Player ratings

[Swoosh]

Im kinda curious how the player('s overall)ratings(im not talkin bout the f*cked up speed and stuff and blocking and other stuff wrong with the gameplay, only ratings) will turn out cuz, in 2003 they were pretty good in my opinion but some players were way under or overrated(like tim thomas,what does anyone c in this guy?! 86 overall?!!! ow pls, and walker is overrated in every single ea game im gettin kinda sick of that, and nowitzki should b way higher), so what about a top ten(or twenty) of the best players(with or without overal ratings)? Im not gonna post mine b4 others give their opinion but i think t-mac and td should b highest rated players,just slightly above kobe and garnett(and probably shaq).

[Swoosh]

I know there will be a lot of differient opinions(cuz evryone likes a particular player more than the other but i dunt like kobe but im honest enough to know he is arguably the best guard though my edge goes to t-mac) but im gonna give mine already cuz i seem to b the only out here this hour of the day :p.

1)TD (bout 95)
T-mac(idem)
3)Kobe
KG
Shaq
6)Kidd
C-webb
8)the truth
the answer
10)Nowitzki

thats it for now, but i didnt like in 2k3 that francis and davis are better than iverson(kinda luv him ) but well, evryone what they like :p

[Scary Hedo]

1. Tim Duncan
2. Kevin Garnett
3. Tracy Mcgrady
4. Kobe Bryant
5. Vince Carter
6. Allen Iverson
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Jason Kidd
9. Chris Webber
10. Dirk Nowitzki

[Hotshot]

1. Tim Duncan
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Tracy McGrady
4. Kevin Garnett
5. Shaquille O' Neal
6. Allen Iverson
7. Jason Kidd
8. Vince Carter
9. Chris Webber
10. Paul Pierce

[Power And Proud]

Jerry Stackhouse always seems to be the best player in Live in terms of ratings. 92 to start of with, ends up at 95, while TD is a 89, T-Mac is 88.

[Andrew]

The highest rated player will probably be the Legends/90s All-Stars Michael Jordan. Of the active players, the player with the highest rating will probably be Duncan, Shaq, KG - or perhaps all three.

Personally I don't mind the higher overall ratings (going into the 90s) - as long as the other players are scaled accordingly.

[Swoosh]

idd andrew, but thats just what i mean, legend jordan highest range seems logic to me but im talking about the other ones cuz like i said antoine walker a 92(or 91 dunno exactly), tim thomas an 86, that aint ok for me, sure i can lower their ratings nstuff but i like to stick to the original . Do u guys think Yao and Stoudemire will be rated quite high, and what about Curry and Chandler, especially Curry impressed me the last two months, one of the best C's at the East in my opinion. But oh well, we have to wait i guezz .

[Swoosh]

Ow and andrew, u made a nice prediction but u still havent told me the top ten u would like to c (no legends) .

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1 - Duncan
2 - Kobe
3 - Garnett
4 - Shaq
5 - T-Wack
6 - Kidd
7 - Iverson
8 - Webber
9 - Nowitzki
10 - Pierce

[FaT__MiKe]

1. Tim Duncan
2. Tracy McGrady
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Kevin Garnett
5. Allen Iverson
6. Shaquille O' Neal
7. Jason Kidd
8. Chris Webber
9. Vince Carter
10. Dirk Nowitzky

[Jackal]

Kobe4MVP...After 6...comes 7 you know...not 8 hihihi
1- O'Neal
2- Duncan
3- Bryant
4- Garnett
5- McGrady
6- Kidd
7- Iverson
8- Webber
9- Nowitzki
10- Pierce

*Side Note* I hope that Big Bens Rebounding ratings are correct he shud atleast have 16 rpg in Live '04 and then TD etc with 12-15

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Kobe4MVP...After 6...comes 7 you know...not 8 hihihi

haha....houd je bek

Im stupid...improved it already

[The Big Racist]

1.tim duncan
2.kb8
3.t-mac
4.kg
5.shaq
6.allen iverson
7.jason kidd
8.lebron james
9.steve franchise
10.chris webber

[Andrew]

idd andrew, but thats just what i mean, legend jordan highest range seems logic to me but im talking about the other ones cuz like i said antoine walker a 92(or 91 dunno exactly), tim thomas an 86, that aint ok for me, sure i can lower their ratings nstuff but i like to stick to the original

Yeah, there are some overrated players (Darius Miles 87, for example), but it's all relative. If the highest overall rating is 96, then 86 isn't really the same rating is was back in NBA Live 2001. Still, even on that scale some players are overrated. It's easily fixed though.

Do u guys think Yao and Stoudemire will be rated quite high, and what about Curry and Chandler, especially Curry impressed me the last two months, one of the best C's at the East in my opinion.

They'll no doubt be rated higher than they were in NBA Live 2003, based on their performance in the 2002/2003 season. They probably won't be among the highest rated players in the game, but they'll probably be 80+ overall.

Ow and andrew, u made a nice prediction but u still havent told me the top ten u would like to c (no legends)

I guess it would go something like this:

1. KG
2. Duncan
3. Shaq
4. Kidd
5. Kobe
6. Iverson
7. T-Mac
8. Webber
9. Nowitzki
10. Payton

But there's going to be three or four on the same rating, ranging from 95/96 down to around 91/92.

