Technical fouls....

[Ceasar121]

I have read that the switch shots option in the air will be available(thru some sort of contact initiation), hopefully this will be as good as Madden so that my hand won't be thru T-Mac's head when I go for a steal. Also annoying is how the ball goes thru your player on the reverse dunk... Anyway I was thinking, if they are implementing a second button press to change your shot midair, why not make it so you can hold the shoot button to hang on the rim when you dunk?!? This could make it possible to get technical fouls and could create some intersting collision detection animations, the possibility of getting ejected etc.. I wish I could get a job as a programmer for this game, I would love to try and write the code for this!

[Andrew]

I remember in the original Kobe Bryant in NBA Courtside for the Nintendo 64, you could hold the shoot button to hang on the rim and get a technical. You could pick up as many techs as you wanted though.

[Icebane]

I remember in the original Kobe Bryant in NBA Courtside for the Nintendo 64, you could hold the shoot button to hang on the rim and get a technical. You could pick up as many techs as you wanted though.

I loved that about that game... The rebounding was ok too;)

Arcade mode needs to let you break the rim and backboard!

[Icebane]

Also annoying is how the ball goes thru your player on the reverse dunk...

The ball should Richochet of you into the crowd or something

[ludasan]

it should be like HHbaseball2002 in a close play the player react and get angry i try like pushing the button more anda more i dont know if that affect the game but that time i got ejected i though cool...if you can get rash wallace to get in the face off the referee if your lossing bad...get ejected...that be cool

[joemimic]

There could be a button where if you press it after certain things like a foul or a non call it would trigger a cutscene where maybe it shows your guy backing down court and yelling something at the ref or varying degrees depending on the person. Certain people should have higher degree's of arguments ala Sheed Wallace and Vlade Divac. Coaches arguging should be uncontrolable action but should have the same parameters with the coaches arguing after a call or non call, make a scale maybe depending on how many technicals and ejections they got this season. I'd like to see live 04 have more Coach Customization like Madden has. Ability to change coaches especially bringing their style of offense to the team and their set plays.

[Andrew]

I'm probably the only person who isn't really in favour of introducing technical fouls. Sure, "if it's in the game, it's in the game", but then again, there are suspensions for drug use in the NBA too. Should that be in the game?

In my humble opinion, unsportsmanlike technicals are not a part of the game to be celebrated, recognised, or given a lot of attention. Same with fights, and I hope fights in particular never make their way into the NBA Live series.

And the question is, why would you want to do something (press a button to argue with the referees) that could get one of your players thrown out of the game? Sure, it would make things more interesting and challenging at times, but I don't see it as a necessary part of the game. At least if it was controlled by the user, it wouldn't be as random.

[Power And Proud]

Technical fouls should be in the game, but only for the right reasons. Things like fights, drug use, players throwing out their naked wifes out of the house onto the streets. Stuff like that should not be in the game, but things like hanging on the rim, arguing with the ref too much, and little heated arguments between players, those types of techs should be in the game.

[Jux]

couldn't agree more with andrew....

[blackcat05]

ya little arguments would be sweet. for example: in game 7 dirk was fouled by vlade and dirk walked toward vlade bumped him in the chest and exchanged some international words you probably wouldnt hear at a UN meeting. just simple things like that, nothing to drastic like an Artest or a jeff van gundy on zo's leg.

[Prime!]

Well, a good idea in the Player Edit feature is temper. If they had that feature, certain players would do different things! And in options, they could have a feature to turn off the temper. (Just an idea!)

[joemimic]

I wasn't suggesting fighting or anything that severe just a little jawing with the officials With more severe reactions to a call that leads to techs like when Jim Jackson looked over at an offcial and screamed somethin and he got a tech. No fighting just something to add another element to the gameplay. Other reactions could be as simple as a cutscene with them muttering a few words going up court, looking back at a official and saying something, when you would hit the button that trigger these things maybe a calmer player with a less temper rating like someone mentioned earlier, say a person with a temper rating of 0 gets called for a foul and you pressed the button, there could be a cutscene of him walking over and talking to the official and then walking away maybe laughing or a smile on his face because of the call. They could range from yelling at the refs, actions such as throwing your arms in the air, pumping your fist like Rasheed likes to do after no calls, maybe even slamming the ball against the support. I in no way wish to see any fighting in the game because it's not a real part of the game but I don't think the introduction of technicals with a good system would harm the game more than it would hurt it.

[Colin]

It really should be in the game. I mean the NHL franchise has taken fights into the game, and you even fight them like you were playing a wrestling game. In the controller configure you choose what you want to be 'left hok' and so on.

[joemimic]

I think this is feature more people than not would want, i don't know if I'd really want total fighting in the game because that rarely happens in the NBA but I know I do want some type of talking with the officials and perhaps other players that earn players technicals and ejections.

[rEdHoBBeS]

Well, a good idea in the Player Edit feature is temper. If they had that feature, certain players would do different things! And in options, they could have a feature to turn off the temper. (Just an idea!)

i like this. now, how bout this idea to build on this.. instead of a button that u would press in order to do somethin such as yell at the ref (in close games, who would use that anyways..) based on the temper, players or coaches would randomly perform an action that would result in a t, so it would bring a lil bit more nba atmosphere to the game.

