END OF SEASON EDITS FOR 2004

These edits were done by following EA's rating tables...Based on "per 48 minutes"...

L. James - Cleveland
OReb-25
DReb-51
Ast-71
Stl-77
Blk-33
Stm-82
Prm-77
FT-75

R. Hamilton - Detroit
OReb-24
DReb-35
Ast-54
Stl-69
Blk-09
Stm-74
Prm-66
FT-87

C. Anthony - Denver
OReb-49
DReb-50
Ast-36
Stl-59
Blk-23
Stm-76
Prm-74
FT-78

A. Iverson - Philadelphia
OReb-14
DReb-34
Ast-76
Stl-87
Blk-04
Stm-89
Prm-93
FT-75

AK47 - Utah
OReb-62
DReb-67
Ast-40
Stl-82
Blk-86
Stm-77
Prm-58
FT-79

K. Garnett - Minnesota
OReb-61
DReb-99
Ast-61
Stl-68
Blk-78
Stm-82
Prm-77
FT-79

K. Bryant - L.A
OReb-35
DReb-50
Ast-65
Stl-81
Blk-18
Stm-78
Prm-83
FT-85

V. Carter - Toronto
OReb-26
DReb-44
Ast-60
Stl-59
Blk-39
Stm-80
Prm-80
FT-81

C. Bosh - Toronto
OReb-62
DReb-70
Ast-15
Stl-44
Blk-69
Stm-70
Prm-43
FT-70

Z. Randolph - Portland
OReb-68
DReb-85
Ast-26
Stl-41
Blk-22
Stm-79
Prm-63
FT-76

T. Duncan - San Antonio
OReb-68
DReb-97
Ast-40
Stl-46
Blk-88
Stm-76
Prm-78
FT-60

D. Miles - Portland
OReb-44
DReb-52
Ast-33
Stl-64
Blk-46
Stm-59
Prm-52
FT-70

T. McGrady - Orlando
OReb-30
DReb-55
Ast-66
Stl-64
Blk-25
Stm-83
Prm-91
FT-80

S. Jackson - Atlanta
OReb-26
DReb-45
Ast-40
Stl-82
Blk-17
Stm-77
Prm-61
FT-79

P. Pierce - Boston
OReb-19
DReb-70
Ast-64
Stl-78
Blk-31
Stm-80
Prm-82
FT-82

K. Perkins - Boston
OReb-89
DReb-98
Ast-41
Stl-00
Blk-83
Stm-07
Prm-77
FT-67

What are these? Player rating edits? BTW, the 48 minutes stat is the type where you have to judge the stat before you use it, like +/-. It can be misleading.

How the heck does AK-47 get a DREB rating of 67, while T-Mac gets 55 (a bit high...50 sounds better), PP gets 70 (??), and Perkins, who hardly played at all, gets a 98 (not to mention the fact that when he did play, he didn't clean the glass in the way that his fellow rookie teammate, Brandon Hunter did)??? (also, he has an AST rating of 41 when passing is one part of his game he needs to work on?)

What are these? Player rating edits? BTW, the 48 minutes stat is the type where you have to judge the stat before you use it, like +/-. It can be misleading.

How the heck does AK-47 get a DREB rating of 67, while T-Mac gets 55 (a bit high...50 sounds better), PP gets 70 (??), and Perkins, who hardly played at all, gets a 98 (not to mention the fact that when he did play, he didn't clean the glass in the way that his fellow rookie teammate, Brandon Hunter did)??? (also, he has an AST rating of 41 when passing is one part of his game he needs to work on?)

Well buddy...EA base thier ratings on a "per 48 minute" scale, like it or lump it!! I personally see no problem with the way EA has rated the players in thier game...As for AK-47 & T-Mac...well just in case you didn't know, strength, height & weight all factor in on the indviduals rebound performance...What's wrong with "The Truth" having a 70 D-Reb rating?? I'm almost sure he's a 70 in the default rating!! Anyway, IMO this is the best & most accurate way of rating players in NBA Live 2004...

Actually not really, look at a guy like Mike Bibby, he's a pretty good passer, but only gets 5 assists on Sac because they run through the bigs. Look at Payton, he's a better passer that his asssits per game show, but he's sharing point duties with Kobe.

How would you determine, strength, speed, quickness, hardiness, jumping, offensive awareness, defensive awareness, dunking etc with per 48 minutes? Some per 48 minute stats can also be decieving, especially with blocks and steals, because you'll see someone that gets an amazing amount of blocks or steals per 48 minutes, but they also get 8 fouls per 48 minutes, so when they actually played those minutes it would decrease because of foul trouble.

Their are also so many other factors, weight doesn't directly relate to strength always, look at a guy liek Darvin Ham, he can bench about 500, probably on of the strongest guys in the league, and he weighs 240, but is stronger than almost every other guy at 240.

Also with the ratings, perimeter players that are amazing jumpers shouldn't get really high rebound ratings because their jumping ability allows them to get boards, and with a high rebound ratings they get too many boards. When you play a game you'll have Carter, Tmac, Pierce, Kobe getting 9 rebounds every game.

Speed and Quickness also affects steals, dribble rating affects passing, and so many other factors to doing player ratings. Half the people that do ratings don't know Gadzuric has the speed of a guard, Nene is faster than a lot of players, Kandi was a track star and is very fast, Kedrick Brown has more hops than Carter, and many other things. So player ratings are not all about stats, you gotta have basketball knowledge, and a lot of it, remember that


EA's original ratings weren't good, they aren't that good at doing ratings, and many times masscre individual player ratings just so that the team rating looks right, and the person that complained is right, those rebound ratings are skewed.