*Side Note* I hope that Big Bens Rebounding ratings are correct he shud atleast have 16 rpg in Live '04 and then TD etc with 12-15

That's more a matter of DSTATS, which will of course be updated with 2002/2003 statistics - so there's no need to worry about that.

[Jackal]

02-03 DET Ben Wallace RPG: 15.40

Well in 2003-2004 Ben avereged 15.4 as you can see...but in my game...he still usually averages about 11 to 13 rpg...So are the D-Stats of 2003 live wrong...which means that 2004 could be wrong too... ...?

[joemimic]

1.tim duncan
2.t-mac
3.kb8
4.kg
5.shaq
6.allen iverson
7.jason kidd
8.lebron james
9.steve franchise
10.kenyon martin

Lebron? He hasn't even faced NBA competition, because of all his hype and his ability he'll be rated high but not as high as proven NBA players, and Martin isn't even in the same league with Nowitzki and Webber yet, 16/8 this year while Webber and Dirk are scoring 20+ with 10+ boards Webber even had 5+ assist per game this year.

[Andrew]

Well in 2003-2004 Ben avereged 15.4 as you can see...but in my game...he still usually averages about 11 to 13 rpg...So are the D-Stats of 2003 live wrong...which means that 2004 could be wrong too...

They're not wrong, it's just that the DSTATS in Live 2003 are from the 2001/2002 season, during which Wallace averaged 13 rpg. Live 2004's DSTATS will be from the 2002/2003 season, meaning he'll average around 15 a game simulated.

[Jackal]

Oooohw like zhat....thanx fer the clear up Andrew...

[Andrew]

No worries.

[crimson_stallion]

1)KG (95)
2)Duncan (95)
3)Shaq (93)
4)T-mac (93)
5) J-Kidd (92)
6)Kobe (91)
7)Nowitzki (90)
8)Webber (90)
9)Brand (89)
10) S Marion (88)
11)J Oneal (88)
12)P Pierce (87)
13)B Wallace (86)
14)P Gasol (86)
15)Abdur Rahim (86)
16)Steve Francis (85)
17)G Payton (84)
18)A Iverson (83)
19)Ray Allen (82)
20)S Marbury (82)

This can't be to bad a list as its an exact replica of the NBA Efficiency rankings. My only variations were upping Kidd to number 5 and removing Malone (hes one of my favorite all time players, but hes number will likely fall next year assuming he doesnt retire. I raised Kidd because I think no other team can take a team from world class joke to 2 time consecutive conference champions (in both regular season and playoffs) in a space of 2 years. In reality aside from kidd very little was changed in NJ, and wihtout him id be willign to bet theyd still be rock bottom, no matter what other PG they may have signed (lets face it, they had Stephon, how much more can you ask for?).

It was a tough choice between KG and Duncan, as statistically both are outstanding, but in the end it was KG just tipping the efficiency rating, and taking winning crunch time that made him my vote. I think the fact that he hasn't gotten past the first round with minnesotta isn't a big issue, as he is without a doubt in my mind the best forward in the league at the moment (I still consider Duncan a centre) and possibly teh best all round player, period. I rated him top, but gave equal ratings, because the two together IMO are probalby the best 2 players all round in the NBA today.


Another issue, VC isnt in there because he wasnt in the rankings. This i belive is simply because he didnt play enough games, or i could be sure hed be in there. Id probably slot him in before Wallace at 12th after guesstimating the stats he would hhave probably averaged (25ppg, 5.5rpg, 4apg, 1.5 spg, 46% FG, 79%FT, 38% 3PT).

Also, I think the fact that Rasheed barely made the top 30 in efficiency ranking begs the question "how could he possibly get a higher rating the duncan..". I would say, going by the ratings ive thought up above, Rasheed should be around the 80-81 point..anyone who didn not make the top 30 should be below 80, beause i don't think there should be bench players with 80+ ratings, unless in very special circumstances (i.e. you have Duncan, Shaq, Kg on the same team, and webber on the bench.

ratings should maybe go from 0-100 instead of 50-100, that way 50 could represent an average player, 65 -70 a quite solid bench player, 75-85 a quality starter, and 85+ an all star. 70 is abit of a high number to give a below average player, as is 60 for a no hoper.

I wanted to minimise the shifting, so there are some positions i would shift around, but generally the list to me looks quite decent.

[Swoosh]

U put the answer THAT low, are u outta ya mind (nothing personnal, just an AI-fan )!!! He deserves more credit, there aint no player that whos getting that much banged up in the league and just keeps getting up and not to mention about his amazingly fast first step and the ability to create his own shots(but gotta admit that his fg% is way off ), he should rank ninth or something, if it was only becuz his will to win(and thats why the US olympic team is gonna take revenge, they got an answer )

[Tuomas]

1. Shaq Daddy
2. TD
3. AI
4. T-Mac
5. Kobe
6. KG
7. C-Webb
8. J-Kidd
9. VC
10. The Truth

[Swoosh]

I have read on espn or something that shaq hired a trainer to get in shape and most of all lose weight, can u imagine him a couple of kg's lighter, he will b a beast, again, his ratings gonna pop thru the roof ,but the nba would be boring again .

[Jackal]

I've read this sumwhere on the net too...But would you know which site...I cant find it anymore...Man Shaq back in shape...do you hear the wimpers

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Yeah..read the same thing, I believe it was something about T-Mac´s trainer but Im not sure...Im going after a link right now