follow the rules.

[JdotK]

Tim needs to come back, because Live 04 is the best version of Live ever and he needs to be thanked.

[EGarrett]

The fact is...the new NBA Live team that took over circa Live 2001 have fumbled around and put out a sub-optimal game every year. Are the games playable enough that they get bought? Yes. But...I've already gone on record saying they should be fired and replaced by EA Big.

They remain though...and the general lack of attention to detail and continued recurring of huge errors (Broken free agency in dynasty mode is a lot more then chrome on a phaser) make most Live fans feel disrespected and unappreciated. It's only magnified when we play or watch fans of other sports play FIFA and Madden which are both amazing and nearly flawless games. A lot of that frustration boils over and when someone from EA shows up here...they become the focus of it.

Frankly...as long as Live is the way it is...I don't see an EA rep being able to be on a public forum without becoming the target of some anger. A lot of people here are immature and tactless...but when your customers are that unhappy with you...the creator has to take some of the blame. If a rep wants to come on and honestly discuss the game...why the game came out the way it did...then great. If you need more moderators to insure that people stay constructive I'd gladly volunteer my services. But if a rep wants to come here and basically lie about the flaws in the game...make false promises...or demand that people pretend that it's perfect...I'd rather he just not come at all...because that would just be more disrespect of the audience...

[cocobee]

i have a feeling we are being prepared for a visit, I think if we all act like mature adults about the game and make it a point not to point fingers or name call--we all can be ok.

Guys, Yes Tim in the past made some promises-but we don't know the whole situation. How do we know that EA might of told him:"yeah tell them this and that, so Tim did--then a couple of weeks later they tell Tim"we can't release it anymore-sorry"--Then Tim has to tell us. Then naturally, we all blame Tim for this. YES--I was just as upset as the next guy, but later I realized and was thankful that Tim had the balls to tell us the truth instead of not telling us anything. He probably didn't get paid anymore or less for that action. People, if you are still bitter over that fiasco--then there's the hill, GET OVER IT!

If we ever get an EA rep to come here and answer questions, me and I hope some of the other veterans around here will try to help Andrew and Thug keeping the forum clean.

We have to understand that they are here to help and are not here to be a target. If you like the game GREAT, if you don't then find a way to express that situation without personally calling names or blaming one particualr person.

And for the EA rep-if you don't know or can't give us the answer--just tell us that, don't make things up. Brutal honesty is the best measure in these situations--yes some people will get upset but atleast they can't accuse of you of suger coating or lying.

[Forky]

I tend to agree with EndofanEra Mr.Shane's comments. Probably not with some of Endofanera's more vehement arguments but still with the point of the post as a whole.

Particularly with Mr.Shane's observation about teenagers coming onto the board and swearing cause their parents don't know or don't care. That will happen on a medium like the internet. That 'Whazuuup' guy ranks as a favourite candidate for that category.

I have worked in, at the lowest level as a salesman for various companies and now work as a teacher and am what could be considered a highly qualified professional - I have two degrees (I'm not trying to blow my horn here, merely inform you for my point). Sometimes a child in my class simply can't understand a concept that is being taught (even though twenty nine others may), it's not his fault - things may not have developed at what is considered an average rate. But the fact of the matter remains, he can't.

Now, not often, but on various occasions I have been abused by the parents/parent/guardian of the child because their child has not made the progress that they believe he should have made. Or been abused by the parents because they do not think that this subject matter is necessary. The abuse has been personal and usually is in this situation. (The abuse I recieve is face to face mind you and on one occasion has come close to being physical.) All teachers have been on the receiving end of this at one time or another. Some deserve it some don't.

My only course of rebuttal is to point out what I have taught the child, how I have taught it and explain that this needs to be taught by law. Nothing more. I have to grin and bear it because that is what I am being paid to do. Parents have their differing view points and in these situations often think that they know better (in terms of teaching, psychology and content), even though their profession may be in the IT field, or in minerals mining.

My point is that it is the same everwhere, even in a government job that is generally well protected from this sort of thing. You take the good with the bad, consider it and move on. You don't stop, that generally is considered to be the 'soft' option.