[Colin]

About my previous post, I wasn't implying the NBA Live franchise should have fighting, I'm just saying that EA put fighting in the NHL series, so why not just put technicals in Live.

And about the temper rating, I suggested this much earlier, also all temper ratings would go up in the playoffs. And there wouldn't be any in the all-star game. Speaking of the all-star game, there should be seperate freestyle controls for the All-Star game so players do more street stuff. They could just incorparate some Street moves.

[joemimic]

Good ideas by everyone, hopefully maybe EA has a suprise for us this year...or in 2005

[smithy_17]

in my opinion fighting should not be an element of any nba-live game. but in nba games arguing (not necessarily t`s) with the refs about calls is as common as dunking. so i think it should definitely be implemented in one way or the other. the easiest way would be to make that depending on the rating of players and coaches as mentioned above.

but i´d like to see it being implemented that way: at first there should be, randomly, foul calls where actually no foul occured (it´s not in the game yet, as far as i know). arguing of coaches should still be automatic, depending on their rating, the importance of the game and whether the game is close or not. the user, who is controlling the players on the field, has a certain button that allows him to argue with the ref if he´s standing near to him. depending on the game situation (e.g. playoff,1st qtr -3rd foul/4thqtr -5th or 6th foul,) the player you control starts to argue at a certain level of confrontation if you hit that button (if the questionable the call is made on the final play of a close game it should start at a higher level). depending on the status of the player (veteran or rookie, captain of team or role player), the type game (in playoff-games more arguing should be allowed) and a random value the referee should take some degree of arguing without calling a t´. the arguing should to some degree effect the future calling of the game (or even a playoff-series). if the call on the play was wrong and you argue then it should be more likely to get non-call even in a situation where there was actually a foul (but not on hard fouls though). if the call on the play was right and you argue then it should be likely to get such an injustified call again. the more you hit such an "argue-button" during the "conversation" with a ref the more effect should it have. if it is an already heated situation and you are repeatedly hitting the button you are likely to get at a t´ very quick. on the other hand if it was an unjustified call and you are arguing a lot you might get the next call in favor of your team (even when receiving a t´) and maybe can start a run because you can play tighter d and come away with more contact on the defensive end. the same does your cpu-controlled opponent. if he´s feeling that there were unjustified calls or the refs call little contact he starts to argue.

this would add a lot of realism (as it happens very often in the nba, that a team starts a run even after their coach or one of their key players has been thrown out of the game with the 2nd t`) and fun, as it requires a lot of intuitive feeling and sometimes luck to get the refs your way.

what do you think?

[Andrew]

As always it's an interesting idea, but personally, I don't think unsportsmanlike technicals need to be in the game. Besides, it would be pretty hard to implement favourable calls as the result of arguing. Wouldn't it be better if the game was called right down the middle? Obviously, the real game isn't always, but you can't put everything into a video game.

[smithy_17]

but everyone (ok, alomost) playing this game wants to have the game feel as real as possible. and in the nba there are a lot of questionable calls. and professional basketball is in my opinion the game with the most debating and arguing about calls in professional sports. it should be implemented.
just look at madden 2003 where there´s wrong calls implemented in a very beautiful manner. you can challenge them and watch them on replay. it isn´t hard to implement. as a team you can´t officially challenge a call in the nba. but arguing about calls is a similar way. if there a lot of questionable fouls called on your team and you argue a lot the refs have a tendency of letting your team get away with more and calling tighter on the other team.
i would like to see that happen, that would bring a lot of atmosphere.
just remember the playoff-series` between the knicks and bulls in the early 90´s. the game as it is now just can generate such a playoff- and rivalry atmosphere.

[Andrew]

Point taken. I guess as long as it wasn't too random ie if you get whistled for a tech, it's because your arguing too much, not because a random cut scene makes you pick one up.

I still say it's a part of the game that doesn't necessarily need to be in the game though, but it's not as though I'd boycott the game if techs were included. I wouldn't boycott the game if there were fights either, but I certainly don't want to see fights in the game. That would be giving attention to an ugly part of the game - something that should not be a part of basketball.

[smithy_17]

i agree, fights should not be part of the game. i could even do without t´s being called. but i´d like to have good calls and bad calls just like in madden and i´d like to have the possibility to argue a call, even without t´s.

[Andrew]

But I guess if you're going to allow the argument of calls, you might as well put techs in as well. Mind you, sometimes when I play, I think that the good calls and bad calls aspect is already in the game.

I'm skeptical about technical fouls making their way into the game though. The NBA really likes to preserve its image, and EA have mentioned before that it's highly unlikely technicals will be implemented in NBA Live. Still, times change, so you never know.

[smithy_17]

there you got the point. i think they will not occur in an nba game (at least a video game) in the near future (5 yrs). so i could live without it, though it should be part because it is a very important aspect a real nba game. even more so is arguing.

[Andrew]

Yeah, it will likely be some time before they are implemented (one might say if at all. ). In the mean time, we'll have to settle for calling timeout when we have none left or picking up a Defensive 3 Second Violation, and pretend there's been some trash talking or an argument with the referees.