rosters from scratch-progress (update - pistons vs ny stats)

[RandomSurge]

This was originally a topic for a experiment with primacy ratings....I'm now using it it to post results using a roster patch I'm working on from scratch....scroll down

shaq shot the ball 5 times....all in the first half

he was not given the ball once in the second half....actually yeah he was....at the 3 point line...then he proceeded to pass it to karl in the post

payton, fisher and fox isolated what must have been like 10 times each....and payton, fisher, kobe and fox (basically any guard/forward that got any minutes and can shoot 3's) took 3's with guys right in their face, early in the shot clock while not even looking to pass to shaq or anyone else

this is great...specially since the play book was set at INSIDE triangle

?????????

help?

should I just give up and play knowing that the computer is never going to play basketball the right way and that if I play the right way I'm just going to kill it every time?

[Millennium]

Have you tried making Shaq 0 and everyone else 100? Maybe is it reversed like a couple of the sliders are?

[elwudl]

The primacy is not only affected by the rating for primay as what I experienced. Also the off-awareness rating and the 3pt, fg and inside scoring rating can affect how often a player shoots. And another important point is the style the players have, in other words the score-area. Maybe I'm wrong, but that is what I have noticed.

[RandomSurge]

it seems that 3 pt shooting overrides everything...that's for sure

even if the rating isn't that high

[RandomSurge]

Have you tried making Shaq 0 and everyone else 100? Maybe is it reversed like a couple of the sliders are?

I thought of that as well...I'll try it

[Carmo]

I think that the primacy rating is mainly for the simulation of games. Not for the in game.

[Andrew]

Primacy ratings affect gameplay too.

[RandomSurge]

well, nothing's worked

last 5 games I've played against the lakers...shaq didn't go to the line ONCE

think about how ridiculous that is

he's averaged 6 shots attempts per game

while payton has averaged 11 3's per game

think about that

this is even with primacy on payton at 0...and with set plays set at the triangle

ridiculous

I've set the primacy ratings back to the originals so as to not mess with simulated play once I start my new franchise

but this is some big time garbage

[fish23]

i don't seem to have that extreme of a problem.

although shaq doesn't get fouled as much as he does in real life when i play against the lakers, he does get fouled. in general, the computer player doesn't seem to get a lot of the calls (no matter what team).

whenever i play the lakers, some games shaq doesn't get too many touches, but sometimes he gets the most. either shaq or kobe will usually dominate.

what settings do you play with? what rosters and sliders?

[captainkidlat]

I haven't played a game where the opponent's power forward or center lead their team in scoring, it's either the guards or the small forward. It's the same whether I play a crappy team or not.

[RandomSurge]

I don't even care about stats

is that the cpu simply wastes possessions by taking 3's with a defender in their face early in the shot clock

you do that in real life and you get benched...I mean, the fact that it's such a prominent part of the game is RETARDED

2 straight possession of this and it's a potential 6 point swing...that's a lot

every possession counts and it's frustrating to watch the cpu shoot itself in the foot over and over

ever notice how scottie pippen shoots an insane amount of 3's in this game? I put this scoring area the same as the big men and his 3 rating is crap (he's never been that good at shooting....specially 3's)...I just don't get it

If you take 15 contested 3's in a game you're losing the game for your team...plain and simple

WACK

[Dave C.]

I don't even care about stats

ever notice how scottie pippen shoots an insane amount of 3's in this game? I put this scoring area the same as the big men and his 3 rating is crap (he's never been that good at shooting....specially 3's)...I just don't get it

WACK

I think if u just change the score area number (1-9) in the dbf it won't have an effect.They will be created by the 2pt , 3pt and inside scoring rating everytime .

But i have a solution for too much 3pt attempts (altough its a lousy one) go to the dbf and give the player who makes too much 3pt attempts a shorter shooting range (22 feet) . They now shoot only 3's if they're wide open for a longer time.

[DLirag]

What difficulty level?

[RandomSurge]

Superstar

I've found it to be a little better by messing with sliders

I have the cpu inside and medium range shooting at like 45 I think...

and outside to 36-37...

they won't jack up as many 3's...though they still do, regardless if there's a player in their face or not

I've gotten the spurs to play through timmy more

lakers and minnie still play mostly through their guards, though...nothing I can do about it

thing is...now I'm blowing the computer out because they can't rely on 3's, and they can't make a shot on me any other way really....I'm too good defensively

I've set primacies back to normal, though I have increased shaq's primacy rating to 99...you can get away with doing that with a big man

do that with a point, and he'll shot it every single time early in the shot clock

[ca_10]

Have you tried making Shaq 0 and everyone else 100? Maybe is it reversed like a couple of the sliders are?

whoa! sorry if this is off-topic... just point me to the right thread if ever... but... some of the sliders are reversed?!? which ones?

thanks!

ca_10

[elwudl]

He wrote "maybe" muchacho! Normally none of the sliders are reversed!

[- Ace -]

Changing the team offensive plays for the appropriate play such as (sideline triangle) will make Shaq shoot the ball more frequently. The latest NLSC rosters already have the plays correctly selected, so when I play against the lakers, the ball goes inside to shaq more frequently.

[ca_10]

Neusorger --> ok!

- Ace - --> do u have list of plays that teams use? and what version of the roster did the play thing update start?

tnx!

[- Ace -]

The list of all the team plays is in the 2004 Roster patch forum. Don't have the exact location.

I use Andrew's latest roster patch. The team plays are already loaded up with the roster patch so you don't have to bother changing the team plays in the offensive plays screen.

[- Ace -]

team plays can be found here:

http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~nbalive/ph ... hp?t=12640

[SKempSonics]

Was he guarded heavily? Maybe because his primacy was 100, everybody on the other team was putting a lot more emphasis on guarding shaq then everybody else, thus, leaving them open for those threes. ??

[elwudl]

Yeah SKempSonics, I realized something like that. When you let your man defend the opponents "auto" with "auto" pressure they normally guard men with higher primacy more heavily than others.

[RandomSurge]

the guarded heavily theory works...except you basically have to leave a player wide open for the team to give him the ball in the post at times

some times you can leave him wide open and they still won't give him the ball

another thing is that normally, playing vs the spurs you'd want to double team TD...but I find myself not doing so just so that they keep giving him the ball and so that he can be effective

if he's being TOO effective, I'll start double teaming

I've started my own rosters from scratch, I have my own formulas for ratings and everything...it has worked like a charm

I played indiana with the heat and jermaine o'neal shot the ball 23 times

I FINALLY got tinsley and artest to stop taking so many damn 3's and al harrington is a beast in the post...

reggie was taking the bulk of the 3's, jermaine was getting the ball in the post, artest was going inside and took only a couple of 3's and 1 was wide open and the other one was somewhat contested...but he takes those in real life...as long as he's not taking 30 3's, I'm cool

And tinsley was looking to pass instead of looking to score every time which was a problem before...

and yes of course I have all the team sets already set in the dbf file...

I'm getting realistic numbers across the board with rating system and sliders

I've done the spurs, knicks, miami, sacramento, and indiana up to this point...completely redone...

what's surprised me the most is that the teams overall ratings have turned out to be amazingly accurate after I was done edidting all the players

[elwudl]

I don't know if it is right what I write here. But I have tweaked the rosters for my own, too. And what I realized about the Team-Overall was, that is does mainly belong to the overall-ratings of the starting 5.

[atlplayboy23]

post some of your team ratings so i can check them out.