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Destroying Dallas!!!

Fri May 28, 2004 2:17 am

I don't know about you. But I find the Mavericks the hardest team to beat in NBA Live 2004. Does anybody hear know how to beat them convincingly?

Defensively, if I double Jamison, then Finley has a career night. If I switch to doubling Finley, then Nowitzki goes bananas. Nash seems so talented in passing the ball to Jamison/Finley for those breakaway dunks... not to mention La Frentz ability to nail the 3ball.

so in trying to slow down their fast breaks, I can seem to catch up with Jamison/Finley to intentionally foul them.

I was actually down 0-2 to them and I almost smashed my keyboard in half out of shear frustration.

Question: Who do I need to double or pressure. Who is a defensive liability?

I'm finally caught up to them and tied the series 2-2 but I need some NLSC help! Thanks guys!

Fri May 28, 2004 3:33 am

When I play against the Mavericks, I don't even try to double any of them because of the problem you've mentionned. Indeed, the key to win is that they play no Defense. So I put a lot of pressure on defense with 1 to 1, but don't fatigue my players too much as I keep their strengh for the other end of the court :) You can't win against Dallas only with D

Fri May 28, 2004 4:43 am

Turn Crash Boards off, get back every time you miss, forget offensive boards.

Number two, LaFrentz? Say what? :?

Fri May 28, 2004 4:45 am

well im one of the best players in live because im ranked 103 online for ps2 and my reocrd is 129-28 i think. i just play them because the cpu is very easy to beat with sliders or default. just remember that your smart than the cpu and just play tough defense. use your big men to post up and its easy. thats why i never like playing my games in my dynasty because i would blow everybody out by 50.

Fri May 28, 2004 4:56 am

THE MAVERICKS ARE THE BEST TRAM IN THE UNIVERSE!!!! AAAAAHHHHH!!!!! (lol i dunno... they lost to the kings :( *sniff* *sniff*)
Yeah basically tyhey play no defence, you just cant really fall behind by that much cuz they'll keep hitting all theyre baskets and stuff and you'll be dead. You just have t0o have a good defencive team too, cuz u'll jsut get rebounds and stuff and keep having second and maybe 3rd chances on baskets u miss, and when they REARLEY miss you'll get the rebounds

Fri May 28, 2004 7:14 am

sbhzmafia wrote:well im one of the best players in live because im ranked 103 online for ps2 and my reocrd is 129-28 i think. i just play them because the cpu is very easy to beat with sliders or default. just remember that your smart than the cpu and just play tough defense. use your big men to post up and its easy. thats why i never like playing my games in my dynasty because i would blow everybody out by 50.


Very nice rank. Yea the cpu is pretty easy but I still sometimes get a challenge from them. Now that I am playing with the PC version I downloaded the magnificent NLSC Patch which included the 1992 Dream Team and for a challenge I am going to try to play as a bad team with one good player from the NBA and play against them. Every once in a while. Also, I like to play as the 1992 Dream Team all the time. :D It is my favorite patch too :shock:

Fri May 28, 2004 9:46 am

Don't double team anyone. Play man-to-man defense. Be in their face, don't ever let an easy jumper. Never play the 2-3 zone, possibly tinker with the 3-2 zone, although that allows for more offensive rebounds and fast break points. It's a gamble, but it can stop their half court set easier, especially if you don't have a big time weak side shot blocker.

Match up with them...don't have Hedo guarding Finley and Bowen guarding Daniels...switch it up so that you have your best offensive player/wing man/big man on their best wing man or big man. Do *NOT* get in the running game with them. Slow the pace down and run half court sets.

LaFrentz isn't on Dallas anymore. So I don't know your roster and can't tell you whose a defensive liability using your rosters. However, in real life, Nash (some what), Dirk (a lot), Jamison, Bradley (speed wise, not size wise, take up outside and drive past him) are the main defensive liabilites. Besides Najera they don't have a very good defender...