The human element will always supercede ratings or any formula or equation you can come up with. The bottom line is that the only "accurate" way to be able to rate and assess talent levels and attributes of players is to know the game of basketball backwards and forwards. You should know that Walter McCarty was a track star, or that Ben Gordon can lift 350 pounds and leg press 600 or that Jamal Crawford ran the S.Carter EBC squad along with Sebastian Telfair all the way to the title game that NEVER got played, etc. How about a player like Jumaine Jones who started the season with a high ankle sprain that took forever to heal and when it did the C's pulled off a trade the pushed him to the bottom of the depth chart and when he FINALLY had a chance to get minutes, they then traded for Ricky Davis? According to stats, Jumaine is a scrub who has NO skills, when in actuality he just couldn't break the rotation, get any minutes or get in the rhythym this season. Common sense and basketball knowledge can't be beaten when it comes to rating players.

Oh yeah, EA Sports ratings system is horrible and extremely inconsistent. In some cases it's just WAY OFF. One.

What are these? Player rating edits? BTW, the 48 minutes stat is the type where you have to judge the stat before you use it, like +/-. It can be misleading.

How the heck does AK-47 get a DREB rating of 67, while T-Mac gets 55 (a bit high...50 sounds better), PP gets 70 (??), and Perkins, who hardly played at all, gets a 98 (not to mention the fact that when he did play, he didn't clean the glass in the way that his fellow rookie teammate, Brandon Hunter did)??? (also, he has an AST rating of 41 when passing is one part of his game he needs to work on?)

Well buddy...EA base thier ratings on a "per 48 minute" scale, like it or lump it!! I personally see no problem with the way EA has rated the players in thier game...As for AK-47 & T-Mac...well just in case you didn't know, strength, height & weight all factor in on the indviduals rebound performance...What's wrong with "The Truth" having a 70 D-Reb rating?? I'm almost sure he's a 70 in the default rating!! Anyway, IMO this is the best & most accurate way of rating players in NBA Live 2004...

So EA bases their ratings on per 48 minute stats and that means we should? Because EA just happens to have Jerry West as consultant and West uses per 48 minutes when determining how good players are and because West is such a genius, we should listen to EA, which means we're listening to West? Come on, get real. EA is hardly a basketball god.

Yeah you know what weighs into someone's rebounding rating even more than strength, height, and weight? Their boxing out ability. Fundamental basketball right there for you. You watch Big Ben and he's there boxing out all day long. He's knows the in's and out's of boxing out. He's, guess what, closer than 6'8" than he'll admit. And if you watched that Game 3 of the Indy-Det series, you saw Al Harrington muscle him down 3 times for 2 baskets, the 3rd almost went in. If you watch Big Ben for 82 games, you'll come to realize taht he's not the strongest guy. He's not the heaviest guy, nor is he the tallest guy. Yet he's such a great rebounder.

PP is a very good rebounder for a shooting guard. But have you checked out his stats? Does he average 10 rpg? He only averages 6.5 rpg, which is very good for a 2, but does that mean he should have a 70 rating? No it doesn't. When you're a wing player, a lot of your rebounds come off loose balls and tips, not from boxing out, fighting for position, muscling out the other guy, and snatching that ball out of the air. And again, just because his default rating is 70 (which I doubt), does this mean that the best rosters should have him as a 70 dreb rating? Is EA the mastermind behind Joe Dumars and Donnie Walsh?

FYI, the Mad Dog averages 10 ppg and 10 rpg for 48 minutes. Trenton Hassell averages 8.6 points and 5.4 rebounds per 48 minutes. So remind me, why doesnt the Mad Dog start the 4, move KG to the 3, Spree to the 2, and Hassell to the bench??? Look at Mad Dog's numbers!!! They are far better than Hassell's per 48 minute stats...so is Flip Saunders an idiot and EA a genius? I guess so. Oh wait I remember why the Mad Dog doesn't start. Per 48 minutes can misleading and are a very bad way of determing a player's ratings.

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 2003-04 Regular Season Rebounds Per 48 Minutes
               Player                                 G REB RP48
  1. Erick Dampier (Golden State Warriors)          74 887 17.7
  2. Kevin Garnett (Minnesota Timberwolves)       82 1,139 16.9
  3. Tim Duncan (San Antonio Spurs)                   69 859 16.3
  4. Marcus Camby (Denver Nuggets)                  72 727 16.1
  5. Carlos Boozer (Cleveland Cavaliers)             75 857 15.9
  6. Ben Wallace (Detroit Pistons)                        81 1,006 15.8
  7. David West (New Orleans Hornets)                71 297 15.3
  7. Reggie Evans (Seattle SuperSonics)              75 408 15.3
  9. Shaquille O'Neal (Los Angeles Lakers)           67 769 15.0
  10. Jeff Foster (Indiana Pacers)                        82 610 14.9
  10. Chris Mihm (Boston Celtics)                        76 413 14.9
  12. Jamaal Magloire (New Orleans Hornets)       82 847 14.6
  13. Nazr Mohammed (New York Knicks)            80 474 14.1
  14. Chris Andersen (Denver Nuggets)               71 298 13.9
  15. Joe Smith (Milwaukee Bucks)                     76 643 13.7
  15. Samuel Dalembert (Philadelphia 76ers)       82 626 13.7
  17. Brad Miller (Sacramento Kings)                  72 743 13.6
  18. Jermaine O'Neal (Indiana Pacers)               78 778 13.4
  18. Robert Traylor (New Orleans Hornets)         71 262 13.4
  20. Kenny Thomas (Philadelphia 76ers)            74 750 13.3


I don't think those are the 20 top-rebounders in the league (specially not in that order). 48-minute stats are useful to see how does a player uses his minutes but not to measure a player's habilites to rebound or assist.[/code]