If EA comes into this forum they will get negative emails (and making sure they can't see it [the acceptable ones, not ones like 'Whazuuuup'], Yohance, is called censorship).

Also, Tim's comments about not buying if you don't like it are pretty weak. Especially when something touts itself as having all sorts of great groundbreaking features, you buy it expecting that (cause it's written on the box and on all the advertising material) and then find out that none of them actually work (they are there, just enough so it's not false advertising).

Again, you have to take the good with the bad. That's what a market and feedback are all about.

[Forky]

By the way, this is great debating. I really enjoy it and will be printing it off to show my students as an example when it seems to be finished.

[Andrew]

I agree that EA reps would have to take the good with the bad. There will always be a couple of troublemakers, and they will be dealt with. After all, no matter who you flame in the forum, it's against the rules.

The point I'm trying to make is that people should not abuse the privilege of being able to interact with members of the NBA Live production team by using the opportunity to simply attack EA and call them all sorts of insulting and immature names, make simple-minded threats and basically spam threads with messages that just say "EA SUCKS!".

Also, if everything an EA rep says is greeted by an accusation of "LIAR! I don't believe anything you say", what's the point of them posting at all? What's the point of them interacting with us if we're not interested in hearing what they have to say?

We should strive to avoid immature insults and tirades that bash EA without providing any constructive criticism. We should be able to behave ourselves and follow the rules, no matter who we're talking to. The mods and myself will take care of troublemakers, but everyone should try their hardest to follow the rules at all times.

Negative feedback should be constructive, not nasty. Obviously, not everyone is going to be diplomatic and friendly, but everyone should at least give it a try. Set out to be constructive, don't plan on being a pain in the butt.

If we can show EA that we're willing to listen to what they have to say, provide constructive feedback and allow them the same rights as everyone else in the forum, then maybe we'll get the interaction we seek.

[bishibashiboy]

I guess i'll throw my 2 cents since everyone is.

I agree with most of the sentiments in this threat, both the 'angry' and the 'defense'. Yes, the insulting reponses of the past were unconstructive, but you take the good with the bad. Just like in school, you have the trouble makers and the others.
Tim needs to come back, simply cuz we need to interact with the company in some way; and he's the best candidate. The majority here will probably welcome him, while there will be the minority that will still act like 2 year olds and flame him on sight. As endofanera said above, he can just ignore the posts that are derogatory and plain stupid. It's a waste of time to even respond to those and he should know better given his past experiences running this msg board.

I personally love seeing developers on other boards. It really shows commitment to the community when they do that. WE are the ppl that really love this game and support it, and by not "throwing us a bone" every now and then it builds discouragement. It makes ppl always think: "gee what the hell are they gonna screw up next year?"

I honestly think EA should visit more often because they obviously can't find the year-in-year-out mistakes that are in Live. I hate that turnover bug that's still there after like 3 years. It's actually a big thing to me, and is easily resolved. Without an EA rep here, it makes ppl think: "do they even KNOW such a bug exists?" They also don't seem to know what DOES and what DOESNT' work in the game. The cpu shooting lights out when they're down with a couple minutes remaining while the player can't hit a shot thing is ridiculous. The lack of an in-game save after Live 2000 is just plain stupid. Once again I ask: "do they KNOW how much ppl hate this kinda thing?" Anybody listening? Anybody answering? It's about time EA does.

[Pirate]

I understand that Tim created this site. I understand if it were not for him this site might never have come about. I understand Tim now works for EA. But he made this site as a fan, he is now a professional. He no longer needs to visit like you all say he does. Tim probably still looks at the boards, he may even be reading this and shaking his head at endofanera, but he does not need to post. He may have info on the game, but probably not much more than we already know. He is one man, one person in a team of over twenty that put this game out. One Man. He has no obligation to answer our questions, he does not get paid to do so. He gets paid to develop the game. They get our wish list at EA they read our complaining, and in a lot of cases try to fix it. The issues with the Live series are not Tim's problems they are EA's so please let the poor man be. One Dev post a week does not show commitment. It's not like they will leak us new info on the game that has yet to be released because we are a so-called community. We don't deserve any more than the rest of the public. It's ok the game will be here in November. And remember it's only a game.
If your money is so darn precious save it up, don't waste it on a game.