Fri May 28, 2004 7:27 pm

yeah, youve just got to keep defensive pressure on one on one. Get back on D asap...Dallas love those fast breaks. Try get them into foul trouble so that there reserves come in. They slow down the game a bit...(of course...there bench is still quite formidable)

Sat May 29, 2004 3:23 am

sbhzmafia wrote:well im one of the best players in live because im ranked 103 online for ps2 and my reocrd is 129-28 i think. i just play them because the cpu is very easy to beat with sliders or default. just remember that your smart than the cpu and just play tough defense. use your big men to post up and its easy. thats why i never like playing my games in my dynasty because i would blow everybody out by 50.



Put your rank to the test, you can't beat me online!!!

KILLACAMKOBE is my name, add me to your list!!!

THANKS GUYS!

Sat May 29, 2004 3:32 am

Sheesh get back on D is right, those guys get down the court like monsters…Yeh, I'm actually using the original in-package lineup(wished I did update it though…) that's why LaFrentz is still there.

I really tried doing ALL that you guys stated, 1 on 1 defense, pressure on everyone, no double teaming, get back on D, no board crashing…and ug, they still beat me by 7 on my first game back. (making me down 3 games to 2) I resorted back to what I thought worked in my previous wins, the 2-3 zone, and I was lucky enough that they didn't hit all their jumpers, and I squeeked out with a victory in overtime in Game 6.

I'm a bit hesitant about experimenting at this point…due to Game 7 elimination but the 3-2 zone does sound tempting…

…any other thoughts?

I appreciate everyone's help…eventually you'll read up on this in my Dynasty :wink: What drama with no team winning on their homecourt yet!

...

Sat May 29, 2004 3:35 am

KillaCam1100 wrote:
sbhzmafia wrote:well im one of the best players in live because im ranked 103 online for ps2 and my reocrd is 129-28 i think. i just play them because the cpu is very easy to beat with sliders or default. just remember that your smart than the cpu and just play tough defense. use your big men to post up and its easy. thats why i never like playing my games in my dynasty because i would blow everybody out by 50.



Put your rank to the test, you can't beat me online!!!

KILLACAMKOBE is my name, add me to your list!!!


Wow...a challenge...let me know who wins out! That's something I wish they had on doing a Dynasty...that you can have a ranking...or a score, based on the level you play, the years, the sliders yatta yatta. Then we'd know which Dynasty is the best!

Re: ...

Sat May 29, 2004 5:56 am

HonorGlow wrote:
KillaCam1100 wrote:
sbhzmafia wrote:well im one of the best players in live because im ranked 103 online for ps2 and my reocrd is 129-28 i think. i just play them because the cpu is very easy to beat with sliders or default. just remember that your smart than the cpu and just play tough defense. use your big men to post up and its easy. thats why i never like playing my games in my dynasty because i would blow everybody out by 50.



Put your rank to the test, you can't beat me online!!!

KILLACAMKOBE is my name, add me to your list!!!


Wow...a challenge...let me know who wins out! That's something I wish they had on doing a Dynasty...that you can have a ranking...or a score, based on the level you play, the years, the sliders yatta yatta. Then we'd know which Dynasty is the best!


LOL!!! He don't want none

Re: ...

Sat May 29, 2004 6:07 am

KillaCam1100 wrote:
HonorGlow wrote:
KillaCam1100 wrote:
sbhzmafia wrote:well im one of the best players in live because im ranked 103 online for ps2 and my reocrd is 129-28 i think. i just play them because the cpu is very easy to beat with sliders or default. just remember that your smart than the cpu and just play tough defense. use your big men to post up and its easy. thats why i never like playing my games in my dynasty because i would blow everybody out by 50.



Put your rank to the test, you can't beat me online!!!

KILLACAMKOBE is my name, add me to your list!!!


Wow...a challenge...let me know who wins out! That's something I wish they had on doing a Dynasty...that you can have a ranking...or a score, based on the level you play, the years, the sliders yatta yatta. Then we'd know which Dynasty is the best!


LOL!!! He don't want none


lmao i already know u cuz u went to my school and i beat u 5 times already. i even beat u with the suns while u had the lakers :P dont lie cuz u kno the truth.

Sat May 29, 2004 6:15 am

the other times i beat u twice with grizz vs. lakers

u quit in the game when i played u with suns vs. lakers

i forgot the other times i played u, but it was a blow out every single game. if anybody wanna see my record look at this link:

http://www.easportsnation.com/games/nba ... =bhzmafia7

i was in the top 30 for a while, but ive been playing alot of league games for my league and not alot of ranked games.

Sat May 29, 2004 6:19 am

WTF!!! I don't know you mann!!! What the hell are you talking about!!!

School? I don't live in Memphis!!!

BTW.....memphis grizz. suck

...hmmmm

Sat May 29, 2004 6:49 am

perhaps you guys can create a new "I'm better than you online" thread :D

I'm just trying to get help from both of you and the entire community because I suck and can't seem to pass Dallas and stupid Antawn Jamison's mad skillz. ...Game 7 approaches tonight.

sbhzmafia, perhaps you're thinking of another KillaCam1100?

Has anybody here ever lost a series? Nobody seems to want to admit it...perhaps I'm the only one here that may be breaking that string of user supremacy.

Re: ...hmmmm

Sat May 29, 2004 7:00 am

HonorGlow wrote:perhaps you guys can create a new "I'm better than you online" thread :D

I'm just trying to get help from both of you and the entire community because I suck and can't seem to pass Dallas and stupid Antawn Jamison's mad skillz. ...Game 7 approaches tonight.

sbhzmafia, perhaps you're thinking of another KillaCam1100?

Has anybody here ever lost a series? Nobody seems to want to admit it...perhaps I'm the only one here that may be breaking that string of user supremacy.


Sorry for messing up your post mann.
But BHZ will die online!!!

Sat May 29, 2004 1:25 pm

killacam stop playin around...i know its him he just tryin to play it off like i dont know him. and on ur profile you had ur location as memphis, tn, but u changed it to east coast. :lol:

Sat May 29, 2004 1:33 pm

sbhzmafia wrote:killacam stop playin around...i know its him he just tryin to play it off like i dont know him. and on ur profile you had ur location as memphis, tn, but u changed it to east coast. :lol:


Yo stop messing up his post mann!!!

Sat May 29, 2004 5:16 pm

Any team is easy really (for me) so here's some tips I guess.

If they go into the post, wait for them to start backing you down before you flop.

Play man to man, guard the ball handler, and get low (hold stick down) so you're wider and they can't pass you as easily.

If they start getting near the paint, they will shoot some off balance shot. Jump to contest (or block).

If they somehow get a wide open three, sprint up to the guy and jump, it will usually throw them off somewhat.

BTW- if you are on superstar, it seems the CPU ALWAYS makes open shots... If they are open, even for the slightest bit, they will make it.

Even on superstar, the CPU is not a good inbounder. Use the 1-2-1-1 Full Court Press on them. It doubles the ball handler and attempts to cut off the passing lanes. If you have the interception slider lowered, manually cut off the lanes (or stay out of the lane and jump into it when they pass).

You can always pro hop to the hoop and slam it.

You can use off-ball to stand right under the rim, then pass it in and dunk it. Usually the post man won't jump, so you can dunk right away. If he does jump though, the pass will be off and hit the rim.

When you miss a shot, GET BACK ON DEFENSE! Take one of your good defenders, get low, and slow down the transition offense. If they make some long bomb pass to a guy under the rim, have a shot blocker ready and time the block, or try to jump up and bump him.

If you have stronger post players: back down, spin, pro hop/power dribble (if necessary) and slam.

Mon Jun 28, 2004 5:01 pm

Hi, Just want to put my two cents in. The Mavs were my team but I became unbeatable. Now to further enhance the live experience, i searched far and wide for a way to beat them cosiderably! without the cheap inbounding steals.

I found San Antonio! YES BABY! Genocide is right, "D" is the key! They have no post presence so your looking to contest the outside shooter. Have the "D" on full court man-to-man. When he gets to about half court, double team. Have your best stealer on the nearest open man. You can get a stop(steal) that way.

If they get by you, they'll look for Dirk inside. Don't, I repeat, do not double team cause you'll leave some one open. With the Spurs, tight "D" him with Duncan. He'll try to back you down, take this time to get Nas down for help. Now have Duncan play "D" on him while you wait till he turns to shoot, use Nas to contest or block.

NOTE* When setting your "D", some times the CPU will call an ISO so Finely or Jameson can drive. When you find the Duncan is foollowing his man outside, manually bring him back down, as well with Nas. Keep them near the lane; but don't clog the lane, you want the CPU to go for the layup or dunk. Then with practice, you can block from the side. Duncan and Nas have block icons so they wont bump the guy and get a foul, they'll try for the block. Remember, don't clog the lane, just stand somewhere near the lane and near the basket(practice the position, can't explain without a diagram)

Back to the subject: When the balls moving around the arc, now double team. Specially when Finely or Nash gets the ball. Have your CPU sontrolled guys double team them while giving help with who ever is closest to the unmanned guy. The Comp won't risk a long pass to the weakside without going through the middle man, ex. the guy your switching from.
EX: Nash has the ball on the right wing. Double team, the man guarding Finely at the top of the key will double nash, now the man your controlling, the one guarding Jameson on the "Left WING" will help out and guard Finely, Note: Duncan and Nas are roving the key, the only open man is the guy on the left wing, Jameson. Now for the CPU to get to Jameson, the open guy, he'll have to go through Finely, the one your manually guarding, now when Nash passes to Finely, double him and repeat, till he's forced to shoot an unset shot cause of the clock. Takes some practice with the direct switching but it's pretty easy.

For offense. Use the offense of your choice. I usually go with the high screen of Duncan and Parker but it depends on your team. you power forward will usally be guarded by Dirk. To shoot around his 7' gurading. Wait for your PF to start backing down Dirk, as soon as Dirk's feet get inside the lane, pass to your PF, hold back with the analog stick for a trun around fade away jumper, with Duncan, its a 98% shot. Also, for easy scoring. I have alot more easy scoring suggestions in my other post, "MAVS GLITCH?"

Now if you miss! This is when gamers usually get beat by the Mavs. They worry too much about it. I found that the double team is the best solution. Not to mention that i have Duncan's offensive rebounding almost to a perfection. But when i miss the rebound, Manu is fast. As soon as you miss the rebound, quick play for a double team. Manu and Parker will get infront of Nash or Finely usually the ones who lead the fast break. That double team is the easiest way to battle the Mav fast break. As soon as the Mavs slow down. Manually get you shot blockers near the lane, and repeat my "D" suggestions.

I have alot more ways to beat my second favorite team; the Mavs.
Just email me
jbzskul@yahoo.com

Thanks, lemme know if it works for you =)

Re: THANKS GUYS!

Mon Jun 28, 2004 5:11 pm

HonorGlow wrote:I really tried doing ALL that you guys stated, 1 on 1 defense, pressure on everyone, no double teaming, get back on D, no board crashing…and ug, they still beat me by 7 on my first game back. (making me down 3 games to 2) I resorted back to what I thought worked in my previous wins, the 2-3 zone, and I was lucky enough that they didn't hit all their jumpers, and I squeeked out with a victory in overtime in Game 6.

I'm a bit hesitant about experimenting at this point…due to Game 7 elimination but the 3-2 zone does sound tempting…

This is far too late, but the 2-3 zone is exploited by good jump shooters and a good ball-movement team. The 3-2 is to fend off the perimeter...so it would ideally be good vs the Mavs. However, the design of the 3-2 zone (and IMO any zone other than the 2-3) in Live 04 is so terrible that it's not worth using.

Tue Jun 29, 2004 2:21 am

Thanks FanOfAll for your insight on the 3-2 zone. I really do appreciate it. Read up on my Dynasty this week and you'll find out the results!

Question: in real life the 3-2 zone subjects you to a weaker lost post defense I'm assuming.

Tue Jun 29, 2004 3:04 am

On the Mavs zone, I figured out that say, you should leave a good outside shooter in either the right or left corner. Then take you point guard and move towards him. Make the defender in the corner commit to you. Then pass it to the shooter. It works well most of the time because the CPU is too stupid to get over there and contest him, so they leave him open.

Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:57 am

know what would be a sweet NBA finals Detroit and Dallas??? Total Offense VS Toatal Defense
personally i think Detroit would sweep because they showed they can score against L.A but agian i am bias
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